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In Reply to: What Makes SET Amps Tick? posted by PaulF70 on May 16, 2025 at 18:19:22:
More seriously the real question is 'how much better can it get?'
To sort out what SETs do and what they don't do, the first thing, IMO/IME is to compare them to other amps. To do that with PP tube amps you really need to level the playing field.
PushPull tube amps have output transformers too and to a lesser degree they are sensitive to how much power the transformer is asked to pass. SET output transformers are really sensitive; PP outputs a bit less so.
So to level the playing field so you can hear what the difference really is, you have to do one or more of several things.
You could have the PP amp use the same power tubes as the SET. Or you could simply have the PP amp be rated the same power. Its also helpful to use the same quality of parts and construction technique.
I've found those things are difficult! Most PP amps make a lot more power; PP amps based on DHY (Directly Heated Triodes) are rare. Low power PP amps of good quality are rare too. This caused me to build both types.
What I found is SETs have no musical advantage at all. If you have a competent PP amp of the same power or using the same power tubes, the so-called advantage of SETs is simply erased. IOW, the 'magic' is still there in lower powered tube amps if they are built well.
But it gets better. There are class D amps that can take on SETs just as easily. I really don't think there's any advantage to SETs at all and the reasons they went away 70-80 years ago are just as valid today as they were back then by any metric audiophiles value.
So IMO this is really just about the small sample size SET lovers have heard and nothing else.
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Follow Ups
- If they work properly they don't tick. - Ralph 05/20/2513:00:24 05/20/25 (37)
- Blameless amplifiers... - cellailuca 03:13:54 06/21/25 (0)
- RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - PaulF70 17:57:55 05/20/25 (35)
- RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - Ralph 08:44:34 05/21/25 (24)
- RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - morricab 11:56:30 05/21/25 (21)
- Apparently you and he don't know the difference between class B and C nt - Ralph 12:50:33 05/21/25 (20)
- Self defense - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 16:41:06 05/21/25 (19)
- RE: Self defense - Ralph 09:46:00 05/22/25 (18)
- Crossing over - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 13:03:24 05/24/25 (17)
- RE: Crossing over - Ralph 10:26:50 05/27/25 (15)
- RE: Crossing over - PaulF70 09:42:38 05/28/25 (14)
- No, that's not the same. - Ralph 10:40:39 05/28/25 (13)
- RE: No, that's not the same. - PaulF70 19:56:13 05/28/25 (12)
- RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - Ralph 08:25:58 05/29/25 (11)
- RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - PaulF70 09:12:56 05/30/25 (10)
- RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - PaulF70 16:49:21 06/2/25 (5)
- RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - morricab 23:27:10 06/2/25 (4)
- RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - PaulF70 21:16:27 06/3/25 (3)
- Time for some feedback - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 01:11:08 06/4/25 (2)
- The only issue here is what is the actual class of operation. - Ralph 08:53:13 06/23/25 (0)
- RE: Time for some feedback - morricab 07:48:44 06/5/25 (0)
- RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - morricab 12:11:35 06/1/25 (3)
- RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - PaulF70 17:28:17 06/4/25 (1)
- RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - morricab 07:49:38 06/5/25 (0)
- Clearly you're not in a position to know. nt - Ralph 07:46:14 06/3/25 (0)
- RE: Crossing over - PaulF70 08:47:33 05/25/25 (0)
- RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - PaulF70 11:48:28 05/21/25 (1)
- RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - Ralph 12:48:52 05/21/25 (0)
- RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - morricab 00:41:22 05/21/25 (9)
- RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - PaulF70 13:08:25 05/21/25 (4)
- I doubt that is due to crossover distortion - Ralph 13:05:45 05/22/25 (0)
- RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - morricab 08:25:12 05/22/25 (2)
- RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - PaulF70 09:48:39 05/28/25 (0)
- Yes, its not transformer insulation! - Ralph 13:02:59 05/22/25 (0)
- Ever consider writing novels? - Ralph 08:45:46 05/21/25 (3)
- RE: Ever consider writing novels? - morricab 12:01:13 05/21/25 (2)
- So please explain what class C is - Ralph 12:51:45 05/21/25 (1)
- RE: So please explain what class C is - morricab 06:32:40 05/22/25 (0)