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This is in response to Jackmans thread below regarding his giving up his AVA Gear in order to use Bolder Cables Modified Panasonic XR-SA45.The Modified unit is on my list for things this year.Info can be found here at the Bolder BB.
http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/viewforum.php?f=11&sid=44a07f9634f3a1778c8bba19c666449f
In response to this post I thought I would state why the unit is worth buying in just the stock form.The post was made at AVS for someone wanting to drive Maggies.
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/amp/messages/38049.html
-------------------------------------------------why I tout the Panny unit are several.
It is low cost
Has enough power for most real world speakers
It's small footprint
It can also be tweeked for better performance.
Last the sound you get from using it in just the stock version is more than acceptable.I have had several amps in the past and more likely than not will have more in the future. I also realise there are many other good alternatives out there. But for myself it fits and sounds nice for a sub $1000 unit. People are replaceing systems costing 5-15X what the thing goes for.So it is just not my own experience.
For those wondering about Power,the unit provides 100w for each channel. Most Maggies do not have an Imp. of 4ohms ,but 5ohms as far as I was aware of which make them an unusual resistive load. I loved my Maggies ,but found they were so Finickey for system matching so I searched for an alternative that gives me what the Maggies use to and more. That is not to say I do not like them because I do in a proper room and appropriate setup. Magnepans greatest strength are their transparency which I love. Innersounds are another speaker I'd like to hear.
There are not many people that have negative experiences with the Panasonic unit and I also was skeptical about using it before I bought one. Other people in Audio that are dealers and have exotics I have spoken to are trying them also with the results being positive. Are they better than what the other things they are using ?In alot of cases NO! But the price to performance ratio is quite large.
Are there better setups? For sure there are! But in the sub $1K level there are few I would consider.B&K,Rotel and Sunfire I would consider. I like a few things using my Passive setup more,but the price and tradeoffs are there also.
I have always maintained that it will not be the golden fix for every system or speakers as nothing will be. But as of right now I think it's the best bang for the buck component in audio.Sharp has a new line of 1-bit units coming out that might replace the Panasonic as being the best sub $1K unit,but shall also cost double it's price.
For low cost amps I also like Rotel. I have heard good things about Carver\Sunfire new offererings also which are said to drive Maggies well. So if I were to say the Panasonic was the last word in use with the Maggies that would be going to far,but it is perhaps the lowest cost solution one could use.Other amps higher priced I'd love to have or tey are,Odyssey,CODA,Parasound JC-1,Rowlands,Bolders and Plinius if I could find them at an affordable price when I start looking again.All should be capable of driving Magnepans.
I used a modified B&K when I had my Magnepans and lived happily with that matchup for 4yrs..
I do not tout everything Panasonic BTW. I purchased a Panasonic DVD Changer over the holiday and it does not perform on Redbook CD's as my 15yr. Old Phillips CDP. I like the convenience of using the Panasonic DVD,but for critical listening I prefer the Phillips.
Maggies love Silver BTW.
Just thinking!
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Topic - Why Tout the Panasonic Digital Amps? - NEAR SOTA 11:17:42 01/24/04 (128)
- Can't wait until Spectron comes out with the Musician III D - gme109 18:07:16 01/26/04 (18)
- Apples and oranges... - kuribo 00:46:09 01/27/04 (12)
- Not true - gme109 14:44:56 01/27/04 (0)
- Re: Apples and oranges... - gme109 07:21:23 01/27/04 (10)
- Re: Apples and oranges... - Gmood1 08:45:44 01/27/04 (9)
- Apples and oranges indeed... - kuribo 15:28:14 01/27/04 (8)
- Re: Apples and oranges indeed... - Gmood1 16:56:08 01/27/04 (0)
- Once again I don't think you're right - gme109 15:48:29 01/27/04 (6)
- Please talk with John, the owner, designer, of Spectron. He will set you straight. And by the way... - kuribo 17:15:12 01/27/04 (5)
- Re: Please talk with John, the owner, designer, of Spectron. He will set you straight. And by the way... - gme109 21:00:49 01/27/04 (4)
- Something is very odd here! - cawson@onetel.net.uk 16:15:00 01/31/04 (0)
- The last time I talked to John, about 6 months ago, - kuribo 21:40:35 01/27/04 (2)
- Talked to John, here's the scoop - gme109 16:23:18 01/28/04 (1)
- Thanks for chasing that down... - kuribo 20:31:34 01/28/04 (0)
- Re: Can't wait until Spectron comes out with the Musician III D - Vinylrube-esque 19:35:51 01/26/04 (4)
- Nobody has compared to spectron with digital inputs... - longtimequadowner 20:05:16 01/26/04 (3)
- Re: Nobody has compared to spectron with digital inputs... - gme109 23:01:24 01/26/04 (2)
- Re: Nobody has compared to spectron with digital inputs... - stillWater 03:18:11 01/27/04 (0)
- Yup, I'm not surprised - longtimequadowner 23:28:35 01/26/04 (0)
- Is It the XR25 or XR45? - Todd Krieger 22:27:35 01/25/04 (1)
- I use the 45.nt - NEAR SOTA 22:44:00 01/25/04 (0)
- Just a few words! - NEAR SOTA 17:19:41 01/25/04 (0)
- WOW! Glad I gave people something to talk about!nt - NEAR SOTA 16:30:02 01/25/04 (4)
- I'm not, I wish I could have my Sunday back! (nt) - J North 16:45:16 01/25/04 (1)
- Sunday in Vancouver: rock 101.1 psychadellic, the beat 94.5 oldschool!!! - longtimequadowner 16:52:06 01/25/04 (0)
- Re: WOW! Glad I gave people something to talk about!nt - Gmood1 16:37:44 01/25/04 (1)
- Re: WOW! Glad I gave people something to talk about!nt - NEAR SOTA 18:34:12 01/25/04 (0)
- Why indeed? - Tyson 14:56:34 01/25/04 (36)
- Re: Why indeed? - Greg T 07:13:16 01/26/04 (2)
- You my friend, are a PRINCE - longtimequadowner 13:07:37 01/26/04 (1)
- Re: You my friend, are a PRINCE - Greg T 16:48:31 01/26/04 (0)
- Re: Why indeed? - jb0194 21:41:40 01/25/04 (0)
- Re: Why indeed? - Vinylrube-esque 17:33:30 01/25/04 (28)
- Re: Why indeed? - Gmood1 18:32:08 01/25/04 (0)
- Are you disagreeing with his analysis of the stock Panny? - J North 17:45:46 01/25/04 (26)
- Re: Are you disagreeing with his analysis of the stock Panny? - Vinylrube-esque 18:58:39 01/25/04 (25)
- Re: Are you disagreeing with his analysis of the stock Panny? - J North 19:33:19 01/25/04 (0)
- Re: Are you disagreeing with his analysis of the stock Panny? - J North 19:29:51 01/25/04 (23)
- Re: Are you disagreeing with his analysis of the stock Panny? - Greg T 06:42:58 01/26/04 (22)
- Looks like you have plenty of experience! - NEAR SOTA 09:00:38 01/26/04 (21)
- Re: Looks like you have plenty of experience! - Greg T 10:42:52 01/26/04 (20)
- Re: Looks like you have plenty of experience! - stillWater 03:34:24 01/27/04 (0)
- Re: Looks like you have plenty of experience! - Gmood1 11:30:14 01/26/04 (18)
- Re: Looks like you have plenty of experience! - Vinylrube-esque 16:05:56 01/26/04 (17)
- Re: Looks like you have plenty of experience! - Gmood1 17:03:17 01/26/04 (16)
- You are getting rid of electrical fields! - NEAR SOTA 17:28:25 01/26/04 (15)
- Re: You are getting rid of electrical fields! - Gmood1 17:47:33 01/26/04 (14)
- Re: You are getting rid of electrical fields! - Vinylrube-esque 19:30:23 01/26/04 (13)
- Re: You are getting rid of electrical fields! - Gmood1 19:58:55 01/26/04 (12)
- They do not have the same power supplies - J North 21:00:06 01/26/04 (11)
- Please tell us what the difference is. NT - Gmood1 21:10:07 01/26/04 (10)
- Re: Please tell us what the difference is. - Gmood1 21:18:42 01/26/04 (9)
- Re: Please tell us what the difference is. - J North 21:39:59 01/26/04 (8)
- Re: Please tell us what the difference is. - Gmood1 21:55:14 01/26/04 (7)
- Re: Please tell us what the difference is. - GregT 06:34:33 01/27/04 (6)
- Re: Please tell us what the difference is. - Gmood1 07:56:15 01/27/04 (5)
- Re: Please tell us what the difference is. - Greg T 09:23:58 01/27/04 (4)
- Re: Please tell us what the difference is. - Gmood1 09:51:41 01/27/04 (3)
- Re: Please tell us what the difference is. - Greg T 04:50:45 01/28/04 (1)
- Re: Please tell us what the difference is. - Gmood1 06:10:34 01/28/04 (0)
- Re: Please tell us what the difference is. - NEAR SOTA 11:30:23 01/27/04 (0)
- Re: Why indeed? - J North 15:04:15 01/25/04 (2)
- Re: Why indeed? - Tyson 15:11:19 01/25/04 (1)
- Re: Why indeed? - J North 15:51:04 01/25/04 (0)
- Re: Why Tout the Panasonic Digital Amps? - Lynn 22:41:43 01/24/04 (29)
- Looks Like We Need a Shootout... - Todd Krieger 14:22:56 01/25/04 (1)
- Re: Looks Like We Need a Shootout... - J North 14:34:33 01/25/04 (0)
- Great Post!!!!! - Gmood1 08:51:51 01/25/04 (26)
- Second that... - longtimequadowner 12:27:20 01/25/04 (5)
- Please get it right - 3 weeks 24/7 - 500 hours - J North 13:40:57 01/25/04 (4)
- Re: Please get it right - 3 weeks 24/7 - 500 hours - longtimequadowner 14:33:26 01/25/04 (3)
- happy . . . - J North 14:40:33 01/25/04 (2)
- Yes, I'm working on it - longtimequadowner 15:08:31 01/25/04 (1)
- Spendor back in Vancouver!! - J North 15:16:16 01/25/04 (0)
- Re: Great Post!!!!! - J North 08:54:52 01/25/04 (19)
- Re: Great Post!!!!! - RMcCoy 09:07:09 01/25/04 (18)
- Re: Great Post!!!!! - J North 09:24:56 01/25/04 (17)
- Re: Great Post!!!!! - Lynn 10:19:42 01/25/04 (16)
- Re: Great Post!!!!! - J North 11:12:37 01/25/04 (0)
- Re: Great Post!!!!! - Gmood1 10:54:54 01/25/04 (14)
- Re: Great Post!!!!! - stillWater 16:49:16 01/25/04 (10)
- Ummmm, no you can not. (nt) - J North 16:57:28 01/25/04 (9)
- Re: Ummmm, no you can not. (nt) - Vinylrube-esque 19:04:52 01/25/04 (8)
- Re: Ummmm, no you can not. (nt) - stillWater 19:51:08 01/25/04 (0)
- Re: Ummmm, no you can not. (nt) - J North 19:35:24 01/25/04 (6)
- Re: Ummmm, no you can not. (nt) - Vinylrube-esque 20:15:50 01/25/04 (5)
- Please check your facts . . . - J North 20:30:15 01/25/04 (4)
- Re: Please check your facts . . . - Vinylrube-esque 21:05:09 01/25/04 (3)
- Re: Please check your facts . . . - J North 21:14:31 01/25/04 (2)
- Re: Please check your facts . . . - Vinylrube-esque 21:17:16 01/25/04 (1)
- Re: Please check your facts . . . - J North 21:31:43 01/25/04 (0)
- Re: Great Post!!!!! - J North 11:15:09 01/25/04 (2)
- Re: Great Post!!!!! - Gmood1 11:39:41 01/25/04 (1)
- Re: Great Post!!!!! - J North 13:49:00 01/25/04 (0)
- My friend is trying out Panny and said the following - Brad V 20:58:49 01/24/04 (1)
- Re: My friend is trying out Panny and said the following - stillWater 12:27:56 01/25/04 (0)
- Re: Why Tout the Panasonic Digital Amps? - Vinylrube-esque 19:44:51 01/24/04 (4)
- Finest CD play back under $4K? - J North 20:25:56 01/24/04 (3)
- Re: Finest CD play back under $4K? - Vinylrube-esque 22:04:34 01/24/04 (2)
- Re: Finest CD play back under $4K? - J North 08:36:04 01/25/04 (0)
- Re: Finest CD play back under $4K? - J North 08:07:16 01/25/04 (0)
- A viscious rumor . . . - J North 17:36:39 01/24/04 (21)
- Really? - longtimequadowner 18:28:27 01/24/04 (20)
- Re: Really? - Crazy Dave 08:47:16 01/25/04 (0)
- Really . . . - J North 20:03:43 01/24/04 (18)
- Dont worry J North - RooX 09:16:14 01/25/04 (17)
- Re: Dont worry J North - Vinylrube-esque 10:49:30 01/25/04 (16)
- Re: Dont worry J North - Gmood1 11:16:12 01/25/04 (12)
- Re: Dont worry J North - Vinylrube-esque 11:37:28 01/25/04 (0)
- Re: Dont worry J North - Vinylrube-esque 11:36:28 01/25/04 (10)
- Have to disagree with that theory . . . - J North 14:23:06 01/25/04 (0)
- Dont worry J North - RooX 13:16:38 01/25/04 (8)
- Re: Dont worry J North - Gmood1 14:05:06 01/25/04 (7)
- analog cell phone - RooX 17:30:40 01/25/04 (0)
- He's happy, you are happy, so leave it at that! - J North 14:31:00 01/25/04 (4)
- I have no problem with that ! - Gmood1 15:04:32 01/25/04 (3)
- Great! - J North 15:40:45 01/25/04 (2)
- Re: Great! - Gmood1 16:27:03 01/25/04 (1)
- Ditto :>) (nt) - J North 16:40:37 01/25/04 (0)
- Can you hear me now...Can you hear me now!!! - Gmood1 14:13:28 01/25/04 (0)
- Re: Dont worry J North - J North 10:55:28 01/25/04 (2)
- Re: Dont worry J North - Vinylrube-esque 11:17:59 01/25/04 (1)
- Re: Dont worry J North - J North 13:57:06 01/25/04 (0)
- Re: Why Tout the Panasonic Digital Amps? - jackman 13:48:22 01/24/04 (4)
- Re: Why Tout the Panasonic Digital Amps? - stillWater 19:46:11 01/24/04 (2)
- Re: Why Tout the Panasonic Digital Amps? - jackman 05:57:41 01/25/04 (1)
- Re: Why Tout the Panasonic Digital Amps? - stillWater 06:50:11 01/25/04 (0)
- Re: Why Tout the Panasonic Digital Amps? - smargo 16:08:19 01/24/04 (0)