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1: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Large Format Panel Type Speakers and Image SizeIMO (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2023-04-04, 23:31:26 (75.185.213.128)
I would suggest you stick to your plan to get the model 30. Whether you go there or stick to the 20.7, I think your amp is a limiting factor. (1) The VTLs do not do kt120s or kt150 which I think are m .......
2: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Large Format Panel Type Speakers and Image Size (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2023-04-01, 09:12:07 (75.185.213.128)
The 3 way ribbon Maggies do a better job of producing full sized images without exaggerating images of close miked voices or instruments. It is the narrow midrange and ribbon tweeter. The crossover on .......
3: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: I have a problem with LRS ...playing too loud. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2020-01-31, 22:48:59 (71.79.97.125)
I noticed that with the T IV with the original mids. The detail swallowing at low levels always pushed me to play louder. I got into the habit of listening with an SPL meter set on "peak" to make sure .......
4: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Well ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2020-01-31, 04:45:12 (71.79.97.125)
The big Macs are a good match, just not very cost effective. Just remember that power does not rise with lower load on Macs because of the autoformer output. Hence If you need over 300W then you need .......
5: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: New Member Introduction & Amp Question (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2020-01-29, 13:59:34 (71.79.97.125)
Since you have a really good matching amp in hand, attention can shift to placement. Experiment as broadly as you can with the placement scheme including swapping the front wall. Avoiding an imbalanc .......
6: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: What do you think of this idea? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2020-01-25, 12:36:35 (71.79.97.125)
The lower cost Class D amps have too little storage capacitance in the power supplies so don't really hold their specs continuously. Rowland fills their case with capacitors. My tiny old NuForce amps, .......
7: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Open baffle planar line array and servo subs (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2020-01-20, 05:04:13 (71.79.97.125)
Have you tried to play the ribbon/Neo10 arrays on their own with a passive XO? Or an analog line level and a well done high end DAC or analog source? If the room is rectangular, then the positioning C .......
8: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: How far out is optimal? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2020-01-19, 11:31:11 (71.79.97.125)
You can place the furniture behind the speakers - the space does not need to be empty. Just avoid cabinets with tall panels in the critical paths of backwave radiation. .......
9: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Single ended amplifier for Stacked ESL 57? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2020-01-19, 11:26:51 (71.79.97.125)
There are Ming Da SET amps with 805 transmission tubes that are fairly low cost. They have 40W and can do 50W with substantial distortion (mostly 2nd order). Lampizator in Poland has mod plans for it, .......
10: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 1 vs 2 (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2020-01-18, 21:49:02 (71.79.97.125)
This could be shipping damage that bent the frame so that the Mylar is loose and would be wrinkled. But it looks like a production problem. Something you would see first workday after new year's. If .......
11: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Magnepan 3.6 - who upgrades them? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2020-01-12, 09:11:20 (71.79.97.125)
Did you swap the weak midrange fuse to make sure it isn't a problem? .......
12: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Magnepan 3.6 - who upgrades them? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2020-01-11, 11:00:57 (71.79.97.125)
Your dip sounds like a busted midrange on the low output speaker - need to track down the problem. As 66mgb says, biamping with a good external crossover will be a great improvement .......
13: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: A Wing on a Rooze (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2020-01-11, 10:58:19 (71.79.97.125)
Good idea, well done. Great thing to have the room for it. I used an L wing to block the rear wave from leaking to the front, and to avoid direct radiation of the tweeter from reaching the MLP I let .......
14: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: LRS at low volume? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2020-01-10, 21:00:30 (71.79.97.125)
Not a great improvement in the LRS vs. older maggies on the low volume performance. The 3.7i definitely improves on the 3.6 in this regard. But it is obvious that below a certain level stuff just disa .......
15: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: dipole sub Diy (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2020-01-09, 22:28:24 (71.79.97.125)
With you, the measurements mean little if you measure things that are musically irrelevant and ignore things that are important. DACs are not that hard to do well, just get expensive. So if you can ba .......
16: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Frustrating. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2020-01-07, 23:28:03 (71.79.97.125)
The 1.7i should do as you expect. The same mods you did to the LRS will be more impressive in results when done to the 1.7i. SS drive would help the bottom end and dynamics. Well, unless your tube amp .......
17: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Hey, we're famous! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2020-01-06, 23:39:31 (71.79.97.125)
The bass panel has 8 6.5" woofers per channel. That is equivalent to an 18" woofer in area. It would be no surprise that the relatively small panel can kick in the bass. The DSP produces compensation .......
18: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: RE Larger Maggies -- Thx, Josh; One More . . . (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2020-01-05, 14:05:17 (71.79.97.125)
I think we are there. But you can pick up an older Sound Labs and send it in for refurb with fresh panels. Will cost you a bunch but far less than a double pair of 45 degree speakers. But I doubt you .......
19: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: RE Larger Maggies -- Thx, Josh; One More . . . (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2020-01-05, 12:55:22 (71.79.97.125)
The T IVa does have a clear difference in character going from the pristine ribbon to a thicker sounding midrange. In the predecessor T IV it is substantially worse. The initial listening to my T IV w .......
20: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Hey, we're famous! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2020-01-05, 12:18:09 (71.79.97.125)
Hence the Crown 5002 for the bass panels in my setup. No clipping. And with the panels braced then to rattles either. And you can mindlessly EQ your bass into dance club levels. .......
21: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Maggies shipped out (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2020-01-05, 12:07:35 (71.79.97.125)
Great box construction. Perhaps you want to build speakers? How about an OB woofer with multiple high Xmax small woofers? .......
22: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Frustrating. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2020-01-04, 23:31:27 (71.79.97.125)
With your careful mods, and ample power, I expect the differences between the LRS and 1.7i would be more pronounced in your room than at the dealer's. It does not just come down to image height. It is .......
23: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Hey, we're famous! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2020-01-04, 23:22:46 (71.79.97.125)
That coincides with my suspicion that the huge bass driver produces too large a dispersion in arrival times that makes the large maggie's bass sound limited in transient response. I dealt with it in t .......
24: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: cast your vote for "planar of the decade" (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-12-31, 11:29:49 (71.79.97.125)
30.7 for breaking out of the traditional limitations of maggies and really taking on the best possible sound challenge. .......
25: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Maggie placement redux (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-12-31, 11:27:50 (71.79.97.125)
There are other placement schemes like the "Limage" and "Rooze" setups that you should check out and try in your setup to determine if that is a direction you can, or want to follow. Both approaches p .......
26: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: WAF, listening habits, and other stuff (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-12-31, 11:23:46 (71.79.97.125)
Still looking for someone who built line arrays from the Chinese BG Neo knockoffs and posted results and hopefully comparison to a similar Neo8 project. .......
27: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: WAF, listening habits, and other stuff (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-12-31, 00:51:57 (71.79.97.125)
The 20.7 is 1st order, the T IVa is 2nd and 3rd. The midrange is much better in the 20.7 in any aspect you can imagine. My Neo8 mids are arguably better on some aspects of dynamics. The TIV and TIVa m .......
28: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: "a lot of people recommend bi-amping the 20.1's" ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-12-28, 15:55:49 (71.79.97.125)
That is definitely the way to go. Active Biamping will solve your amplifier stress problem and give you a stronger bass and less tipped up tonal balance. Measurements from the German Audio magazine sh .......
29: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: I think Magnepan should build a Double Dipole for the 3.xx series (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-12-28, 15:50:42 (71.79.97.125)
The DSP amp and bass units will likely sell at a higher price point than the 3.7i. So it will be available as Wendell suggests, but I doubt that many will fork up the money. Magnepan may be able to se .......
30: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: WAF, listening habits, and other stuff (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-12-28, 15:44:33 (71.79.97.125)
Yes, but the high pass is an octave above that, and in the TIV the bass LP was lower yet. .......
31: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: WAF, listening habits, and other stuff (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-12-28, 13:14:02 (71.79.97.125)
I think the main limitation is real estate for the millennial. Gen X is 30-35% smaller than boomers. So that decline in sales is obvious in its cause. But the big potential is Millennials, which are 1 .......
32: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Chicago Area Magnepan Dealer? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-12-25, 16:46:52 (71.79.97.125)
So sad to see Audio Consultants disappear. Saw so many great things in their Northland Chicago stores in the early 80s and in 1990. Including my first impression of maggies. .......
33: Planar Speaker Asylum, Have a very very merry ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-12-25, 01:31:15 (71.79.97.125)
Then wait till the eggnog wears off before you turn the system on. It is the solstice celebration of increasing daylight to come... .......
34: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: China? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-12-21, 02:00:03 (71.79.97.125)
China labor force entry age population 20-24, retirement age group 50 -55 women + 60-65 men, net additions (over 5 year period), millions Year Entry, Retirees, net add 2010 130 , 68 , 62 2015 106 .......
35: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: If it's that good, seems like big Maggie days are numbered. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-12-20, 20:43:43 (71.79.97.125)
As Josh said, it is great for the intended smaller room with closer listening distance. The Barn Door original version bass panel can output more and perform well WITHOUT DSP, and without an extra amp .......
36: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Yeah, like ... NO: the Aegir isn't rate for bridged into 4 ohm (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-12-16, 15:32:47 (71.79.97.125)
Interesting that they OK'd bridging into a 4 ohm speaker yet didn't post a power spec. .......
37: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 30.7 For Condo's at Quintessence Audio in Chicago: TitaniumTroy version (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-12-16, 15:27:27 (71.79.97.125)
You can place the speakers close to the sidewalls, it should be ok. if you have first reflection problems then you can apply some treatment to the wall at that point. The location of the woofer secti .......
38: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: what would upgrading from the LRS to a 20.7 get me ? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-12-15, 20:45:45 (71.79.97.125)
The first thing for me is that you get a full length line source with its superior rendition of a large soundstage and full size images. Then you have a much better tweeter to give very fine detail a .......
39: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: well I know these trials aren't for naming the product -but that ain't no where near a 30.7 (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-12-15, 20:09:28 (71.79.97.125)
Considering that it is essentially all the components of a 30.7 and a DSP and I assume an amp, then it is likely to cost about the same as a 30.7. In the demo of the 30.7 I only had a short chance to .......
40: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: What is in an audio name? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-12-08, 20:10:04 (71.79.97.125)
Maggie Ribbons have a suspension from the sides with little elastomer dots or semicircles to prevent the ribbon from twisting. It is crucial for the ribbon's ability to operate below 4khz .......
41: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Yeah, like ... NO: the Aegir isn't rate for bridged into 4 ohm (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-12-08, 20:03:25 (71.79.97.125)
Rather unwieldy with Tympanis, especially with the tops of the bass panels attached to the sidewalls with screwed in dowels. I just decided on a couple of rather hard to image recordings as the standa .......
42: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Yeah, like ... NO: the Aegir isn't rate for bridged into 4 ohm (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-12-05, 19:30:50 (71.79.97.125)
I am sure it is a case of compulsively pressing the red button with the "no touch" sign. .......
43: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: "and when I shut the sub off" ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-12-04, 16:34:50 (71.79.97.125)
I was doint the subs with an LR4 XO so they were time aligned at equidistant, but the phase damage on the bass panels in bandpass mode was too much to handle. Of course, DSP can be done so that you ca .......
44: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 20.7 sans sub (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-12-02, 19:19:36 (71.79.97.125)
Similar observation. with the TIV/Neo8. Once the panels were braced the Sub was unnecessary. I can't distinguich between the sub and the crossover as to what was doing damage, but the bass panels on t .......
45: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: well yeah if all rooms were the same, otherwise (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-12-01, 20:23:30 (71.79.97.125)
I think the max for that room is a 1.7 or 3.7. But it would require substantial diffusion to work. Otherwise, I would stick to a 0.7. But you would still want extensive diffusion even for that. Given .......
46: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Postive Feedback reviews the LRS (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-30, 11:28:33 (71.79.97.125)
Great review of the Schiit Aegir, and Emotiva XPA 1L amps. The speaker is getting attention as a part of the whole and is modded on after market DIY stands. But still a useful and glowing review. ::: .......
47: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Fair (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-29, 09:56:28 (71.79.97.125)
But your audience isn't there, they are at least 10 ft away for the closest ones. .......
48: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: New 30.7 for condos review (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-29, 09:53:44 (71.79.97.125)
Yes, I measured the T IV bass panels and there is still output at 10khz, though by no means flat up there. .......
49: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: where did I say that? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-28, 22:16:54 (71.79.97.125)
Not quite 120 db. But 115 is reference for orchestral range at row 10, I prefer a bit closer, even row 4. Bass hearing is very compressed, so we can tolerate somewhat more bass volume than elsewhere i .......
50: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: anyone running tubes on the LRS? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-26, 19:20:19 (71.79.97.125)
I got a friend to try out a Ming Da 805 based 50 watt triode amp on his Tympani IVa and he loved it despite running out of steam. He also liked it in biamp with a good SS amp on the bass, but he could .......
51: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Magnepans lack deep bass detail, power, dynamics and impact (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-25, 19:35:02 (71.79.97.125)
Most people try them with too little power and expect their straining power amps to provide both high output and dynamic contrasts when they are already exhausting their headroom. .......
52: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: My new quasi-ribbon 'Frankenpan' bass panels (2.6 bass panels) ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-25, 00:48:18 (71.79.97.125)
You are describing pretty much what you should expect for the foil mod. Did you notice less self noise? .......
53: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: try the resistors & placement (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-25, 00:41:18 (71.79.97.125)
Besides stiff vertical stands, the main tweak is bypassing the fuse and its holder. Second tweak is to desolder and take the internal wire into the connector tube along with the speaker cable (or pin .......
54: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: anyone running tubes on the LRS? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-25, 00:29:55 (71.79.97.125)
I am sure you don't need anyone's opinion and can just give it a try. Lots of people use Tube amps like the Rogue Cronus Magnum. .......
55: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: "30.7 for Condos" first review (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-25, 00:27:57 (71.79.97.125)
It says that it employs DSP, so I assume it has a line level processor box. From there, I don't know if it is biamped or single amped. I guess a plate amp is the other options. .......
56: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Dagogo: Reviews the LRS (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-21, 07:16:27 (71.79.97.125)
I was wondering why they were not showing up that way as many in demand products with waiting periods of months tend to have resellers of new items that were lightly used or not used at all. The revi .......
57: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: REW AutoEQ and RePhase (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-16, 02:51:30 (71.79.97.125)
I see. I was expecting something done through measurements, not simply undoing the phase distortion of the analog filters. It really worked great, your impulse response is great. The sharp filters you .......
58: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: First pair of Magnepan Tympani II's produced. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-15, 21:26:02 (71.79.97.125)
Too bad about the bad magnet board. But your handiwork looks great. .......
59: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: These were the same price (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-15, 12:44:42 (71.79.97.125)
They are always seperable. The Mid/tweeter panel hinges for my T IV were never installed. .......
60: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: New Maggie 30.7s - Magnepan Off on a Tangent? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-15, 12:36:46 (71.79.97.125)
That also goes against the grain of how the speakers are voiced and changes vetted by a listening panel. These fine tunings are expensive and not universally valued as having positive effects commensu .......
61: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: REW AutoEQ and RePhase (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-15, 12:28:59 (71.79.97.125)
Looks like you managed to get all the pieces to work together. The final results look great. I am surprised that the baseline phase behavior is so extreme. What did you put into your Marchand? No idea .......
62: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: First pair of Magnepan Tympani II's produced. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-15, 12:00:06 (71.79.97.125)
Great story. Do you have a pic of your finished project? Really cool to have that historic piece. .......
63: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: anyone know how to remove a MG 1.7 XO plate w/o it crumbling like a cookie? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-15, 11:43:19 (71.79.97.125)
I was thinking that the question is how is the supertweeter connected in the good speaker. And then where the break is in the bad one, since it does seem that the spertweeter has a disconnect somewher .......
64: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: "30.7 for Condos" first review (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-15, 11:24:50 (71.79.97.125)
This is solving a common problem for smaller places and for limited placement options. That the bass section is short enough to hide behind a sofa is a great plus compared to a giant panel. So far, pr .......
65: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: New Maggie 30.7s - Magnepan Off on a Tangent? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-15, 11:18:06 (71.79.97.125)
I think it was not a sell out at all, and less of a break with the tradition of adhering to the panel structure. Their alternative has been Neo magnets in a traditional panel. That never priced out we .......
66: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: These were the same price (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-11, 18:48:58 (71.79.97.125)
Far better deal .......
67: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Used Tympanis (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-10, 20:29:43 (71.79.97.125)
You can smell the mold in the picture. .......
68: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: "30.7s for condos" Magnepan ad in TAS? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-10, 20:27:33 (71.79.97.125)
I guess that would be the distributor's job. The can list the distributor though. That way there would be an easy link from the Magnepan website to the distributor's dealer page. .......
69: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Internal and external? Please explain. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-04, 04:05:27 (71.79.97.125)
External: The crossover box contains the low pass for the bass and a high pass for the mid and tweeter section. Internal Inside the panel, behind the connector plate and fabric is the low pass for th .......
70: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Not only that (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-03, 10:05:09 (71.79.97.125)
I got the Behringer for a short trial and returned it the next day. It was entirely unlistenable with noise, digital grunge and fuzz. It might be ok if you replace the entire I/O board. But that is a .......
71: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Impressive Rooze setup! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-03, 09:57:09 (71.79.97.125)
I guess my acoustic tile ceiling saved me this trouble with ceiling reflections, though I am not certain where they come from - 1st reflection of direct radiation, detachment of creeping waves from th .......
72: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: heard the LRS with reel to reel tape - wow (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-02, 20:09:56 (71.79.97.125)
And as to your question elsewhere the 1.7i do more of the same, bigger louder and deeper. It is quite amazing that this is the starting point for the maggie line. .......
73: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Thanks Andrew! :-) (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-02, 20:04:43 (71.79.97.125)
Then build a First Watt B4 crossover. Very flexible, not too hard to build. Pass posted the schematics parts etc. online. It would be my go to crossover. .......
74: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Maggie 1.7 vs LRS ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-01, 16:32:38 (71.79.97.125)
Without actually doing a direct comparison, the 1.7i are more dynamic, produce a larger scale soundstage and images, and do nearly an octave of bass more convincingly. They are rather close in detail .......
75: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Excellent analysis (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-01, 14:12:48 (71.79.97.125)
Congrats then. I know you already like them. Where are they going? .......
76: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Sub or DWM? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-01, 10:47:18 (71.79.97.125)
As Josh and MarcL pointed out, the DWM is a woofer and is used to even out the bass performance in the room. It will not do the bottom octave fill in you used your Titan subwoofer for. You need an ac .......
77: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: I heard the LRS today, omg (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-11-01, 10:18:03 (71.79.97.125)
Well, the pin point thing is not really possible in the 20, you need the 20.7 to get time alignment that makes that happen. Something that was incorporated in the entire .7 series and the LRS. As to t .......
78: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Nope! Wack Doodle PCA! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-31, 15:48:31 (71.79.97.125)
So you are using the maggies to fill the room ambiance that is missing from the direct radiating limited dispersion horn speakers? If so, then turn them to bounce the output off the side walls not qui .......
79: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Nope! Wack Doodle PCA! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-31, 10:51:07 (71.79.97.125)
Assuming it was not the fuse, perhaps your top end amp should be replaced with something more stable. You can go with a large used Emotiva for a low cost start. If you play hard as your subwoofer coll .......
80: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: I heard the LRS today, omg (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-31, 10:43:33 (71.79.97.125)
We all know where you are headed... You will eventually look to replace your 20.1s with 20.7s to retain scale and ribbon performance and incorporate the new midrange and bass improvements once you hav .......
81: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Sounds GREAT! I CAN turn everythigh up to distortion but I know when to back it off a bit (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-29, 19:50:57 (71.79.97.125)
How are you blending in the LaScalas with the maggies? .......
82: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Here's the crossovers I needed with my Maggies! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-27, 21:05:23 (71.79.97.125)
Assuming your maggies are 3.3 models it should also work ok for a 3.5. IIRC the 3.6 is too different to use a different model's crossover box. .......
83: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Thanks for your kind offer, Satie - but ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-27, 09:44:41 (71.79.97.125)
I was proposing you fund the acquisition.... .......
84: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: "The midbass driver on the bass panel has a high pass and a low pass." ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-27, 01:05:17 (71.79.97.125)
If you are willing to fund it, I would be happy to take apart the XO of a 30.7 to show you what it is. That way we can be sure that we are not being hoodwinked by anyone. Of course one would lose the .......
85: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: I'd still need to see the XO before I'd classify it as 4-way! :-)) nt (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-26, 13:57:18 (71.79.97.125)
Wendell said it was 4 way explicitly. The midbass driver on the bass panel has a high pass and a low pass. .......
86: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 3.7i / 40 inch BG Radia Midrange Revamp from FB (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-26, 13:51:52 (71.79.97.125)
Looks like a familiar project... I believe it would work great taking push pull down to the low mids and decoupling the mids from the bass driver. His electronics are a significant investment too. Wil .......
87: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Any particular reason? ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-26, 13:46:57 (71.79.97.125)
It is a balance between mass, rigidity, vibration transfer, and damping. With mass being either high mass to reduce the amplitude of vibrations or low mass (hardwood) to transfer them and radiate them .......
88: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Second BDP24 do not play maggies with LaScalas (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-24, 13:04:39 (71.79.97.125)
I can't imagine what hell of mishmash that will create, but I am curious to read your description. .......
89: Planar Speaker Asylum, Second BDP24 do not play maggies with LaScalas (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-24, 06:50:52 (71.79.97.125)
I second demotion of the Phase Linear to bass amp duties and the use of a real line level crossover and a modern amp or big tube amp for the top end. Use the LaScalas for what you like about them. Th .......
90: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 30.7 Jr. Tweeter/midrange panel with a dipole cone woofer ? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-24, 06:41:24 (71.79.97.125)
You can build a ribbon maggie from a 3.x and a line of Neo8 drivers (Neo8S for low end reach to 200hz, Neo8 PDR for high end extension but only 300hz and up). And mate that with a dipole OB woofer lik .......
91: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Aah, John - ye of little faith!! :-)) ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-24, 06:21:44 (71.79.97.125)
I am with you John, I prefer an all analog chain and addressing room issues by stuffing the room and placement. It is hard enough to have one good DAC, getting 3 or 4 good ones is very expensive. Even .......
92: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: No, mate - IT WON'T WORK! ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-24, 06:08:19 (71.79.97.125)
As I said before and others chimed in, the XO at 90hz is a good cutoff for the bass to integrate a subwoofer. The midrange needs something north of 250hz otherwise you will have an octave hole of -12 .......
93: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Maggie IIIs are IN DA HOUSE!! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-23, 08:44:48 (71.79.97.125)
Can you reprogram the "activator" for a different crossover point? the fixed 90 hz 3rd order is likely too low for the mid section and will leave a hole in the FR of the speaker. .......
94: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Got 'em! And seller gave me a Phase Coupled Activator with them! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-23, 08:42:18 (71.79.97.125)
It has a fixed 90hz crossover so will not allow you to biamp with this as the crossover. The phase coupled processor will have to be used with a subwoofer. So you still need a crossover. I think we a .......
95: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Upgraded Tympani IVa X-Overs (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-23, 07:37:11 (71.79.97.125)
I was under the impression you were using multiple runs of the 28 gauge wire. I understand what you are describing for the sound. I did not go as thin as 28 gauge, but I did try 14 gauge solid core f .......
96: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: I'd DIY if you are able. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-21, 19:03:30 (71.79.97.125)
Then it should be a trivial project for you. You can build the line level XO from Nelson Pass' published schematics for the B4 crossover. If you are sticking with speaker level just think through you .......
97: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Upgraded Tympani IVa X-Overs (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-21, 18:59:32 (71.79.97.125)
Yes, but unlike the speaker wire, the voice coil is cooled by the air motion so does not rise in temperature with prolonged play or very low frequencies. So the voice coil has stable properties. You c .......
98: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Up top, main planar page (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-21, 13:50:50 (71.79.97.125)
Marchand does line level crossovers and can do you a speaker level one as well. Look him up at the URL and give him a call. There are other builders online, but I don't have any experience with them. .......
99: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Crossovers for Magnepan MGIII Planar Loudspeakers? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-21, 11:11:05 (71.79.97.125)
Not a big problem nor a large cost to build your own. .......
100: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Upgraded Tympani IVa X-Overs (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-21, 11:09:13 (71.79.97.125)
12 or 14 gauge IIRC for the T IV bass panels, the wires on the drivers are even smaller, and by a wide margin, and they are aluminum to boot. That does not matter as much in a driver because the drive .......
101: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Upgraded Tympani IVa X-Overs (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-19, 07:08:43 (71.79.97.125)
He is pointing out that small gauge wires in high current applications can restrict low bass. My own attempts show that it matters for bass. Another reason to biamp. It is more difficult to assemble a .......
102: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: It IS a QC issue IMO (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-12, 10:55:26 (71.79.97.125)
We'll leave it to Magnepan to figure out if taking extra time or actions to prevent the cloth adhesion problem is worthwhile. As I wrote my comment I had reverberating in my head Deming's comments of .......
103: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Upgraded Tympani IVa X-Overs (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-12, 10:49:19 (71.79.97.125)
DNM wires? .......
104: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: It's fixed !!!! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-11, 19:57:56 (71.79.97.125)
Not really a QC issue. The coating cures but remains tacky for a day or so depending on the day's temp and humidity. Since the problems it causes are really easy to address there is no point in holdin .......
105: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Upgraded Tympani IVa X-Overs (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-11, 19:54:30 (71.79.97.125)
That seems like a promising setup. Would very much have liked to hear that. .......
106: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Just a guess? Fabric was pressed against mylar before adhesive dried (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-11, 13:47:13 (71.79.97.125)
This is just a bit of adhesion of the fabric to the mylar. It is temporary and easily detached. Not really a problem. Think of it like a fingerprint smudge on a refrigerator. It is nicer if it were no .......
107: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Upgraded Tympani IVa X-Overs (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-10, 19:43:20 (71.79.97.125)
Yes, he used the original values and upgraded the parts. Obviously he is not a big believer in quality resistors. Looks like lovely work, though melted glue is not a first choice for potting the compo .......
108: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: LSR finally here but .... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-10, 19:38:28 (71.79.97.125)
just pull the cloth away from the mylar, it should separate, and if you would rather not, it will separate with some loud playback. Some folks take masking tape to pull the cloth off the mylar. It is .......
109: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: How much improvement is there between the MG12 and the new .7 ? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-10, 11:38:17 (71.79.97.125)
IIRC the 12 were wire bass - I didn't look at the binding posts, I assume the old MG12 had screw terminals, while the new ones are bananas with grub screws for locking them. .......
110: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Upgraded Tympani IVa X-Overs (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-10, 11:36:05 (71.79.97.125)
It is a physical wiring scheme for a crossover using original values. Compare to original in URL .......
111: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: How much improvement is there between the MG12 and the new .7 ? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-09, 21:11:49 (71.79.97.125)
Keep the Tannoy and go with an LRS to play with it and see how things have changed. The all QR build and new crossover come out very well and better than the old MG12. If you are talking about the gre .......
112: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: rewire (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-09, 14:01:41 (71.79.97.125)
Looking at used QR bass drivers they show that the foil gets stretched in the vertical axis to the point of creating ripples. That effectively increases the very little strain the mylar allows - the r .......
113: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Difference between the .7 and LRS with subs? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-08, 10:45:58 (71.79.97.125)
The .7 stand up straight, and have longer line sources, but ideally you would start with the 1.7i to get the full benefit of a tall line source. The bass extension is not the main benefit of going up .......
114: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: .7 Tweak (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-07, 23:01:23 (71.79.97.125)
The backplate wiring is probably the same, the crossover is different. .......
115: Planar Speaker Asylum, Yee haw... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-04, 15:47:12 (71.79.97.125)
nt .......
116: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: LRS low-power amp club, post whatcha' got... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-03, 20:34:14 (71.79.97.125)
I drive the Neo8 array and ribbon tweeter with an updated pair of Dynaco MkIII with KT120 tubes. Ultralinear for orchestra and piano, 60W. Triode for chamber music, 30W. The combo is far more sensitiv .......
117: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Name That Amp (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-02, 07:29:53 (71.79.97.125)
Coda is a high end OEM and offer similar basic components and layouts to brands though they have different circuits and components. .......
118: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Loved my Innersound ESL on my SL Pristines... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-01, 13:16:41 (71.79.97.125)
I would stick with Estat's warning about class D amps and the very capacitive load of the ESLs. They are very different from maggies as a load for the amp. So I would stick to class A AB and tubes. A .......
119: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Tympani IVa's on eBay (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-10-01, 13:08:30 (71.79.97.125)
Yours is a late production as their last year was 1991. .......
120: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Tympani IVa's on eBay (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-29, 23:55:06 (71.79.97.125)
They aren't what they used to be, but still better than most (and Fedex) and don't charge as much. .......
121: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Tympani IVa's on eBay (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-29, 22:25:13 (71.79.97.125)
Fedex, somebody should tell him about Old Dominion .......
122: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Tympani IVa's on eBay (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-29, 18:05:44 (71.79.97.125)
It looks really good. Would be interesting to see how it sells. .......
123: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Magnepans and amplification. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-28, 10:22:15 (71.79.97.125)
You will get much better transient dynamics with a SS at 400W/ch @4ohms. But since your listening levels are rather low, then I would say why bother. The Rogue Sphinx and better yet the Pharaoh are me .......
124: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Planar Car Speakers (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-27, 19:47:04 (71.79.97.125)
Can't see much anyways... .......
125: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Do re-wired panels require run-in? ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-26, 22:48:00 (71.79.97.125)
Yes, they have to go through some shear plasticizing for the glue at its interfaces with the mylar and aluminum to make the diaphragms pliant, and to stretch out the foil. .......
126: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Measuring Neos (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-26, 22:44:22 (71.79.97.125)
I did free air, but a large cardboard/plywood baffle might give more useful results since the baffle will boost the bottom end so you will be comparing flatter measurements. .......
127: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: NEO 8's - Radian LM8K's (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-25, 23:57:45 (71.79.97.125)
General sensitivity within 1 db and no substantial difference in FR sweeps - meaning that the peaks and dips are at the same freq and similar amplitude on both drivers. That would be well matched. Tho .......
128: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: AMT-920-1-60W (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-25, 23:48:58 (71.79.97.125)
The measurements shown are for a half driver. That is intended to show what the driver does without the cavity resonance forming. Though it looks rather good, it isn't what you end up with with the fu .......
129: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Perhaps (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-25, 19:51:50 (71.79.97.125)
If you are using sharp slopes it won't matter at 3-4 khz 1st order would definitely be an issue, 2nd order maybe a bit of a bother at 4khz, probably not at 3khz. Part of the attraction of Neo8s for me .......
130: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Chinese Knock Offs (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-25, 19:49:13 (71.79.97.125)
I have been wondering about them for years, have you found any line array projects with them? .......
131: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Best midrange? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-25, 06:38:40 (71.79.97.125)
30.7 is great, 20.7 is not quite as good and the Neo8 are competitive/better. 3.7 is next up but a step below. Still very good and much better than you get from any box speaker. .......
132: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: NEO 8's - Radian LM8K's (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-23, 19:30:04 (71.79.97.125)
Parts Express is chock full of their compression tweeters and replacement diaphragms. Never saw their planar drivers before. Have you found any examples of people using them? They don't go as far at .......
133: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Is the magnet spacing the same for the wire vs. QR drivers? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-23, 13:24:16 (71.79.97.125)
Apparently, but no info from Magnepan stating it as fact. .......
134: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Perhaps (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-23, 13:21:56 (71.79.97.125)
That would explain it. Also the bit of overhang on the waterfall plots I saw. .......
135: Planar Speaker Asylum, Which felt? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-23, 13:16:58 (71.79.97.125)
Which grade of felt and thickness did you end up using? I don't recall seeing your measurements, was I not paying attention? .......
136: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Perhaps (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-22, 10:45:55 (71.79.97.125)
If you look at the Neo8S dispersion measurements it is a fall off the cliff going from 30 deg. to 45 at over 10 khz the entire top octave disappears. I think the corrugated suspension has something to .......
137: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Upgrades to Tympani-IVa's (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-22, 08:31:59 (71.79.97.125)
I would keep the Pass, add an Emotiva linear power supply monoblock (some XPA variant) to do bass. Get your Marchand cards updated for your modded speakers. The used XPA should cost a small fraction o .......
138: Planar Speaker Asylum, Integrateds (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-22, 08:19:15 (71.79.97.125)
The number of integrateds on the market that can compete with your updated MFA tube equipment is minuscule. Definitely not any Anthem gear. They are so far off your equipment's signature characteristi .......
139: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Stereophile Reviews (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-22, 08:05:22 (71.79.97.125)
Generally when I am looking at a dealer's for sources and amplification I bring my own if it is functional, for comparison. Otherwise I try to get the dealer to use something I am familiar with as a r .......
140: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Perhaps (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-21, 11:24:33 (71.79.97.125)
The Neo8 is a great substitute for the original mids, and definitely does better than the 3.7i. But, the original version is unavailable, and the price of the Neo8S version - which is rated to 300hz, .......
141: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Sterophile Ratings (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-20, 17:20:08 (71.79.97.125)
You need to read the reviewer's words carefully and look at his components. There is as much significance to what the reviewer did not say. If the result at the dealer was very bright and harsh then .......
142: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Perhaps (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-20, 17:11:58 (71.79.97.125)
That is a good idea, but I think you can do better with a modded midrange on the T IVA and a 1st order XO. You can follow Roger's mod to get the mids redone in foil so they are QR, and then run the cr .......
143: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Tympani IVa Available (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-19, 11:38:45 (71.79.97.125)
Looks like a great deal since the speakers are claimed to be operational as they are. Lots you can do to improve this great speaker to a terrific one. It is not out of the capability of many DIY'ers .......
144: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: LRS break in process and time (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-18, 17:00:23 (71.79.97.125)
Some people like that, and get a kick out of hearing the changes, others just want it to be over with as early as possible so they can finish optimizing their setup with a stable sound signature. ::: .......
145: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: A Double-Blind Test!! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-16, 09:34:11 (71.79.97.125)
There is more to it than just fatigue. There are incompatibilities between components that can be ironed out - but they would not be in a formal blind test. You can rework cabling, EQ settings, swap s .......
146: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Best pairing with DWM's (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-15, 15:26:23 (71.79.97.125)
They add to the extension and dynamics of the small maggies up to 1.7, They improve bass uniformity/evenness and dynamics for the 3.7, and smooth out the bass for a 20.7, have not seen anyone try them .......
147: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: A Double-Blind Test!! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-15, 15:23:44 (71.79.97.125)
The only useful information is to characterize. Differentiate and prefer are not relevant and obtaining that via ABX self destructs the test. To be cognitively correct, there can be no X, only A and B .......
148: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: LRS break in process and time (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-15, 12:15:04 (71.79.97.125)
Actually both mylar and foil get stretched out. The foil gets lifted and stretched in about 1-2 mm sections off the mylar at least in one place on most vertical runs. Bass heavy music is somewhat more .......
149: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: LRS break in process and time (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-15, 10:19:05 (71.79.97.125)
CD player on repeat, or a streamer, higher volume than you normally listen to, run it for days when the house is empty, and just leave the house. You can place the speakers face to face and reverse po .......
150: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: A Double-Blind Test!! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-15, 10:13:53 (71.79.97.125)
HiFi news and HiFi Choice in the UK used to do blind panel tests. The panelists provide detailed notes about all the audiophile characteristics the magazines think are important for each of the items .......
151: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Yep (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-11, 13:10:06 (71.79.97.125)
Was it dynamics that were understated, detail, image specificity/precision? Given enough power, the 30.7 is the one maggie that didn't seem to skimp on anything. That said, it did require that you set .......
152: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: LRS's listed as Class B (LFR) ! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-11, 06:49:22 (71.79.97.125)
Lowest cost speaker in the B section. .......
153: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Anyone actually own 30.7? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-10, 16:32:40 (71.79.97.125)
A few more of those pics are from demos in Thailand and Europe .......
154: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Adding bass panels to 3.7i's (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-07, 14:18:02 (71.79.97.125)
Ideally, tympani bass panels as Roger suggested. The plus is that you get dipole planar bass down to 25 hz with proper placement. The downside is that you are going to need lots of space for them and .......
155: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: LRS and low power... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-06, 13:27:19 (71.79.97.125)
It isn't so much the loudness but the ability to play the transient peaks and extend the bass down and increase its dynamics. .......
156: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: current generation of Maggies - (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-06, 13:23:34 (71.79.97.125)
I am guessing the Neo3 has a thicker diaphragm is that it needs it for damping and a lower resonance freq. Otherwise it would have the primary resonance within its operating range (with back cup). It .......
157: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: "directly compare 3.6 (my current) vs 3.7's" ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-03, 20:26:52 (71.79.97.125)
As Andy said, the old wire maggies had a midrange veil, particularly at low volume. But the new .7 series are on a different level. The 3.7i I heard briefly again a couple of weeks ago was better than .......
158: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 30.7 low end (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-02, 15:44:18 (71.79.97.125)
First, you already have dual subwoofers. Just put the Double Impacts in the corners and run them off a sharp line level crossover to play them at the bottom octave. To get the most out of the bass ca .......
159: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Volume baby (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-09-02, 08:27:37 (71.79.97.125)
I am not sure whether the midrange on the 30.7 comes out lighter than that of the Neo8, but there was no reason to think otherwise in the limited audition. The Neo8/ribbon transition is far better tha .......
160: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: I've been wondering about this (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-31, 11:07:07 (71.79.97.125)
Consider a hybrid from Monarchy or Vincent, or a restored Moscode hybrid. Also consider restoring a classic high power tube amp like those from Melos and Manley. .......
161: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: current generation of Maggies - (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-31, 11:02:44 (71.79.97.125)
Wire maggies have a problem of low level "swalowing" of detail and reverberant trails. I also found you need to play at a minimum level to get the details out. QR maggies do much better on it and so d .......
162: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Dragonfire Acoustics Mini Dragon a Mini Maggie Competitor at only $10k (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-28, 17:22:58 (71.79.97.125)
Makes the mini maggies seem that much a better deal. Even fully tricked out with two DWMs they will work for a desktop or small space at much less than half the cost - don't need DSP and do planar bas .......
163: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Speaker placement (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-25, 17:46:18 (71.79.97.125)
Thanks for the info. my long ago pestering of Decca engineers while setting up for a live recording, gave me the peak target of 115 db for what they record in the hall. That is the last whack on the b .......
164: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Speaker placement (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-25, 15:41:35 (71.79.97.125)
Well? so what are the answers to your listening questionnaire? The spitting is the other way round, as stains on my shirt would show after listening to a sonata for French Horn and Piano or Boling's S .......
165: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Speaker placement (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-25, 14:46:05 (71.79.97.125)
That was his stated goal. His main experience for reference is the 11th row seat just off center in the rather reverberant Minnesota Orchestra hall. Images are not that precise and hall sound is start .......
166: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Speaker placement (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-25, 12:40:28 (71.79.97.125)
I think that was because the room had seating in it that could not be removed in time for the presentation, so it was setup for a particular listening seat, just with the tweeters out position to prod .......
167: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 30.7 in Kazoo (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-25, 11:45:35 (71.79.97.125)
The same comment in the Columbus presentation. I also was listening in on a discussion with the store staff about a local client's 30.7 installation and how there is some reluctance to treat the room. .......
168: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Tri Center Progress (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-24, 23:09:34 (71.79.97.125)
I think that has something more to do with what pro logic II is doing with the signal sent to the tricenter rather than the alignment alone. I think we should ping Josh for that one. .......
169: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Nuvista 800 integrated (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-24, 20:53:22 (71.79.97.125)
Outclassed, but for similar tweeter. The Tympani is a few cigars short. First the 30.7 is time aligned right off the bat with great driver integration and plays as a whole. I could not tell at any po .......
170: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Tri Center Progress (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-24, 19:47:15 (71.79.97.125)
Are mains and ccr delayed to let the 1.7s act as if they are timed from the plain of the mains? .......
171: Planar Speaker Asylum, Nuvista 800 integrated (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-24, 19:39:07 (71.79.97.125)
Rated at 800W/ch @4 ohms the compact but heavy Nuvista 800 integrated did not run out of steam, though the demo was not quite as demanding as I would have been on my own, without having to worry about .......
172: Planar Speaker Asylum, 30.7 at Sound & Vision North of Columbus Ohio (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-24, 17:09:20 (71.79.97.125)
Great opportunity to talk to Wendell and see his team's handiwork in the new flagship speaker. The Sound and Vision staff were also nice enough to let me listen to the 3.7i before the second presenta .......
173: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: LRS vs. 1.7i (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-19, 15:15:49 (71.79.97.125)
The 1.7i uses the same QR midrange and bass that the LRS does and which makes it sound better through the mids than a 1.6 which uses wire on its mid/bass driver. It also has a narrow supertweeter sect .......
174: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: "The clarity of the quasi ribbon (mids) is a big step up." ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-18, 20:01:49 (71.79.97.125)
The primer's job is to seal and create a non-absorbent layer for the paint to adhere to. If you get a paste primer rather than a liquid one you can get away with less absorption into the porous surfac .......
175: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Shipping (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-17, 08:20:19 (71.79.97.125)
If you don't want to order a ribbon protector strip for the speaker you can rig up protection by taping on paper sheets on one (or both) side of of the ribbon. Just remember to take off the paper slow .......
176: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Bi-Amping Magnepan Tympani 1D (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-13, 14:49:35 (71.79.97.125)
Since it is a 1st order you can go with a passive line level crossover - the high pass is just a capacitor in series with the tweeter amp, and the bass low pass is a shunt capacitor and a series resis .......
177: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 30.7 road show dates (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-12, 20:20:51 (71.79.97.125)
This is regarding the Dayton store. I have not been to the Cincinnati store. The faux stone wall is not treated beyond the finish - the window has blinds that are acoustically significant. They rely o .......
178: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Magnepan 20 Reprint review Stereophile 1995 (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-11, 12:09:45 (71.79.97.125)
I just miss him on Stereophile. I don't know his status now. Presumably he is still at it at The Absolute Sound. Well, I can understand the expectation you are forming with your recent experience of .......
179: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 30.7 road show dates (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-11, 11:59:48 (71.79.97.125)
Go there for Magico Focal Sonus Faber Boulder Devialet and the occasional Martin Logan. .......
180: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Magnepan 20 Reprint review Stereophile 1995 (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-10, 21:38:07 (71.79.97.125)
I miss Dick Olsher I remember reading this review and then looking for houses with an appropriate space for the 20 or a Tympani model with this review in the back of my mind. .......
181: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Subs (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-10, 20:35:28 (71.79.97.125)
With the tangential mode of my room captured by sidewall placement and the length mode I get a nice plateau 25-50 hz (-3db points) which is about 6-8 db above midrange level and though it still falls .......
182: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Subs (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-10, 15:32:26 (71.79.97.125)
That is usually the case, but with braced and wall loaded tympani bass panels you should do ok on that count. Particularly if you are a bit liberal with the crossover. .......
183: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: do you live outside the city and your Maggies need more room to breathe? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-10, 15:27:22 (71.79.97.125)
No guilt here, if the hounds are bored with the music and petting session then they can go off hunting the elusive squirrels that occupy most of their day. .......
184: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Bi-Amping Magnepan Tympani 1D (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-10, 15:23:39 (71.79.97.125)
First check the fuse for continuity with a multimeter. That is the most common culprit. If it isn't the fuse that is the problem, then disconnect all the jumpers and the speaker cables and measure re .......
185: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: An Hour With Dr. Roger West (A California Audio Show 2019 Experience) (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-10, 15:13:04 (71.79.97.125)
dagogo have Dr West's "white paper" where he explains everything. unlike this blurb, it was interesting to read. .......
186: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: do you live outside the city and your Maggies need more room to breathe? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-10, 15:11:36 (71.79.97.125)
"That said ... I live (and these days even work) in my listening room. I would never banish myself to the backyard." WAF keeps looking at properties with an outbuildings for me to setup in. She studio .......
187: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: do you live outside the city and your Maggies need more room to breathe? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-08-10, 15:08:12 (71.79.97.125)
What is the insulation? Electric service installation is extra, also wiring the inside. At first look it seems like a rattly narrow space. A double car unit is likely a better choice. .......
188: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 6 Moons writeup (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-29, 22:56:52 (71.79.97.125)
That is rather positive. Wish he could do an actual mini review. Too bad there just isn't enough time. .......
189: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Question (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-28, 09:45:32 (71.79.97.125)
Around 500 sq in. i don't have official figures. The radiating area is not all of the difference, there is also more baffle area and the speakers are taller and the 1.7i has a supertweeter section fo .......
190: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: CHAIRS!! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-28, 09:15:23 (71.79.97.125)
I don't think the chairs are in the demo room but in a separate room they used for the presentation. As we see them facing Wendell and shelves with audio gear. .......
191: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: bass distortion on martin logan SL3 (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-27, 19:48:14 (71.79.97.125)
i would get a more powerful amp for starters as the ML hybrids are difficult loads - actually the CLS models were too. Till then, I would experiment with placement to optimize the bass with the limite .......
192: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Upgraded XO. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-27, 14:19:05 (71.79.97.125)
Why did you keep the old Electrocubes? They don't age very well. I also had them in the interstage coupling in my late 1970s Audible Illusions preamp and they had to go. I did use them in conjuction w .......
193: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Biplolar subs (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-26, 22:58:16 (71.79.97.125)
Medazolam for seizures when you listen.... .......
194: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Upgraded XO. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-26, 13:07:55 (71.79.97.125)
Sonicap for the high pass? .......
195: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Heard the HQD system in the late 70s (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-26, 10:16:36 (71.79.97.125)
I was just a child at that time and had not yet had much exposure to anything audiophile. I didn't really get to live through the small hifi shop era. By the time I was into it in a serious way I had .......
196: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Choosing woofer for OB sub for my 1.5QR's (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-26, 09:56:28 (71.79.97.125)
How about picking up a commercial design like the Gr Research/Rhythmic powered OB subs that many have found so useful, and just leave out the design work? .......
197: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Subs - I have to say ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-26, 09:50:35 (71.79.97.125)
It isn't that you can't integrate sealed box woofers, it is that it is more difficult. My own preference is for bipolar sealed subs as a compromise for cost vs. extension vs. precision, as they are ju .......
198: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Have you heard (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-21, 12:16:23 (71.79.97.125)
All is very promising with the Soundlabs - i just never found any to audition - so I take your word for it, as their design has pretty much everything I could think of and then some - in theory. ::: T .......
199: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: An alternative to LRS's? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-21, 12:11:50 (71.79.97.125)
This is a cheap powered sub with good performance. Get two of them for your LRS to get them to couple with each other and extend output down to 20hz. They are ported at the floor, so you would want t .......
200: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Alsyvox planars...better than your beloved horn speaker and box speaker design? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-21, 11:52:54 (71.79.97.125)
There has been some discussion here.And we are all curious to get some user experiences and find reviews. .......
201: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: New Copper Foil Caps (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-20, 13:31:06 (71.79.97.125)
Still very expensive. .......
202: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: What the 57 lacks (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-20, 13:27:51 (71.79.97.125)
That was my issue with the Quads as well. I much preferred the tall line sources like the ML CLS and Acoustats. .......
203: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: I did (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-19, 16:00:49 (71.79.97.125)
Probably the best and simplest idea I have ever seen. .......
204: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: $7,500 for 1dB ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-19, 15:59:17 (71.79.97.125)
I think you could do better by distributing your bass with a couple of sealed subs and a pair of corner bass traps. .......
205: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Absence makes the ears grow ... foggier? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-16, 12:47:43 (71.79.97.125)
Did you manage to resolve the issues again? .......
206: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Who made those stands (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-16, 11:53:51 (71.79.97.125)
Aceinc made them .......
207: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Absence makes the ears grow ... foggier? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-14, 20:18:51 (71.79.97.125)
I think off-hand that the tweeters closer to the sidewalls would end up providing a shorter path than the woofers rather than the other way round while delay on the woofers from the XO requires a shor .......
208: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Absence makes the ears grow ... foggier? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-14, 15:36:55 (71.79.97.125)
Again it looks like you need to rework the toe in angle to shorten the path off the bass panel relative to the tweeter. Of course, each new repositioning would require Dirac to be re-run. So do the to .......
209: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: "Isn't the 20.7 midrange an acoustically isolated part of the bass panel, like in the 3.7? " ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-13, 15:48:54 (71.79.97.125)
You can just follow the lore on DIY audio etc. about Neo8 projects to figure out what the current state of affairs is. If people are complaining then wait till their production comes back in line and .......
210: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Magneplanar "1 inch placement rule" (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-13, 15:42:25 (71.79.97.125)
What is the rule? It is that you need to find the right toe in where your speakers are at their best. The 1" for the LRS is not necessarily correct for other models as their driver dimensions and cros .......
211: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Heard some 3.7s for the first time, this arvo ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-13, 06:01:02 (71.79.97.125)
I am not sure they can do it. They haven't before. The solution is a Neo8 or 8S or PDR. They are expensive in a line of 6 or 7 per side, but they are at least marginally better than the 20.7 mids. ::: .......
212: Planar Speaker Asylum, Euphonizer (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-12, 11:59:28 (71.79.97.125)
You need something to make harsh sharp and thin sounding recordings more palatable. One way is with the Eastern Electric MiniMax BBA Preamplifier which you can make sound more vivid and warm with the .......
213: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Magnepan LRS with poor recordings? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-11, 11:35:32 (71.79.97.125)
Proximity to the sidewall provides more bass to a planar. Proximity to the front wall produces wider range dipole cancellation and thus less bass. It does move a large null from the front wall reflec .......
214: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Absence makes the ears grow ... foggier? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-09, 10:44:39 (71.79.97.125)
So did you manage to stop the traversal of images across the soundstage? What is the overall impression of this positioning scheme now? .......
215: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Absence makes the ears grow ... foggier? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-09, 07:58:59 (71.79.97.125)
The phase change is because of the crossover, I presume, and the likely case is that you are bouncing the main output lobe away from the center of the reflection. The main lobe (mid/bass) is likely on .......
216: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Absence makes the ears grow ... foggier? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-08, 21:08:43 (71.79.97.125)
Can you repost this with a smoother plot - say 1/12th or 1/8 or 1/16? Can you do an impulse response for each speaker and see if they differ? I made an effort in my Rooze setups to time-distance the r .......
217: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Absence makes the ears grow ... foggier? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-08, 11:24:14 (71.79.97.125)
I have not experienced this with Rooze setups. It would indicate a substantial tonal difference between the two channels. Measure each and try to get them closer in FR and equal in timing. (not necess .......
218: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Magnepan 20.7s and amps: Pass? Aesthetix Atlas? Bryson? Tube? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-07, 19:44:29 (71.79.97.125)
As John suggested, you can go up the Pass line on two tracks. Higher class A output on the XA series and higher max output on the X series. For the 20.7 I think they will have something to do with the .......
219: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Magnepan 20.7s and amps: Pass? Aesthetix Atlas? Bryson? Tube? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-07, 15:42:46 (71.79.97.125)
First of all, consider keeping the Aesthetix Atlas. Unless it is a really large room, it has enough power. As I am sure you are aware, Thiels were notoriously bright and required warm sounding amps a .......
220: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Sweep Length impacts Phase and IR Response (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-06, 19:30:09 (71.79.97.125)
It was the fact that my interface has the same clock for ADC and DAC that is making me skip the USB mic I got since it has a published FR spec. The old Sony mics don't have a published spec for the ne .......
221: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Sweep Length impacts Phase and IR Response (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-05, 16:24:35 (71.79.97.125)
That is a sad state of things. Guess it is back to the 40 year old Sony mics and the interface when I need to do new measurements. .......
222: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Choosing between two rooms for 20.7 (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-05, 16:05:03 (71.79.97.125)
This actually looks to have good potential on the long wall in front of the bookcases. You can use the open space to your advantage by taking a distance from the hearth - which would be a far away sid .......
223: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Choosing between two rooms for 20.7 (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-04, 14:12:22 (71.79.97.125)
Basement since you can do far more with room treatments and the basement space is small enough for the 20.7s to work without support of a subwoofer. It also allows you setup a Limage placement scheme. .......
224: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: I would have thought Magnepan customer service would have been better. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-04, 11:43:14 (71.79.97.125)
Your expectations are not realistic. You can't expect a product that is at the bottom end of the line and with very thin margins to provide substitution for your prior generation product, nor any kind .......
225: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Differences between 20.7 and 3.7? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-07-03, 15:29:50 (71.79.97.125)
But they have wire bass panels which is where the delamination problem the OP asked about comes in. .......
226: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Thanks! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-30, 12:20:36 (71.79.97.125)
One good thing is that they make Tympanis look reasonable. Wish I had been there. .......
227: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Differences between 20.7 and 3.7? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-30, 12:16:50 (71.79.97.125)
There should be plenty of 20.1 production from 2006 onwards with the new adhesive. Just check with magnepan with the serial number before you buy to get the production year. On listening, the 20.1 an .......
228: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Mini Maggies in small room (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-30, 12:08:05 (71.79.97.125)
The mini maggies are not designed for far field listening but for nearfield like a desktop system. ideal listening distance is 3-4 ft. 6 ft with 2X DWM. Someone posted pics showing he has used them w .......
229: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: A note from Magnepan regarding LRS delays (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-30, 12:02:53 (71.79.97.125)
It isn't fear of growth - it is fear of shrinking. This is not their first hot product. They know perfectly well how it cycles. But the overall market for large speakers has been shrinking for two dec .......
230: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Help me out here (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-24, 08:35:21 (71.79.97.125)
You might not think of yourself as a bass fiend, but acoustic music - particularly classical and jazz have a substantial amount of bass power - particularly down at the double bass range of the low 2 .......
231: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Acoustat 1 + 1 - shorter height question (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-23, 08:46:54 (71.79.97.125)
Did it look like the frame was shortened? The base truncated? I am guessing that it was a DIY effort to shorten the speakers. .......
232: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: MGIIa cosmetic choices (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-22, 13:55:19 (71.79.97.125)
Depends on what you use for the trim. Anything stronger than sticky tape is going to benefit stiffness. It is particularly important for the vertical dimension. So I would prefer to apply a hardwood L .......
233: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: if the LRS is essentially a smaller sized ver of the .7 (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-12, 02:21:24 (71.79.97.125)
LRS + pair of subs, but preferably a .7 or bigger and a pair of subs. .......
234: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Rooze setup explained please. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-10, 15:05:30 (71.79.97.125)
Very good point about multimic'd recordings having odd soundstage artifacts. I can't say that I have much of an idea of how many mics were used in recordings of small ensembles and piano that came off .......
235: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Rooze setup explained please. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-09, 17:22:05 (71.79.97.125)
I demoed the Rooze to a former large Martin Logan owner (Sequel?) who was totally stunned by the experience with Russian symphonic tone poems I started the demo with. He didn't want to switch to anyth .......
236: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: MG-IIa crossover upgrade. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-08, 14:43:04 (71.79.97.125)
I think you would do fine with the existing XO scheme. But you can contact PG for other ideas. IIRC it is one of the models he worked on. .......
237: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: MG-IIa ID the metal strip. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-08, 14:41:33 (71.79.97.125)
Working with the glue they do stiffen up the speaker and act as a CLD damper. They may have other functions. Given that this is a maggie, it would not have been there if it didn't either contribute to .......
238: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Neo 8 mod impressions (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-06, 23:32:52 (71.79.97.125)
I am surprised the resonance freq didn't shift over time. Amazing that you have them that close 35+ years after they were stretched. .......
239: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Neo 8 mod impressions (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-06, 22:15:22 (71.79.97.125)
I don't believe I have it any longer but Josh can easily do it on JRiver I think. Lets ask him to try. I did -12 db 1/3 octave at 12.5 khz both in analog EQ and later on foobar. .......
240: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Neo 8 mod impressions (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-06, 21:52:52 (71.79.97.125)
You can see the impeded output coming out in the impulse of the double sided Neo8. First the reflection off the front magnet board then from the other magnet board going through the diaphragm and back .......
241: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Neo 8 mod impressions (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-06, 21:20:06 (71.79.97.125)
Don't need to grin. I did that nearly a decade ago and the notch showed up at the far field FR. Not every portion of the driver's output has the same directional components. The cavity resonance outpu .......
242: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Neo 8 mod impressions (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-06, 09:32:00 (71.79.97.125)
Of course it would show up on the microphone. It is random directionally and your mic can't distinguish what comes from the top bottom or adjacent driver and you can't use a really quick gate on the s .......
243: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Rooze setup explained please. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-06, 06:05:43 (71.79.97.125)
I drew up this diagram years ago, I am putting it up without reviewing it .......
244: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Neo 8 mod impressions (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-05, 20:04:59 (71.79.97.125)
It is all cancelled out at a distance when you have a sufficient number of drivers since the cavity resonance output is not directional - unlike the main direct output. It has a random vertical distri .......
245: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Technical question (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-05, 14:22:23 (71.79.97.125)
Looks like Dirac Live is really earning its keep. I took out my EQ after years of placement tweaks to take out most of the FR wobbles - now I setup on the other wall I feel I really need that EQ back .......
246: Planar Speaker Asylum, 2006?? nt (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-04, 23:17:05 (71.79.97.125)
nt .......
247: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Technical question (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-04, 23:10:38 (71.79.97.125)
I believe that the reinforcement peaks are not really that big and are not very broad. and depending on where your seat is it might not be audible. Best thing is that as peaks you can EQ them out, whi .......
248: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: MG-2A on the bench & building new base. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-03, 20:07:54 (71.79.97.125)
Mylar side forwards is a bit softer but more detailed and brighter. Magnet board forwards gets you better dynamics on transient snaps. .......
249: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Lots of Skylines! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-03, 14:15:43 (71.79.97.125)
Ray Kimber also had a hotel ballroom to put them in. .......
250: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Maggie 1.7: active XO + bi or tri amp?? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-03, 14:14:18 (71.79.97.125)
Many like the miniDSP, I dislike its DAC section and don't suggest anyone use it. You need to design a parallel network for the speaker to apply at the line level crossover - which you should do in t .......
251: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: MMG bass distortion at moderate levels. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-03, 14:08:55 (71.79.97.125)
The maggies need lots of space behind them, and are more agnostic about distance to the sidewalls, some placement schemes put the bass panels right at the sidewalls. Generally, they don't work where .......
252: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Progress (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-03, 13:59:35 (71.79.97.125)
Obviously it all got assembled and Josh is busy listening and we are not hearing a peep... .......
253: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: ALSYVOX (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-06-01, 10:05:32 (71.79.97.125)
The speakgraners are reported to be completely grand. The owner of a Leonardo, the Italian made predecessor from the same company before they moved to Spain, had a 20,1 before and said the new speaker .......
254: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Thanks, Satie ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-05-31, 07:27:00 (71.79.97.125)
I tend to prefer the PDR version so that I can run it as close to full range as possible, even if I lose extension on the bottom end. However, if you go for a traditional crossover then the Neo8S woul .......
255: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Thanks, Tim ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-05-30, 21:14:49 (71.79.97.125)
The way Josh and I mounted the Neos is by screwing them onto a subframe that goes into the TIV or TIVa midrange slot. I made mine from poplar or oak, Josh cut his out of Birch plywood IIRC. The drive .......
256: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: First listen to my Neo 8 array (Satie mod) (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-05-30, 13:18:51 (71.79.97.125)
I used 6 drivers so my FR stretches to 250 hz rather than the near 200 hz Josh is getting from 7.. The depression of the cavity resonance at 12 khz is not quite as good as Josh gets with the extra dri .......
257: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: First listen to my Neo 8 array (Satie mod) (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-05-29, 22:08:01 (71.79.97.125)
The Neo8s can sound like they need to clear their throats initially, but they will smooth out with breakin. Comparing to the 20.7 when it came out, my well broken in mids did as well as the big maggie .......
258: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Acoustat Spectra 8800 (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-05-29, 17:25:24 (71.79.97.125)
Great project. Looks great and I bet it sounds tremendous. I have seen a model 8 on photos "from the wild". .......
259: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: kafue1@hotmail.com how do you like your LRS speakers? I presume you have been listening to them... nt (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-05-27, 10:13:05 (71.79.97.125)
Great idea to stack them. Particularly as your ceilings easily accommodate it. Thanks for the mini review. Good to hear from an ESL guy's perspective. .......
260: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Ha! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-05-25, 10:30:22 (71.79.97.125)
Great memory of the Westminster. Really terrific. .......
261: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Favorite Room (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-05-23, 09:50:59 (71.79.97.125)
Now that is a more balanced room. Only missing hounds and your feet with fuzzy slippers. I recommend bunny slippers to keep your hound's attention. .......
262: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Favorite Room (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-05-22, 14:46:17 (71.79.97.125)
Despite its size, the room just looks too live. Need rugs Need window coverings and bookcases or wall treatments on the counter side Missing hounds and bric a brac Missing piles of unused equipment a .......
263: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Status of LRS shipment (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-05-21, 14:33:54 (71.79.97.125)
You can replace the bass panels with OB H frame subs and solve the space problem. You will have some thickness at the lower mids - upper bass, but that is not a high price to pay, and much easier to l .......
264: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Polystyrene vs wood Diffusors (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-05-19, 14:21:32 (71.79.97.125)
Shouldn't worry about blocking the bass traps with the diffusers unless they entirely seal the corner. Bass frequencies are large and will diffract around the diffusers and get absorbed in the bass tr .......
265: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: DWM "mid-woofery" (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-05-17, 14:24:49 (71.79.97.125)
So your mains are not processed? How do you get time alignment then? unless your subs etc are well closer to you than the mains. .......
266: Planar Speaker Asylum, Depends on whether you like Zen interiors (nt) (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-05-17, 14:15:23 (71.79.97.125)
nt .......
267: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Follow up to emailtim's diffuser post plus thread (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-05-16, 10:03:18 (71.79.97.125)
Like Josh said, you can use the book arrangement to give you well depths and widths that correspond to QED calculated values. It would not do much to help you organize, but it will sound better. The a .......
268: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: DWM "mid-woofery" (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-05-16, 09:52:43 (71.79.97.125)
That is in line with what I thought - as you extended the planar surface so you can get planar bass to a lower freq than before, and to a bit higher output. Overall it looks like a successful implemen .......
269: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Polar Bear in a snow storm - Where's Waldo (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-05-16, 09:47:01 (71.79.97.125)
Amazing that you ended up with such a zen look overall. The bass response is nothing short of amazing.. .......
270: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: DWM "mid-woofery" (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-05-15, 15:47:37 (71.79.97.125)
Definitely smoother bass. What do you hear? .......
271: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: hall ambience (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-05-12, 13:07:05 (71.79.97.125)
reflections off the surfaces of the hall rather than direct sound from the musicians etc. .......
272: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Any chance for tubes on these? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-05-11, 10:13:02 (71.79.97.125)
M180 should work well with a small maggie and even with a larger one if you use a subwoofer and restrict the main speaker's bass duties. .......
273: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Room comments for 20.7 (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-05-07, 22:22:37 (71.79.97.125)
Sounds like what I would try at first. Consider trying this room closer to a Limage setup with the speakers roughly 12-13 ft from the front wall and your listening seat close to the back wall (as clos .......
274: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Tell your friend to increase his budget (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-05-05, 14:02:46 (71.79.97.125)
It isn't as if a 50 watter won't work with the speaker at all, or go up in a puff of smoke, it is that it does not come close to filing out the speaker's output capabilities. .......
275: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 1$k integrated for LRS's? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-05-04, 14:09:08 (71.79.97.125)
Nice amp but not enough power for the LRS unless your friend listens only at moderate levels, and has a small space and can use a subwoofer to take off some of the amp's load. Otherwise, Look elsewher .......
276: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Dragonfire Acoustics: Desktop Planers (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-05-02, 03:18:27 (71.79.97.125)
The value discrepancy isn't quite that horrible as the satelites and sub system is $5k so "just" 3X more expensive. .......
277: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Great pic, Josh but ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-28, 07:41:29 (71.79.97.125)
Thank you for trying out the 30.7 at a more realistic level. Good to know that even big Boulder monos have a limit that is material to the user. So do we get a biamp version of the 30.7 so we could th .......
278: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: You're delusional, dclamb2 ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-26, 21:38:29 (71.79.97.125)
Yes, Ron's project was an amazing piece of CNC machining. .......
279: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: "with Satie's Neo8 midrange mod" ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-26, 21:35:18 (71.79.97.125)
My eventual plan is to make a new mid/tweeter frame with a narrow separation of tweeter and midrange sections so that they are just about touching at the flanges. I was originally planning on using a .......
280: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: "I'm coming from a different angle, Josh - Newton's 3rd Law" ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-26, 21:29:50 (71.79.97.125)
The baffle is moving and it is very effective to just damp the top to the sidewall via a dowel. The results are obvious. The main thing is that it makes a rigid shape that is not moving against the di .......
281: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: "Neo8 PDRs" ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-26, 21:07:14 (71.79.97.125)
The dropoff below 700hz going down to 300hz for a single Neo8 PDR driver is compensated for with the output at the bottom octave of the driver being additive in output, while the shorter wavelengths d .......
282: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Great pic, Josh but ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-24, 11:38:41 (71.79.97.125)
The performance with the mid tweeter panel inside and recessed backwards to provide delay compensation vs. the bass low pass works better than any other orientation. The bass loading by the sidewalls .......
283: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: "with Satie's Neo8 midrange mod" ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-24, 11:10:49 (71.79.97.125)
I remember looking at these and they don't seem to be capable enough on output, bottom end extension, and need to be doubled up side by side to get extension where you need it. don't recall what measu .......
284: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: ESL 57 vs Stacked ESL 57 (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-22, 20:45:32 (159.203.40.248)
Sorry, disregard my comment, I didn't read the text carefully .......
285: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: ESL 57 vs Stacked ESL 57 (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-22, 09:53:00 (37.120.130.26)
I think the crud on the impulse response for the stack is not that big though much bigger than the single. The waterfall plot is still worthy of legendary status for the stack as it is for the single .......
286: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: "A Few Hundred Watts per Channel"! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-21, 20:01:34 (71.79.97.125)
I got deeper into audiophilia when I couldn't sit at concert halls any longer because standard practice for the wood treatment changed from wax to teak oil in the late 80s and early 90s and I gag on t .......
287: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: DWM "mid-woofery" (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-21, 19:44:19 (71.79.97.125)
You definitely made the most of your processor to get this done right. Time alignment looks good. .......
288: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: The discussion at Magnepan about doing this (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-21, 19:37:39 (71.79.97.125)
So what are you running currently? .......
289: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Heard the LRS at Axpona (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-20, 15:28:51 (71.79.97.125)
Yes, so the go to would be stacked LRS? We should ask Grant for dedicated stands with dual driver frames to take the internal drivers and support them. Stacked .7s are a challenge to some rooms with l .......
290: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Heard the LRS at Axpona (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-20, 13:39:07 (71.79.97.125)
So that should work as an acoustic suspension ESL a la Janszen speakers. So much for wishing it to be a dipole. .......
291: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: DWM "mid-woofery" (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-20, 13:35:33 (71.79.97.125)
That is different from what I was thinking. So it isn't really doing general sub work but instead does woofer duty for the center and surrounds - cool idea, and should be workable with some tweaking o .......
292: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: anyone know if the 30.7 was at AXPONA? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-20, 12:44:06 (71.79.97.125)
The AXPONA visitors trecked down to Audio Consultant's store to hear the 30.7, thus causing some confusion as to whether it was in the show itself - it wasn't. As to the LRS in any way competing with .......
293: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: DWM "mid-woofery" (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-20, 12:39:49 (71.79.97.125)
That is workable, but you don't really need to do that, the DWM is meant to integrate with the mains rather than be used to cover a freq range as a subwoofer. So try it again with it getting its feed .......
294: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Heard the LRS at Axpona (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-20, 12:34:13 (71.79.97.125)
Didn't know that was an ESL tweeter on the T + A but saw that it would obviously be a planar. Do you know if it is setup as a dipole like the Genesis speakers, with a vented back? .......
295: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Heard the LRS at Axpona (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-19, 10:15:35 (71.79.97.125)
The ESL will always have the detail advantage over planar magnetics or even ribbons simply because its diaphragm does not have a "heavy" metal conductor on it. Perhaps one day we could use a carbon gr .......
296: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Quad ESL 57 and Quad II monoblocs come out of hibernation (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-19, 09:59:08 (71.79.97.125)
Now that you have confirmed the Quads are working fine, you can try your Corton Charlemagne and decide for yourself if they are a match. The Quad's wild impedance swings are not going to drive the amp .......
297: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Quad ESL 57 and Quad II monoblocs come out of hibernation (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-18, 19:43:06 (159.203.15.51)
Enjoy!!! Really nice system to have. .......
298: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Regarding "Cancelled my Magnepan 30.7 order" (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-17, 12:35:29 (159.203.36.52)
Still at high school my music teacher played his quads and Mac system (later DQ10) and made me an audiophile, he also used a KEF B139 TL subwoofer, which is what sparked this comment. By my senior yea .......
299: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Cancelled my Magnepan 30.7 order - sad experience - over 1 year wait and promises broken (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-14, 21:02:06 (37.120.130.50)
I don't think this is a common occurrence even for their flagship speaker. Most people who put in early orders were aware of the delay in production and the setbacks they had with suppliers. It is nev .......
300: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Cancelled my Magnepan 30.7 order - sad experience - over 1 year wait and promises broken (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-14, 16:34:41 (37.120.130.50)
I think you were given a bit of wishful thinking by the dealer as to when the 30.7 would be in regular production. They were presented as going into initial production in summer 2018, but supplier pro .......
301: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 1D and 4D (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-14, 16:14:33 (37.120.130.50)
The T-1D does not have a separate midrange, it has a tweeter panel working to 1khz and a midbass and bass panel that work in tandem from 1khz downwards. The midrange is split between the tweeter and b .......
302: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Cancelled my Magnepan 30.7 order - sad experience - over 1 year wait and promises broken (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-13, 18:08:12 (37.120.130.50)
Sorry that you had this experience. It was probably too early for them to have accepted orders as their production line was not setup yet, or even due to go "live" till just a short while ago. The reg .......
303: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: amps and power rating (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-07, 21:36:19 (71.79.97.125)
It is simply more expensive to provide the power supply that will do it so that power can rise inversely to load impedance. You can see Pass Krell and old DR series classe amps that are designed that .......
304: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Jumping back into the pool (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-07, 16:38:34 (71.79.97.125)
First, consider a large used maggie that will be able to fill that size room without forcing you into a near field listening position. A working Tympani IV or IVa model will cost about $2k depending o .......
305: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: My top 5 planer type speakers at AXPONA 2019 to listen too (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-07, 00:08:36 (71.79.97.125)
Any idea if this is dipole? The prototype Nudell built looks like it is a box. .......
306: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: With both driven by Atma-Sphere OTL amps, the Quads and the S7s... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-06, 12:05:08 (71.79.97.125)
i am surprised the Quads didn't do better at the top end and in transients. Imaging Should have been similar as both are point sources and the bulk of the imaging cues come from the Neo3PDR at the ce .......
307: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Hitting below the belt (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-06, 10:13:59 (71.79.97.125)
The Tympani bass panels, when placed at the sidewalls and braced top to bottom or to the sidewall will do 25hz flat and 20hz down a bit with 16hz audible. The amp does need to do over 1 kw @4ohms. Wi .......
308: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Hitting below the belt (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-05, 22:19:27 (71.79.97.125)
DWMs give you more uniform bass (same idea as the "Swarm" distributed bass) and a bit of extra bass dynamics and since they couple at very low frequencies with the main bass panels, they provide a bit .......
309: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Serenity Super-7s are back in my system (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-05, 22:13:40 (71.79.97.125)
So you replaced the First Watt amps? Looks good. What can you say comparing the Quad 2905 to these outside the obvious advantage the SS7 has in the bass? .......
310: Planar Speaker Asylum, Good one (nt) (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-04, 15:26:56 (178.128.232.48)
x .......
311: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: First LRS video review (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-04, 15:25:58 (178.128.232.48)
Walker audio used to sell lead blocks in brass housings for that purpose. Great idea. .......
312: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: First LRS video review (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-04, 11:41:50 (178.128.232.48)
You just need to dampen the top plate with a weight and damping material. In my rack I use a styrofoam block wedged between the top plate and the next shelf up. .......
313: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: First (?) review of the new Magnepan LRS (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-01, 13:01:45 (37.120.130.26)
People still decide between apples and oranges. .......
314: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: First LRS video review (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-01, 12:58:32 (37.120.130.26)
They are QRs of course, but the name is more about the performance than the particular technology type. Anyway, it is really good news that the new LRS is performing well beyond what you get from the .......
315: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: A room for Maggies (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-04-01, 12:33:37 (37.120.130.26)
Upgrading to a bigger maggie also gives you more dynamics, finer detail and faster midrange over the 3.7i. It isn't so much about bass. To the degree that it is about bass, it is the qualitative diffe .......
316: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: First (?) review of the new Magnepan LRS (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-30, 16:19:16 (71.79.97.125)
Very good reception. Hopefully it also holds up against the competing Elac and Golden Ear models. .......
317: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: A room for Maggies (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-30, 16:18:17 (71.79.97.125)
i would suggest that you target a room that allows for an eventual upgrade to a 20.7 or 30.7 or a Tympani restoration project. I doubt you would stay your whole life with the 3.7i. So you need somethi .......
318: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Price for Sawafuji Drivers? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-30, 09:42:56 (71.79.97.125)
The advantage is lower distortion just as you have with a BG Neo driver when loaded in its cup to create an air spring behind it. The voice coil with spider in a tight magnetic gap has fewer membrane .......
319: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: hmmmmm....for som e reason I thought this was a true ribbon tweeter for the MMG (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-28, 21:29:18 (71.79.97.125)
I was always under the impression that the offsets between the wires/traces and magnets increase as you go up the line to provide greater max output and greater dynamic range, so though overall output .......
320: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Here you go (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-27, 19:12:53 (71.79.97.125)
Yes, he could have passed for a millennial- 40 years ahead of time. .......
321: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Here you go (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-25, 15:48:43 (159.203.36.52)
My music teacher routinely used a dbx expander to fill out dynamics. Worked well, just a wee bit of pumping. Also benefited in reducing rumble and tape hiss and LP noise. .......
322: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: To all those who love ribbons and 'stats (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-23, 12:00:28 (71.79.97.125)
As large Romantic and later dramatic pieces are my go to music, I do want to have it all. And the cringe worthy steely strings and piercing brass are part of the emotional impact of a large scale piec .......
323: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: My DIY Story: nanoDIGI DSP based active crossover and 4 subwoofer integration (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-18, 10:02:44 (71.79.97.125)
I like how you have the option to do EQ with modern filters before entering the nanoDSP. You also solved a long run issue with DSP crossovers - low performing DAC and analog sections with the digital .......
324: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: new kid on the block (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-17, 08:54:45 (46.101.142.97)
IIRC the bass unit is a PP planar. Tweeter and mids are mounted right by each other in that narrow slot. .......
325: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Refurbish Quad 57, buy used Quad 2812 or conventional speaker (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-16, 16:13:34 (71.79.97.125)
I am saying that he is probably doing what he can and is still expecting to make a more or less full recovery, and he needs funding to cover his medical expenses. Do you really expect him to tell you .......
326: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Audio Consultants in Evanston (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-16, 10:05:18 (71.79.97.125)
Gold coast? More greenish grey But Audio Consultants are a great shop. Went to all their stores in 1982 when visiting my folks. Found great stuff in their used room. Heard my first maggie there. ::: T .......
327: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Refurbish Quad 57, buy used Quad 2812 or conventional speaker (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-15, 21:43:05 (71.79.97.125)
You said it yourself. He is seriously ill and may very well not have been able to do the work as he expected. He has a great rep for the quality of his work. Under the circumstances I would say give h .......
328: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 30.7's at Overture Wilmington, DE (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-14, 13:56:19 (71.79.97.125)
Filament heated? Never saw this tube in an amp before. Was looking to get an 805 based tube to get something around a 50W SET. But it might be easier to build with an 833 if you don't need the filamen .......
329: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 30.7's at Overture Wilmington, DE (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-13, 16:20:56 (71.79.97.125)
What is your tube complement? .......
330: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: new kid on the block (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-13, 12:19:17 (71.79.97.125)
For the midline .......
331: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: They are watching you (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-13, 12:18:51 (71.79.97.125)
New Studio standard? .......
332: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: new kid on the block (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-12, 09:43:34 (71.79.97.125)
This is the same as the old Leonardo from Italy. They moved to Spain. I guess they aren't alone since Italy is now in recession. .......
333: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Why no coaxial or co-xxx multiway planar? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-11, 14:55:42 (71.79.97.125)
Look at how MTM speakers are crossed over and how they lobe, you may not like what you see. Only the Apogee compound mid tweeter did it with a TMT design, on the Scintilla. I think that was very succ .......
334: Planar Speaker Asylum, Genesis 2 in CA (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-10, 17:10:58 (71.79.97.125)
Stumbled across this ad. Thought it might interest someone here. .......
335: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Here's a review that states 6 watts Class A (for the 21+)... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-10, 15:11:01 (71.79.97.125)
You are not obliged to go for the SOTA at your price point, you can keep one generation behind on the used market and save 50% or better. 80% if you sell off the old one when the 3rd generation comes .......
336: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Here's a review that states 6 watts Class A (for the 21+)... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-09, 14:18:47 (71.79.97.125)
Looks like they made an audiophile bargain even a better deal at the higher price of the A21+ Good deal.Maggie fans will no doubt appreciate the little bit of extra power. .......
337: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Blinds as diffusers (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-09, 11:31:48 (71.79.97.125)
I did think of using fabric covered vertical blinds as diffusers. But have not done so myself. The idea was to be able to tune the degree of diffusion on a window to find a good balance. But those bli .......
338: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Rewiring Reimagined! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-08, 23:18:43 (71.79.97.125)
Can't work since the wires will not leave an area of mylar only to act as a suspension. It would be too stiff. .......
339: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 30.7's in New Haven -- in a word, amazing. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-08, 06:42:26 (71.79.97.125)
From my own experiments in placement, one of the big advantages of having a separate bass panel is that you can put it at the sidewall and gain from the deepest bass room modes and lower dipole cancel .......
340: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 30.7 and Steve Guttenburg at Lyric (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-08, 06:38:02 (71.79.97.125)
Just occurred to me that they have to make sure the midbass diaphragm isn't modulated by the bass so it would need to have that separation by a clamping strip and have the extra strut for rigidity. Ot .......
341: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 30.7 and Steve Guttenburg at Lyric (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-07, 13:22:15 (71.79.97.125)
I suspect it is a structural element perhaps using the space between the bass traces and the midbass trace as convenient pinch points to put it in (like the clamping strip in the 3.6), as the narrow b .......
342: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 30.7's in New Haven -- in a word, amazing. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-07, 10:42:26 (71.79.97.125)
Great description. I hope we all get a chance to hear the 30.7. It seems to be all we could have hoped for in the Tympani configuration. Finally the large planar we all wished the Tympani could be. N .......
343: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Woo hoo- (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-05, 22:22:14 (71.79.97.125)
Just be careful and raise the volume slowly in case you didn't catch everything that went wrong. .......
344: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Refurbish Quad 57, buy used Quad 2812 or conventional speaker (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-05, 11:55:07 (71.79.97.125)
Another option is to go for an old Acoustat. They generally last long and are far cheaper than what you are looking at. My favorite real room models are the 2+2 and its Spectra successor 4400 in the .......
345: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: New room-Difussion treatment help please (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-04, 15:51:22 (71.79.97.125)
Looks right Look for other additional treatments if you need them. .......
346: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Acoustat Spectra 11: left electrostat damp and subwoofer replacement (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-02, 11:45:24 (71.79.97.125)
In that case, look into opening up the speaker, inspect the driver for problems in the wires and felt and then the membrane and clean up the dust from the mylar using the "bathtub" method. Look it up .......
347: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: MAgneplanar 3.7 Makeover (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-02, 07:26:01 (71.79.97.125)
Really among the most gorgeous reframing projects I have ever seen. I am still suspect about the strings, but assuming you listened with and without and preferred them on, perhaps they are fine as a s .......
348: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Acoustat Spectra 11: left electrostat damp and subwoofer replacement (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-02, 07:21:25 (71.79.97.125)
1. dry out the speakers and try them then. That should tell you if the moisture damaged anything permanently. 2. The bass driver can be refoamed - which you can get done by your local pro audio or spe .......
349: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 30.7's at Fairless Hills, PA - WOW (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-03-02, 07:16:01 (71.79.97.125)
I do think that the spatial qualities are very much dependent on first arrivals vs. reflections + differential first arrivals from other parts of the driver. I firmly believe that planar drivers have .......
350: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Speaking of tweeter rebuilds .... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-27, 13:41:37 (71.79.97.125)
Neo10 drivers for mids, and the 20.1 bass panel. .......
351: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Axpona - first time going to any show (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-26, 19:57:53 (71.79.97.125)
Everyone complains about small rooms with bad acoustic proportions. But getting to show in a large space has its own challenges. Particularly loading it with bass. BTW, I am not going. .......
352: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Magna Riser Stands (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-24, 21:09:34 (71.79.97.125)
That can work too, so long as the T frame reaches to at least the top 1/3rd of the speaker. .......
353: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: bummer..my 20s are down for a while (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-24, 20:12:47 (71.79.97.125)
The jacks have to go in any case since the insulation is what holds the parts away from each other and from the wires attached at the pins. . But do start by testing it out on a speaker you can sacrif .......
354: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: KLH 9 comeback (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-23, 22:57:39 (71.79.97.125)
Hopefully more than the original design would be involved. ESL materials have improved, so you can do more with the same footprint. .......
355: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: I should've done this months ago (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-23, 21:22:42 (71.79.97.125)
You can get yourself a large cushion to stack on the sofa for listening, and a board to stick behind you to extend the back rest. Some have raised the sofa on a platform. Was worth a try, right? ::: .......
356: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Magna Riser Stands (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-23, 21:15:30 (71.79.97.125)
I don't think there is a consensus, most participants have gone either DIY or with Mye stands from Grant. Those have a cross brace that makes the speaker structure rigid and it is a feature lacking in .......
357: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Magneplanar 20.1 serial No. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-23, 21:12:51 (71.79.97.125)
If considering one for purchase the seller can supply the SN and Magnepan be contacted to provide the production year. Under what other circumstances would you care .......
358: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Dual DWM with Super MMGs (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-23, 09:35:43 (71.79.97.125)
Use one coil per DWM and hook up the HP output to the one MMG on that side. You will make use of one voice coil per DWM. .......
359: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Magna Riser Stands (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-23, 09:32:09 (71.79.97.125)
I like the speaker to be perfectly vertical and sit at the acoustic center of the tweeter (and midrange) by raising my chair. The alternative of tilting the speaker forward creates a shift in soundsta .......
360: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Magneplanar 20.1 serial No. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-23, 09:25:04 (71.79.97.125)
Magnepan keeps records of serial no. and production info so you can just call them with the serial no and they can tell you what year it was made. You don't really need a public database .......
361: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Axpona - first time going to any show (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-20, 19:41:27 (71.79.97.125)
The Vandy 7 is a really great model to start learning how good stereo can sound. It also has the benefit of relatively easy setup so you can have a good setup at the dealer's. .......
362: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: active biamp amplifier gain (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-18, 09:38:12 (71.79.97.125)
12 step should be fine for most of us. If you find that switching up or down 1 step leaves you with 2 unpallatable choices - say topless or bottomless then you need finer tuning. .......
363: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: active biamp amplifier gain (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-16, 19:01:58 (71.79.97.125)
Run a frequency response and that should tell you how far up or down the settings should be relative to each other. You can also go by ear with music to satisfy your sense of reality of the performan .......
364: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Thoughts on custom room (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-15, 22:01:27 (71.79.97.125)
It is worth it for a studio, where you would have had specialized crews building, but for the home it is usually more expensive to construct. My listening room walls are wainscoting over fiber insula .......
365: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Hypex NC400 class D amps (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-15, 18:22:31 (71.79.97.125)
My point was that the losses in producing acoustic energy are not necessarily due to losses in the suspension - which is where back emf is generated - the acoustic output includes what comes out the b .......
366: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Hypex NC400 class D amps (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-15, 14:02:56 (71.79.97.125)
The acoustic efficiency of the motor is not in question in looking at the back EMF. It is the energy put into the stretching of the Mylar which is returned with similar air resistance damping of the M .......
367: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Hypex NC400 class D amps (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-15, 01:02:37 (71.79.97.125)
The low modulus and the narrow area available for expansion in the vertical gives you a spring behavior more than the lossy rubber band behavior of suspended drivers like conventional cones. Hence gre .......
368: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Hypex NC400 class D amps (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-14, 19:55:01 (71.79.97.125)
The maggie does produce a back EMF because of its stiff diaphragm. The damping comes in useful. .......
369: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Thoughts on custom room (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-13, 18:45:35 (71.79.97.125)
Now that is absolutely gorgeous. Yes, I was trying to point out that the 3.7 might be a bit light sounding in that size room - meaning that you would be using the subwoofers to cover a larger portion .......
370: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Thoughts on custom room (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-13, 18:40:17 (71.79.97.125)
I think the non-parallel wall is not worth it. If you want to break up the wall to wall resonances then load the walls strategically with heavy dense furnishings like full book cases and cabinets. Won .......
371: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Thoughts on custom room (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-13, 09:35:07 (71.79.97.125)
The room dimensions Grant suggested are as good as any, but a bit on the large side. Would accommodate a 30.7 easily. Going bigger would start requiring heavy subwoofer augmentation. Considering that .......
372: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Hypex NC400 class D amps (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-11, 21:43:34 (71.79.97.125)
I Don't specifically recall that there was an audition reported with a 3.6R. Perhaps with a 20.1 .......
373: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: HT ? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-11, 15:24:48 (71.79.97.125)
Second that idea. If you have your screen is on the narrow wall, then placement in the Limage setup might work - meaning near the side walls close to the center of the sidewall. .......
374: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Hypex NC400 class D amps (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-11, 15:21:40 (71.79.97.125)
Yes some folks have tried them. There is discussion in the forum. So do a search of the forum. Also look at the amplifier forum. .......
375: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: HT ? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-09, 23:55:18 (71.79.97.125)
You mean for center? .......
376: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Fixing my MG IIB's (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-08, 22:10:44 (71.79.97.125)
DAP works, only problem is that if you screw it up it is difficult to remove. If you want to save the sock then you just need to be careful when removing the staples and pulling the old sock off. The .......
377: Planar Speaker Asylum, KLH 9 comeback (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-08, 15:41:32 (71.79.97.125)
From the general speaker asylum The "review" is of the original model 9 in a modern setting. .......
378: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Quad 57's just wanted 2 say... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-08, 15:09:18 (71.79.97.125)
As the speakers that got me interested in audio and revealed to me what was possible in detail retrieval, I very much appreciate them even if they were too lacking in output capacity for my prefereces .......
379: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: trying to maximize the 20.7's, a journey.... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-02-07, 09:35:36 (71.79.97.125)
Great that the DCS Bartok fixed the digital top end. Good DSD/SACD generally solved it for me. But my way outdated Musical Fidelity DAC didn't have that much of a digital hardness. When the time come .......
380: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Yes, but... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-01-31, 08:00:45 (71.79.97.125)
That is rough. Not really listening. Just keeping up with the fire and going on with routine. .......
381: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Here's a new post! :) (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-01-30, 19:47:34 (71.79.97.125)
Looks lovely. Great choice of equipment. Just missing a big R2R tape machine to play 1st gen copies of masters on 1/2" tape @15ips. A Dr. audiophile acquaintance of mine just got one and started coll .......
382: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Yes, but... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-01-30, 19:38:04 (71.79.97.125)
-5 F, wind chill -27 F here. Collected wood from the wood pile. All logs were stuck together by ice, had to whack them apart. The fireplace is keeping the house toasty. I don't think the heating syst .......
383: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: repairing my MG II's (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-01-30, 08:39:07 (71.79.97.125)
You can use sock handling and regluing instructions from other models. .......
384: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Hello! Is anyone out there? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-01-30, 08:33:37 (71.79.97.125)
We are here but activity is limited. The FB maggie group is more active. We don't seem to be attracting maggie enthusiasts here rather than FB. .......
385: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: That's a pretty big room! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-01-29, 19:29:07 (71.79.97.125)
Feet Look up his photos of his listening room. .......
386: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Attractive "Gunned" Maggies (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-01-26, 08:36:16 (71.79.97.125)
I think the PG polar response is different from stock maggies because of the crossover change. His speakers seem to have a narrower lobe to listen to with the flattest FR. The original speaker is desi .......
387: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Quad ESL 63 vs 2912 (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-01-26, 08:23:50 (71.79.97.125)
Great placement. Must be phenomenal soundstaging. Cool rocking sheep? fuzzy pony? .......
388: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: "Goetz cables are high capacitance" ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-01-16, 09:27:02 (71.79.97.125)
Goertz cable users suggest you contact your amp manufacturer to ask. If you have reports of your amp model not surviving Goertz cables then just don't use them. The gain is SQ pales in the face of ris .......
389: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 3.7i EQ question (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-01-16, 09:13:57 (71.79.97.125)
I agree with Roger's suggestions. If the depression the EQ is trying to correct is actually bothersome to you then go ahead and correct for it - just not to 7db - 3-4 db is a non issue - so that level .......
390: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: New frequency response (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-01-11, 09:54:35 (71.79.97.125)
Those are terrible peaks. They should both be very audible. Nothing like that ever showed up on any maggie measurements I have ever seen. As a band aid solution you can try to EQ the two peaks out in .......
391: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: New frequency response (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-01-08, 20:47:54 (71.79.97.125)
It looks like there is no sign of a bump in the offending region, and it also seems that the microphone is not calibrated or your cantata recording does not come close to covering the frequency spectr .......
392: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Leaving my DAC always on helps a lot (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-01-08, 16:03:16 (71.79.97.125)
If you can repeat the measurement in a frequency sweep and do a 1/6th or 1/3 octave smoothing with the signal at listening volume, that might make the measurement easier to read and more meaningful. A .......
393: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Leaving my DAC always on helps a lot (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-01-07, 20:28:19 (71.79.97.125)
How long have you had the Gugnir multibit? it is notoriously slow to break in and needs a while to warm up with every turn on. Can you measure the freq response (mic/spl meter and test file or softwar .......
394: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Its complicated for most folks to biamp (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-01-06, 21:52:17 (71.79.97.125)
I started biamping as soon as I got my speakers. I went line level a couple of years later. The concept and how to do it were pretty clear to me. But that would not be the case for most folks without .......
395: Planar Speaker Asylum, Its complicated for most folks to biamp (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-01-06, 16:01:23 (71.79.97.125)
The crossover setup is the worst problem. DEQX have speaker specific files to download into their XOs for settings but it is not generally available for other crossovers for anyone who doesn't know ho .......
396: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Subwoofer(s) not required...... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-01-05, 21:09:17 (71.79.97.125)
That is lovely. Good thinking there. I strongly suggest you go to active biamping next. When you do, you can get a bottom end amp that is more powerful and release the top end amp from the heavy lifti .......
397: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: What does your post have to do with this thread? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-01-05, 20:54:17 (71.79.97.125)
And they got to sell those lovely tube crossovers too. .......
398: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: great article on Apogee; 20 yrs after it's creation/shortly after it's demise (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2019-01-01, 21:33:13 (71.79.97.125)
I am with you on the Scinnies and Diva vs. Maggies up to the prior generation. I don't know about the current 20.7 and 30.7 - they worked out some midrange issues that kept them from matching Apogees .......
399: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: A Tympany quesrion (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-31, 13:25:17 (71.79.97.125)
Can't disagree about the look of the old OEM feet. But it is not a likely candidate for better looking DIY work - at least from my hands. But you can obviously build better feet/struts/frames. ::: TOP .......
400: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: A Tympany quesrion (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-31, 00:12:17 (71.79.97.125)
I am going to guess you can get original feet from Magnepan, I would suggest that you separate the bass panels from the tweeter panel (assuming these are T 1D) and use one set of feet for those, then .......
401: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: trying to maximize the 20.7's, a journey.... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-30, 22:03:48 (71.79.97.125)
The speaker panels may be a source of trouble in self noise. The driver's magnet boards tend to ring, and you can treat that in a few ways that require work underneath the socks or a simple but awkwar .......
402: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: great article on Apogee; 20 yrs after it's creation/shortly after it's demise (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-30, 10:40:56 (71.79.97.125)
Like Roger said, Most do not like 1 ohm loads. The Crown MacroTech series did well with low loads but check out the specs to see an actual 1 ohm specification. Usually the few that spec to handle 1 oh .......
403: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: great article on Apogee; 20 yrs after it's creation/shortly after it's demise (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-29, 19:49:37 (71.79.97.125)
I remember the original review on HFN. The excitement was jumping off the page. Having heard T 1D and MGIIIA and the Beveridge a few years before, I could believe their excitement was about something .......
404: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: trying to maximize the 20.7's, a journey.... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-29, 19:20:04 (71.79.97.125)
Looks like you ended up with a Limage setup. Curious to see if moving the curtains make a difference any longer. Do tell us what the DCS does over the PS Audio original. .......
405: Planar Speaker Asylum, A very Merry to all!! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-25, 21:18:07 (71.79.97.125)
indeed .......
406: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: audio research D79B using the 8 ohm output tap (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-25, 21:17:27 (71.79.97.125)
Likely going to be fine, but that will make for more variance in freq. response than the 4 ohm tap, particularly a drop off at the top octave and a midrange hump. Since the main crossover is out of th .......
407: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: google search...? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-24, 18:46:06 (71.79.97.125)
Were the amps transformer coupled? I think those were the ones I heard briefly in Chicago/Evanston. Super impressive. Most lifelike imaging I heard ever. .......
408: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Found!? Acoustat X (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-23, 19:46:58 (71.79.97.125)
I was thinking of those. but they are not tall. I think the Beveridge had a direct drive model which was tall, but it is no panel speaker. Did Acoustat have an active version of the Spectra 6600? ::: .......
409: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: "I've tried "box" subs with Magneplanars" ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-23, 19:41:18 (71.79.97.125)
deqx is used with a calibrated mic. They do have preset values for particular speaker models if you don't trust your measurements. But I concur about subs, even sealed ones not being exactly the same .......
410: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Do Acoustat's not have the bass problems of Maggies (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-21, 16:19:36 (71.79.97.125)
My experience of the 2+2 was a few weeks in a rather large room where they were placed far from the boundaries. There was no substantial bass below 50 hz without a subwoofer. It did produce notes down .......
411: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Spectra 44s playing! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-19, 22:39:08 (71.79.97.125)
Low hanging ceilings here prevented me from looking at 2+2/spectra 4400 and MG20.x. I am happy with what I did with the Tympani IV, which has some headroom above - though not much. Nice to see a kind .......
412: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Infinity RS-II (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-19, 22:34:20 (71.79.97.125)
They are very nice speakers, but don't get the mids and top octave quite as well as the RSIIB, which has planar drivers - they can be substituted with NEO8 drivers if they are broken. .......
413: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Do Acoustat's not have the bass problems of Maggies (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-19, 22:29:59 (71.79.97.125)
The 2+2 has no useful output below 50 hz. So you don't have much room mode interference. Old Tympani IV models, the 20.x models and more so the 30.7 have substantial output below 50 hz, and down to 20 .......
414: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Spectra 44s playing! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-16, 20:16:43 (71.79.97.125)
Where did you depart from the original design? Parts in the interface, etc. .......
415: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: "Total volume of room is 2850 cubic feet" ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-15, 14:22:49 (71.79.97.125)
You can place your sub on a "sub-dude" platform that is designed to restrict the coupling to the floor so that you don't disturb your neighbors. .......
416: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Does anyone know the weight of the 20.7 (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-13, 18:09:11 (71.79.97.125)
I read your Q as 30.7 .......
417: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Experience with Rythmik subs (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-12, 20:33:20 (71.79.97.125)
Take a look at the Dayton Audio subwoofers from Parts Express, they are rather good. The kits are a terrific value and most kits provide you the option of keeping them sealed - which matches better wi .......
418: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Does anyone know the weight of the 20.7 (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-12, 20:26:15 (71.79.97.125)
I am guessing about 450 lb shipping weight. The 20.7 is 350 lb Probably 150lb each bass unit. .......
419: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Magneplanar MG-IIA Where/how should I begin? Testing Impedence Right Speaker (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-11, 20:55:38 (71.79.97.125)
Didn't know that about the MG2 models. Count me an ignoramus on the topic. .......
420: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Why? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-11, 20:34:50 (71.79.97.125)
The tilt changes the height perspective of the presentation. Some like it higher and some like it lower. .......
421: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Magneplanar MG-IIA Where/how should I begin? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-11, 19:02:00 (71.79.97.125)
On some pictures you can see the wire on the tweeter section. If that is the case and the empty strip is just an optical illusion or one of the side stiffening steel strips. If the tweeter wires are t .......
422: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Why? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-11, 10:48:12 (71.79.97.125)
Then get some from magnepan or make some from 90 degree angle brackets. There are some with hole spacing identical to the threaded magnepan holes. .......
423: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Why Only Maggies Discussed on the Forum? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-11, 09:20:32 (71.79.97.125)
BTW Magnepan post on the facebook group by Mr Eric Norgarten but they don't operate a forum .......
424: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Why? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-11, 09:18:16 (71.79.97.125)
Shouldn't But you can have your tilt as you like by lifting the front or back legs .......
425: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Magneplanar MG-IIA Where/how should I begin? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-11, 09:16:26 (71.79.97.125)
The blank portion of the panel is where the tweeter wire should be. .......
426: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 30.7 in Sweden (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-11, 07:06:52 (71.79.97.125)
I have used the TIV/Neo8 in that config on the 19/20 ft wall, but on the 17 ft wall the bookcases narrow it down to 14 and a bit and there tweeters out did not work but with one position which was awk .......
427: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Why Only Maggies Discussed on the Forum? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-11, 06:52:17 (71.79.97.125)
Still discussed on the Graz Apogee forum. http://www.apogeeacoustics.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=4&sid=b60889b7a755e82b4eb405e4df5942bb And on whats best forum on a couple of long threads. .......
428: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 30.7 in Sweden (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-10, 20:33:59 (71.79.97.125)
The 30.7 are pretty much the size of Tympanis so 18 ft on their wall should be about a comfortable fit as you can place the bass at the sidewalls leaving you with up to 11 ft between the tweeters. As .......
429: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: A few points. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-10, 12:08:19 (71.79.97.125)
Same points. The bulk of Lartin Logan discussions goes on at their forum and Audiogon. I don't know where soundlabs are discussed. The Apogees are discussed on their board. So there is little reason t .......
430: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 30.7 in Sweden (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-08, 12:04:05 (71.79.97.125)
You don't need that much space for the speakers - that looks like a 20X30 room - which is very large for even a 30.7 or Tympani. .......
431: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Magneplanar MG-IIA Where/how should I begin? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-08, 12:02:15 (71.79.97.125)
You need to disconnect the speaker from the amp before measuring. Then you need to specify where you are taking measurements. To measure the panel wiring you will need to disconnect the crossover conn .......
432: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Update (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-04, 00:07:52 (71.79.97.125)
Can't really do much more than that on the tweeters. Net of the absorption panel it will likely buy you only 8 more inches of spacing. I am surprised that you had not met with some tweeter issues so c .......
433: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: consider Mye stands (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-04, 00:01:01 (71.79.97.125)
I thought you already have rigid stands you designed. .......
434: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: trying to maximize the 20.7's, a journey.... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-12-03, 08:30:29 (71.79.97.125)
I would say you pretty much did all you should do, with the exception of trying to get the tweeters out position optimized. You probably want to take the tweeters out a bit further towards the side wa .......
435: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: "Wow! 3rd repair in the last 4 years" ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-11-28, 21:50:51 (71.79.97.125)
The high volume players face more failures than others as amps clip and the high power ones that don't can have outputs into the danger zone for the 100V caps etc. in the crossover. We just need to wa .......
436: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: MG-II's (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-11-21, 10:24:46 (71.79.97.125)
I think Magnepan is a manufacturer rather than a craft shop, so it would not make sense for them to do what you are suggesting. The high end of the audiophile market is where this would be. There are .......
437: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: MG-II's (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-11-20, 21:37:26 (71.79.97.125)
The thermal issue is what matters - and not to the metal fatigue but to preventing the mylar from melting. GT Audio use copper film etched on the diaphragm, but they have a neo magnet structure so pr .......
438: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: MG-II's (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-11-20, 19:10:49 (71.79.97.125)
It is a density vs. resistivity calculation and copper is a slightly better conductor but is far denser, since resistivity is similar you can't use a thinner copper wire (it would heat up more) so the .......
439: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: One thing is for sure... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-11-20, 12:48:38 (71.79.97.125)
The DWM was designed for the mini mag, not as a sub for the MC2, though it fills that slot too. For the super combos, you use 2 DWMs. Which is what you should have been doing. Agree that one is not en .......
440: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Will 30.7 fit in my room... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-11-11, 20:41:35 (71.79.97.125)
I have Tympani setup comfortably in a 17 X 20 room. Thanks to the opening (assuming it is your back "wall"), your room would do well for the 30.7, it is wide enough with a bit of wiggle room, but woul .......
441: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: "Maggie Slap"? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-11-07, 12:40:32 (71.79.97.125)
Happens. E.g. I generate slap at 108db @20 hz. going up to 25 hz at the same vol setting it is gone. You get slap at higher freq when the top of the speaker is unbraced (in my case to the wall via a d .......
442: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Ideally... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-11-04, 21:35:04 (71.79.97.125)
The extension was of the freq range at which you have a line source behavior. The other issue is that the radiation pattern holds together better (to lower frequencies, and to longer distances) when t .......
443: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Ideally... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-11-04, 13:25:36 (71.79.97.125)
The radiation pattern of a planar line source has little in the vertical dimension, so the actual effect of floor and ceiling reflections is less than one would expect for the prediction from the infi .......
444: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Thinking of moving on from 3.7i (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-11-04, 13:08:39 (71.79.97.125)
Having tried a few approaches to making bad pop recordings listenable, I think this one is one of the more fun ones and can provide some vivid tonal effects as well as complementary spatial distortion .......
445: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: A project I did a few years ago. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-11-04, 13:05:47 (71.79.97.125)
Not interceding in the calculation debate. So much success has been reported with these at various well depths and 2X2 or 2X4 panels that I don't expect you to suffer much if the diffusion frequencies .......
446: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Thinking of moving on from 3.7i (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-11-03, 13:07:48 (71.79.97.125)
Better solution??? .......
447: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Thinking of moving on from 3.7i (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-11-02, 22:08:56 (71.79.97.125)
That is a downside in resolving tweeters like the maggie ribbon. It shows up in gory detail all the shenanigans going on in the pop music recording studio. I would rather keep the resolution and have .......
448: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: What are your current 20.1 Point/Slope values ? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-11-02, 13:59:57 (71.79.97.125)
The problem is the HP 6 db at 300. I would raise to 400 and use the low pass suggested by magnepan adjusted upwards to the higher freq. So something like Butterworth 18 db at 150 or even 200 - ask Mar .......
449: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Stiff up the frames! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-11-02, 13:47:41 (71.79.97.125)
I think the walls in my case don't contribute much. It is a basement The interior surface is hardboard over fiberglass batting and behind that is cement block buried in the ground - so it has to be w .......
450: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Stacked Magnepans (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-11-01, 19:23:16 (71.79.97.125)
Yes, you will need to rework the crossover values according to whether you combine drivers in series or parallel. One thing you won't be able to do is use the same crossover. Again, if you retain the .......
451: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Stacked Magnepans (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-31, 10:47:22 (71.79.97.125)
The speaker to use would be the one with the best performing tweeter and the largest surface area that you can afford to use for the project. The unified crossover would allow you to customize the cr .......
452: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 20.1 Internal XO (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-31, 10:36:02 (71.79.97.125)
As Davey and yourself have concluded, the cap is shorting so you should replace it yourself with one or several stacked together at higher temperature ratings. Those are usually better at higher volta .......
453: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: What are your current 20.1 Point/Slope values ? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-30, 19:56:17 (71.79.97.125)
Symmetrical means same slope and elbow freq on both high pass and low pass portions of the XO. The maggie XO slopes and elbow freq are different for LP and HP and they are spaced about an octave apart .......
454: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: What are your current 20.1 Point/Slope values ? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-29, 21:53:00 (71.79.97.125)
Once you have it fixed, and I am assuming you burned another mid panel, then move the XO up a bit on the high pass section- say to 400 hz or a wee bit more. Having that little bit less bass passing th .......
455: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 20.1 Internal XO (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-29, 20:33:42 (71.79.97.125)
You have to do as you said, take out the staples etc.. The cloth is not really reparable if you cut it. .......
456: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Continuing 20.1 issues after tweeter replacement (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-28, 19:29:06 (71.79.97.125)
I would guess that it is more likely that you have a weak solder joint and thus a part in the crosover might be disconnected (possibly intermittently) - probably something in shunt position. If you su .......
457: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 20.1 midrange issues (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-28, 19:23:20 (71.79.97.125)
IIRC you had your problem in biamp config. You then raised the XO freq - do you remember how? .......
458: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: But not with the 30.7 (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-28, 19:20:26 (71.79.97.125)
I solved it by placing the mid tweeter behind in the tweeters in config and further out than equidistant in tweeters out - when using asymmetrical crossovers, and equidistant when using symmetrical. W .......
459: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Impressive. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-26, 17:55:17 (71.79.97.125)
All depends on whether your main amp is good enough on both SQ and power, then the biamp benefit is not quite as gigantic over upgrading the speaker level XO. But I don't know in this case since I hav .......
460: Planar Speaker Asylum, But not with the 30.7 (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-26, 17:50:55 (71.79.97.125)
That is since the T1D has a symmetrical crossover while the 30.7 is supposed to be time aligned with a more complex series crossover. .......
461: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Aah, I see where you're coming from! ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-19, 09:50:56 (71.79.97.125)
I was thinking of the curved baffle a la IRS mid tweet towers. Not just rounding the edges. I don't think it is that useful for a dipole since there is cancellation at the baffle edge so controlling d .......
462: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Why are used 3.6, 3.7, 3.7i so hard to find? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-18, 12:28:37 (71.79.97.125)
Millenials are no longer all under 30. Our 30 and a bit neighbors as of last year have 3 kids including newborn twins just after moving in. Working hard shift work. There is little chance of people ma .......
463: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: MG3.6 Re-makeover - conclusion (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-18, 12:11:19 (71.79.97.125)
The results look wonderful. The impulse response is very pretty. Nicer than all of the crossover experiments you showed in your crossover post. So which alignment did you choose that produced this? Di .......
464: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Did someone say line array ? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-18, 12:02:24 (71.79.97.125)
Listeners so far have compared them favorably to maggies, even with a single pair of H frame subs. Lots of bass available. Pricing is competitive with the MG20.7 I don't know about the 200hz sub cross .......
465: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Aah, I see where you're coming from! ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-16, 19:50:09 (71.79.97.125)
Love to do that but that is more work than I think I could handle. .......
466: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Alsyvox's Botticelli planer magnetic at RMAF 2018 (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-16, 19:46:11 (71.79.97.125)
I had a discussion with one guy who switched from a MG20.1 to a Leonardo (Alsyvox Botticelli) and he was very impressed and said it easily outdid the 20.1 but the tweeters were about even in performan .......
467: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: MG 3.6 re-makeover - New crossover prototypes (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-16, 19:43:31 (71.79.97.125)
There seems to be an offset mismatch in the 3.7 version causing a crossover suckout and a smeared step response, try to find the right toe in to make it compensate for the offset mismatch with the XO .......
468: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Aah, I see where you're coming from! ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-16, 19:35:29 (71.79.97.125)
I would do BB ply bitumen/rubber coat and aluminum or steel. Use PG's through hole bolt mounting. .......
469: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: and the connection.. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-14, 11:25:33 (71.79.97.125)
The OEM maggies have the drivers floated in the MDF frames so they are essentially decoupled. The PG idea is to 1. tightly bind the drivers to the frame using through bolts. 2. use a stiffer material .......
470: Planar Speaker Asylum, Gorgeous!!!. Probably the prettiest 3.x reframing I have ever seen. (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-13, 14:32:28 (71.79.97.125)
I was wondering though, if the slats have any vibration of their own to contribute to speaker noise, or are they pretty much inert? .......
471: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Stiff up the frames! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-13, 14:28:03 (71.79.97.125)
Perfectly reasonable and what you would expect from a more rigid frame with less ability to store energy in large body vibration. Lower mass framing would also reduce energy storage. Your results are .......
472: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Amps used for Sanders 10e speakers (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-06, 14:48:35 (71.79.97.125)
Pass near class A amps should be a good match and large tube amps. .......
473: Planar Speaker Asylum, Wonderful (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-06, 14:45:24 (71.79.97.125)
Now you have your choices of nirvanas. .......
474: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: add on tweeter (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-06, 14:42:45 (71.79.97.125)
The situation is likely due to something else rather than the tweeter in the maggies, most likely an amp that is producing distortion or a dac with a bad filer. .......
475: Planar Speaker Asylum, Like Roger said (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-03, 19:10:27 (71.79.97.125)
It is a great deal for a working pair of Tympani 1D. Take it, use what you need. Use the other bass panels for distributed bass or whatever. If all fails, sell it on. I expect you would come ahead on .......
476: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 20.1 tweeter raspy sound (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-02, 20:16:40 (71.79.97.125)
That does sound like a loose tweeter with missing suspension dots. You can get a replacement tweeter from Magnepan - not a big expense. .......
477: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Tympani 1D 3 - $300 (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-02, 13:27:58 (71.79.97.125)
Not quite the same. The DWM are push pull drivers and theses are single ended. So the DWM can do more with less area, but it is much much less. So you would want to have several DWMs, perhaps stacked .......
478: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Calculation for serial XO (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-02, 13:23:33 (71.79.97.125)
Use an iterative scheme like Runge Kutta http://pages.mtu.edu/~tbco/cm416/RKTutorial.html There are spreadsheet examples you can copy. Or use WAG on one of the online series XO calculators till you hi .......
479: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: "I find them to be boosted in the midrange" ... (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-10-01, 13:44:19 (71.79.97.125)
The calculators for parallel configs will not give the same results for a series crossover since the two active components interact together and with the drivers. If you have confidence in the MMG ser .......
480: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Concerning room size? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-09-21, 20:56:16 (71.79.97.125)
Larger rooms need less treatment, particularly if there is something in the way of real furniture and various surface materials rather than the stereo you and Zen, as is often the case for listening r .......
481: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Why are used 3.6, 3.7, 3.7i so hard to find? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-09-20, 22:42:57 (71.79.97.125)
It is part of the general demographic waves and the waves of audio purchases coinciding with a number of years past the point of moving into new homes. The millennial generation is still in flatshares .......
482: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 30.7's on the way! (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-09-20, 14:28:50 (71.79.97.125)
Congrats to Magnepan on shipping the first production line 30.7 speakers. I'm sure some happy customers are waiting with baited breath to get the shipping crates into their homes. .......
483: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Tympani 1D rewire jig request (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-09-13, 09:29:17 (71.79.97.125)
OK so it is still the same process. The jigs are rather obvious as to design and function. .......
484: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Tympani 1D rewire jig request (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-09-11, 10:02:32 (71.79.97.125)
They used jigs to place wire, I think they pressed down with bars but I didn't see them do it. The flat wire/foil seems to be put on by hand. .......
485: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Tympani 1D rewire jig request (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-09-10, 21:26:26 (71.79.97.125)
I am suggesting you go by the low resonance for each kind of panel. The L and R panels should be complementary in their resonances to each other. You can target the written resonances when stretching .......
486: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Tympani 1D rewire jig request (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-09-09, 13:07:57 (71.79.97.125)
You can just use the DC hold down method for the wires - tedious but probably take you less time than designing and constructing a jig. We know the Tympani resonances are around 35 hz. That is with w .......
487: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Digital Amplifier Company (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-09-08, 20:42:41 (71.79.97.125)
The small ones were made to get just to 100db. The big ones to 110-115db. Which they can. Those in the middle have max output corresponding to their size. They don't need the big magnets if they outpu .......
488: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: NAD 218 THX vs Adcom 5500 (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-09-07, 15:39:40 (71.79.97.125)
The NAD - if it is Chinese made, is likely to underperform the Adcom. If, like the 208 model it is made in the UK/Eastern Europe (I don't remember if that was a substantial production center) then it .......
489: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Quick power Lesson (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-09-07, 15:22:17 (71.79.97.125)
The compression of the maggies at high volume is substantial - paticularly the single sided ones and when bracing is lacking, as would be the back emf considering that there is no lossy pliant suspens .......
490: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: 1000 Watts For Maggie (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-09-04, 16:27:40 (71.79.97.125)
Linear 1000W is better. Also far more expensive. Only Emotiva XPA monoblocks are cheap enough to compete with a class D in this power range. There are a couple of folks here who have tried W4S 1000 .......
491: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: That is really helpful for our planning. Thx. ~nt (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-09-03, 09:04:02 (71.79.97.125)
Boulder is more a luxury goods company in fine audio. I haven't come across a product of theirs I didn't like. But the price tags are prohibitive and they are hardly ever good values and far removed f .......
492: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Maggies best in giant room? (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-09-02, 12:28:05 (71.79.97.125)
Maggies enjoy plenty of space behind them. But not really 60 ft. more like 8ft is the border line where further distance provides no discernible benefit. Diffusion shortens the necessary offset from t .......
493: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: DC overheating Tympani Bass Panels Problem (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-09-02, 12:15:07 (71.79.97.125)
I think the first suspect should be the Marchand XM 9 - send it back to Phil to check it out and see if it is outputting something it shouldn't - like subsonics or ultrasonics. That would be in both o .......
494: Planar Speaker Asylum, The Classic Maggie stack (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-08-29, 10:35:53 (71.79.97.125)
was demonstrated at a few stores as Roger describes, according to Magnepan's suggestion. The inside pair of speakers is positioned face forwards tweeters inwards and the second pair is placed with eac .......
495: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: Interesting article (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-08-21, 00:52:44 (109.186.6.122)
Depends on which frequency. Hearing compresses heavily at the extremes. So perceived loudness at 20hz would be heard to double at say some 10+ db, while it would be 3 db at 1khz. Look at the Fletcher .......
496: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: New Calibrated Mic - Maggies Can't Do Bass (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-08-15, 04:40:16 (79.177.87.175)
Yes, badly aimed mics show up as a declining high freq curve. You can also end up with that by using the straight aim calibration curve when using the mic in the omnidirectional position. Getting a go .......
497: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: crossover help for MGiiia and EC21 (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-08-11, 02:32:10 (79.177.87.175)
The first order setting with 600-800 hz would work just fine and dandy. The EC21 is a great piece to use with the 3a If you insist on matching the OEM spec for 2nd order you can run one pole of the hi .......
498: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: New Calibrated Mic - Maggies Can't Do Bass (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-08-05, 04:04:54 (79.177.87.175)
Had similar results. tried running it as a two way speaker and it did nicely. Mids were muddy and obviously slow compared to the ribbon doing the top end. .......
499: Planar Speaker Asylum, RE: and then there's this (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-08-05, 03:30:18 (79.177.87.175)
Not that great a deal since they are not restored. .......
500: Planar Speaker Asylum, Surely not in house at White Bear Lake (0.00)
Posted by Satie on 2018-08-03, 04:06:33 (79.177.87.175)
Is it a farmed out design at an OEM manufacturer's site like Coda? .......
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