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In Reply to: Latest version of my 7788/7721 LCR 600Ohm RIAA Stage posted by Thorsten on October 2, 2005 at 15:11:26:
Folks,Let me absolutely clear here.
The circuit works the way it does because of using what works.
You can use the D3a or E810F in the second stage, if you get your wiring right you can swap them in/out, but the D3a has more gain, so using the E810F gets maybe 2db less gain.
The D3a in the circuit as shown biases to around 80V/16mA, which gives around 2K output impedance and a gain of 60 (35db) based on the curves.
In the first stage only the 7788/E810F has the required transconductance (if anyone knows a low noise small signal Pentode with > 50mA/V transconductance @ 30mA anode current pleae tell me).
The E810F is used into a 600 ohm load, with around 60V on the screengrid and around 70V on the Anode and around 30mA Anode current to get maximum transconductance, which should be in the 55mA/V region. That gives a total gain of the first stage 33 or around 30db.
Using a valve with less transconductance like the D3a or E55L rapidly looses gain, the actual measured Phonostage I have at hand showed 43db overall gain with less than 0.5db difference between the channels and a pretty flat RIAA (my 600R Modules are the first pair, current ones reputedly are much flatter, they limit the RIAA response flattness).
I hope those additions make clear what goes on.
Ciao T
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Topic - Latest version of my 7788/7721 LCR 600Ohm RIAA Stage - Thorsten 15:11:26 10/2/05 ( 23)
- Re: Latest version of my 7788/7721 LCR 600Ohm RIAA Stage - pickle 12:34:04 10/4/05 ( 4)
- Re: Latest version of my 7788/7721 LCR 600Ohm RIAA Stage - Thorsten 15:31:14 10/4/05 ( 3)
- Re: Latest version of my 7788/7721 LCR 600Ohm RIAA Stage - pickle 07:17:07 10/5/05 ( 2)
- Re: Latest version of my 7788/7721 LCR 600Ohm RIAA Stage - Thorsten 07:28:48 10/5/05 ( 1)
- Re: Latest version of my 7788/7721 LCR 600Ohm RIAA Stage - pickle 14:48:36 10/5/05 ( 0)
Valve Substitutions - DON'T.... - Thorsten 10/4/05 07:18:45 10/4/05 ( 0)
Re: can i use D3a in the first stage? - papageno 00:19:14 10/4/05 ( 1)
- No, not enough transconductance (NT)... - Thorsten 06:44:01 10/4/05 ( 0)
Re: Latest version of my 7788/7721 LCR 600Ohm RIAA Stage - Joao 22:58:21 10/2/05 ( 1)
- Re: Latest version of my 7788/7721 LCR 600Ohm RIAA Stage - Thorsten 01:22:34 10/3/05 ( 0)
Re: Latest version of my 7788/7721 LCR 600Ohm RIAA Stage - tubelover@aol.com 21:42:01 10/2/05 ( 4)
- LCR Schematic - ecc83 01:29:37 10/3/05 ( 2)
- Re: LCR Schematic - Thorsten 05:45:42 10/3/05 ( 1)
- Re: LCR Schematic - ecc83 07:45:27 10/3/05 ( 0)
Re: Latest version of my 7788/7721 LCR 600Ohm RIAA Stage - Thorsten 01:19:35 10/3/05 ( 0)
Re: Latest version of my 7788/7721 LCR 600Ohm RIAA Stage - fred76 20:41:37 10/2/05 ( 0)
Re: Latest version of my 7788/7721 LCR 600Ohm RIAA Stage - BBeck 19:53:31 10/2/05 ( 5)
- Re: Latest version of my 7788/7721 LCR 600Ohm RIAA Stage - Thorsten 01:16:54 10/3/05 ( 4)
- vernacular Stage - dhsettim 22:37:59 10/3/05 ( 0)
- Re: Latest version of my 7788/7721 LCR 600Ohm RIAA Stage - BBeck 13:10:57 10/3/05 ( 2)
- Re: Latest version of my 7788/7721 LCR 600Ohm RIAA Stage - Thorsten 13:37:11 10/3/05 ( 1)
- Re: Latest version of my 7788/7721 LCR 600Ohm RIAA Stage - BBeck 13:51:27 10/3/05 ( 0)
Great work! Thanks T (nt) - Mike Spence 17:06:53 10/2/05 ( 0)