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In Reply to: Re: B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted posted by ScofieldKjv on October 31, 2004 at 06:51:32:
I suggest you go find a pair of B&W Matrix 3 speakers and give them a good listen. Even though they are about 20 years old, they sound better in most ways than newer B&Ws. Of course, they didn't use Kevlar or porting, but they also had a much better cabinet than todays speakers. What flaws they had were flaws of subtraction, not addition.My big point is that B&W has been the recipient of a social promotion program by Stereophile because the owner/publisher of Stereophile and the chief editor were both big B&W fans and owners. And since most of the editors and many of the writers in audio went through the Stereophile school of audio writing, you'll see B&W held up as a model for how a speaker should sound. The problem is that there are a LOT of better speakers out there, especially for the same price, certainly with objectively flatter response and better quality drivers/cabinets. The flaws of the product have been twisted into "benefits", but you can look on any measurement of any recent B&W and see severe FR variations. Just like Bose is the posterboy for what's wrong with mid-fi, B&W has become the posterboy for what's wrong with high-end. So I apologize for my strong reaction, but please, there are lots of good speakers out there, give a great review to one that deserves it. Again, no speaker is perfect and if you can't hear the imperfections and comment on them, then a review is just a "promotion" or "advertisement", not a review.
Here's a link of 703 measurements, it was the closest I could find, but if you do a google search for "measurements B&W frequency response" you'll find all you need to know. People are *finally* starting to figure out via the internet that the emperor has no clothes and kevlar is a bad midrange material.
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Topic - B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted - JerryS 12:17:32 10/30/04 ( 37)
- Re: B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted - mbmiller@bcpl.net 12:32:26 10/31/04 ( 1)
- Re: B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted - Greg Gale 04:35:20 11/2/04 ( 0)
Re: B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted - John Ashman 20:18:42 10/30/04 ( 19)
- Re: B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted - DaveV 15:15:44 10/31/04 ( 0)
Re: B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted - chocolate_lover9999@yahoo.com 11:01:46 10/31/04 ( 5)
- Re: B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted - John Ashman 11:23:34 10/31/04 ( 4)
- Re: B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted - RGA 22:04:58 10/31/04 ( 1)
- Re: B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted - John Ashman 06:59:04 11/1/04 ( 0)
- Re: B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted - chocolate_lover9999@yahoo.com 14:22:01 10/31/04 ( 1)
- See your e-mail for random suggestions...... - John Ashman 07:00:05 11/1/04 ( 0)
Re: B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted - JerryS 21:06:48 10/30/04 ( 8)
- Re: B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted - John Ashman 21:17:11 10/30/04 ( 7)
- Re: B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted - ScofieldKjv 06:51:32 10/31/04 ( 6)
- Re: B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted - John Ashman 10/31/04 07:24:49 10/31/04 ( 4)
- Re: B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted - ScofieldKjv 07:55:13 10/31/04 ( 3)
- Actually you may want to check UHF Magazine... - RGA 21:53:07 10/31/04 ( 2)
- Isn't HiFi Choice from the UK? nt - ScofieldKjv 04:42:02 11/1/04 ( 1)
- YES! - UHF is from Canada... - RGA 15:03:33 11/1/04 ( 0)
- Re: B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted - ScofieldKjv 06:55:20 10/31/04 ( 0)
let me guess... - jaques 20:47:09 10/30/04 ( 2)
- Re: let me guess... - John Ashman 20:52:45 10/30/04 ( 1)
- Re: let me guess... - John Ashman 21:03:51 10/30/04 ( 0)
Re: B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted - midirons 20:16:09 10/30/04 ( 5)
- Re: B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted - JerryS 20:40:14 10/30/04 ( 4)
- Something to consider - ScofieldKjv 06:44:54 10/31/04 ( 1)
- Re: Something to consider - midirons 18:52:20 10/31/04 ( 0)
- Re: B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted - midirons 22:14:42 10/30/04 ( 0)
Re: B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted - midirons 21:27:10 10/30/04 ( 0)
Re: B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted - RGA 15:26:23 10/30/04 ( 2)
- Re: B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted - ts 07:29:49 10/31/04 ( 1)
- Re: B&W Nautilus 804 - review posted - claud 04:32:42 11/1/04 ( 0)
Re: B&W Nautilus 804, a question for you. - vinyl-addict 14:40:02 10/30/04 ( 4)
- Re: B&W Nautilus 804, a question for you. - JerryS 20:19:07 10/30/04 ( 0)
Re: B&W Nautilus 804, a question for you. - ScofieldKjv 14:55:42 10/30/04 ( 2)
- Re: B&W Nautilus 804, a question for you. - vinyl-addict 15:11:04 10/30/04 ( 1)
- Re: B&W Nautilus 804, a question for you. - ScofieldKjv 06:38:09 10/31/04 ( 0)
Nice job, I enjoyed the read. nt - ScofieldKjv 12:52:14 10/30/04 ( 0)