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In Reply to: "They have eliminated [CD playback] as a variable," True; but then they try to tell us... posted by clarkjohnsen on September 24, 2007 at 08:26:14:
I can see that I wasn't missing much.
The "CD standard" is good enough, at least under best-case conditions. No efforts were spent establishing margins however so the results are of no engineering value. I suspect that it is just barely "good enough". Clearly you are correct, they inappropriately infer that on all CD based system that mastering will be the limiting factor.
I do appreciate the work they've done especially since it vindicates some of the tentative conclusions that I'd drawn from experience. However the notion that all CD chains are blameless is absurd. Fortunately now that we have capable computers we can reduce or eliminate many of the medium and playback problems so their conclusions are actually far more applicable now than they were when we were stuck with "real time" CD players.
Thanks for letting me see it,
Rick
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Topic - Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - Charles Hansen 09:44:35 09/11/07 ( 330)
- RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - EBradMeyer 08:13:29 09/20/07 ( 23)
- RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - High-end Dreamer 07:29:42 10/2/07 ( 1)
- P.S. - High-end Dreamer 07:31:03 10/2/07 ( 0)
- That clears up a lot! - bjh 14:26:43 09/21/07 ( 14)
- RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 20:37:38 09/21/07 ( 13)
- RE: That clears up a lot! - morricab 01:51:48 09/24/07 ( 1)
- RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 13:31:28 09/24/07 ( 0)
- RE: That clears up a lot! - bjh 22:08:32 09/21/07 ( 10)
- RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 05:08:50 09/22/07 ( 9)
- RE: That clears up a lot! - morricab 02:10:30 09/24/07 ( 0)
- I wrote that quote, so I feel like responding... - Axon 19:56:13 09/22/07 ( 5)
- You seem to have missed the crux of the objections. - clarkjohnsen 11:42:17 09/23/07 ( 0)
- Hmm - Ted Smith 22:29:34 09/22/07 ( 1)
- "Reading the [other] paper was a breath of fresh air." No kidding. - clarkjohnsen 11:54:16 09/23/07 ( 0)
- The scientific standard for validation of results obtained by experimental procedure is Replication. - bjh 22:27:51 09/22/07 ( 1)
- RE: The scientific standard for validation of results obtained by experimental procedure is Replication. - morricab 02:15:22 09/24/07 ( 0)
Never mind. - tlyyra 14:19:24 09/22/07 ( 1)
- RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 06:06:47 09/23/07 ( 0)
What a pity. What a ditty. - tlyyra 16:07:29 09/20/07 ( 5)
- RE: What a pity. What a ditty. - EBradMeyer 06:25:34 09/21/07 ( 4)
- RE: What a pity. What a ditty. - tlyyra 08:51:16 09/21/07 ( 3)
- RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 21:02:43 09/21/07 ( 0)
- ROFL - Pat D 12:13:00 09/21/07 ( 1)
- That's the way to go if you have no arguments. - tlyyra 15:00:52 09/22/07 ( 0)
RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - drmoran@aol.com 10:59:28 09/19/07 ( 0)
A contrary test result - John Atkinson 01:06:46 09/17/07 ( 5)
- RE: A contrary test result - EBradMeyer 07:32:32 09/20/07 ( 2)
- RE: A contrary test result - truthseekerprime 07:41:19 09/20/07 ( 1)
- RE: A contrary test result - EBradMeyer 08:23:37 09/20/07 ( 0)
Now, how to get that into the JAES?... nt - clarkjohnsen 10:03:13 09/17/07 ( 0)
Thanks, John! - kerr 05:06:30 09/17/07 ( 0)
RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - andy19191 09:25:09 09/15/07 ( 58)
- RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - kerr 12:43:32 09/15/07 ( 26)
- RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - andy19191 14:24:53 09/15/07 ( 15)
- RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - kerr 15:43:05 09/15/07 ( 14)
- RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - andy19191 10:07:55 09/16/07 ( 13)
- RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - kerr 15:40:21 09/16/07 ( 4)
- Sounds like the recording engineers I know :) [nt] - Ted Smith 16:30:40 09/16/07 ( 1)
- Yep! - kerr 17:05:20 09/16/07 ( 0)
- RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - andy19191 15:51:51 09/16/07 ( 1)
- RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - kerr 17:03:30 09/16/07 ( 0)
- "Audiophiles? What sort of recording engineers are these?" - Analog Scott 10:54:18 09/16/07 ( 7)
- Audiophiles have determined that Audiophiles make the best recordings? - AJinFLA 11:27:41 09/16/07 ( 6)
- Yes they have. - Analog Scott 12:50:43 09/16/07 ( 5)
- RE: Yes they have. - AJinFLA 19:01:07 09/16/07 ( 4)
- RE: Yes they have. - Analog Scott 08:44:38 09/17/07 ( 3)
- "didn't know there was such a thing as analog TVs and digital TVs". Oh boy. Never mind (nt) - AJinFLA 18:40:16 09/17/07 ( 2)
- Neither did I, but... - kerr 18:55:16 09/17/07 ( 1)
- RE: Neither did I, but... - AJinFLA 19:09:02 09/17/07 ( 0)
Right on! - tlyyra 13:34:07 09/15/07 ( 3)
- Thanks - kerr 15:45:09 09/15/07 ( 2)
- RE: Thanks - tlyyra 02:50:47 09/17/07 ( 1)
- RE: Thanks - kerr 05:12:05 09/17/07 ( 0)
A dangling pronoun doesn't help his case much either. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:53:29 09/15/07 ( 5)
- I heard of a guy who got arrested for a dangling pronoun in the public library - Richard BassNut Greene 13:35:57 09/15/07 ( 4)
- I heard the same story - kerr 15:47:12 09/15/07 ( 3)
- Hey mine was s serious post - Richard BassNut Greene 14:01:14 09/16/07 ( 1)
- RE: Hey mine was s serious post - kerr 09:50:19 09/17/07 ( 0)
- Reminds me of the streaker in the church - Atexanathome 06:23:06 09/16/07 ( 0)
By all means - E-Stat 11:44:51 09/15/07 ( 7)
- RE: By all means - andy19191 13:54:04 09/15/07 ( 5)
- By all means, work on your train of thought - E-Stat 13:58:03 09/15/07 ( 4)
- RE: By all means, work on your train of thought - andy19191 14:42:07 09/15/07 ( 3)
- Let me help jog your memory - E-Stat 15:31:35 09/15/07 ( 2)
- RE: Let me help jog your memory - andy19191 15:40:28 09/15/07 ( 1)
- Merely asked the question - E-Stat 15:46:09 09/15/07 ( 0)
You know better than that! Guys like him want it all served up on a warm plate. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:28:06 09/15/07 ( 0)
RE: "This is how science works and they will welcome and publish contradictory scientific data" - geoffkait 10:47:06 09/15/07 ( 22)
- RE: "This is how science works and they will welcome and publish contradictory scientific data" - andy19191 13:51:58 09/15/07 ( 13)
- RE: "Nobody with a grasp of how sound propagates..." - geoffkait 14:07:51 09/15/07 ( 12)
- RE: "Nobody with a grasp of how sound propagates..." - andy19191 14:35:50 09/15/07 ( 11)
- RE:This is indeed an authority and one that all that have spotted the usefulness of science tend to recognise. - geoffkait 14:58:24 09/15/07 ( 10)
- RE:This is indeed an authority and one that all that have spotted the usefulness of science tend to recognise. - andy19191 15:33:10 09/15/07 ( 9)
- RE: I'm afraid you'll have to judge my knowledge of the laws of sound propagation from the content of my post - geoffkait 15:57:07 09/15/07 ( 8)
- RE: I'm afraid you'll have to judge my knowledge of the laws of sound propagation from the content of my post - andy19191 10:20:00 09/16/07 ( 7)
- Go to the back of the class! - geoffkait 10:59:57 09/16/07 ( 6)
- RE: Go to the back of the class! - andy19191 12:09:17 09/16/07 ( 5)
- RE: Go to the back of the class! - geoffkait 12:37:44 09/16/07 ( 4)
- RE: Go to the back of the class! - andy19191 13:49:06 09/16/07 ( 3)
- RE: Go to the back of the class! - geoffkait 14:07:17 09/16/07 ( 2)
- RE: Go to the back of the class! - andy19191 15:44:36 09/16/07 ( 1)
- RE: "A knowledge of how my peers think. Is that proof?" - geoffkait 16:38:22 09/16/07 ( 0)
And again we're reminded of Todd Krieger's great phrase, "token peers". nt - clarkjohnsen 12:27:02 09/15/07 ( 7)
- Todd the software guy? (nt) - AJinFLA 11:40:18 09/16/07 ( 6)
- That's Me...... - Todd Krieger 01:09:29 09/17/07 ( 5)
- RE: That's Me...... - AJinFLA 18:55:53 09/17/07 ( 4)
- RE: That's Me...... - Todd Krieger 19:37:57 09/17/07 ( 3)
- RE: That's Me...... - AJinFLA 20:47:42 09/17/07 ( 2)
- RE: That's Me...... - Todd Krieger 00:10:19 09/19/07 ( 1)
- RE: That's Me...... - AJinFLA 09:10:58 09/19/07 ( 0)
Deaf? The folks who "hear" ghosts aren't deaf - AJinFLA 06:42:32 09/13/07 ( 17)
- RE: "Deaf? The folks who "hear" ghosts aren't deaf - Todd Krieger 15:49:11 09/15/07 ( 1)
- RE: "Deaf? The folks who "hear" ghosts aren't deaf - AJinFLA 09:56:54 09/16/07 ( 0)
Everything sounds the same - Analog Scott 07:45:58 09/13/07 ( 9)
- RE: Everything sounds the same - AJinFLA 07:54:04 09/13/07 ( 8)
- never fear - Analog Scott 08:26:46 09/13/07 ( 7)
- Fear? - AJinFLA 12:14:16 09/13/07 ( 3)
- RE: Fear? - Analog Scott 13:57:36 09/13/07 ( 2)
- RE: Fear? - AJinFLA 10:18:02 09/16/07 ( 0)
- "Ghosts? I do not hear them. I do not fear them" - bjh 14:04:22 09/13/07 ( 0)
- Ghosts? A Freudian slip? Perhaps - bjh 10:28:23 09/13/07 ( 2)
- No denial, only acceptance - AJinFLA 12:30:13 09/13/07 ( 1)
- BOO!... - bjh 13:55:12 09/13/07 ( 0)
Caymus has arisen. Welcome back! nt - geoffkait 07:17:39 09/13/07 ( 4)
- RE: Caymus has arisen. Welcome back! nt - AJinFLA 07:31:28 09/13/07 ( 3)
- RE: "I really must re-enroll in school." Hope you pick a different school this time around. :-) nt - geoffkait 07:58:26 09/13/07 ( 2)
- Perhaps you could make me your apprentice? - AJinFLA 08:17:08 09/13/07 ( 1)
- Actually, a slot might be opening up soon... - geoffkait 08:52:59 09/13/07 ( 0)
RE: Did I, or did I NOT tell you all - Dr. S 10:44:02 09/12/07 ( 1)
- No, you did NOT! - andy_c 18:25:24 09/12/07 ( 0)
"the same signal passed through a 16-bit/44.1-kHz “bottleneck.†- Richard BassNut Greene 07:17:37 09/12/07 ( 14)
- This just in... - bjh 11:10:24 09/12/07 ( 4)
- "We fear that Richard has gone off his rocker" - Richard BassNut Greene 07:57:54 09/13/07 ( 3)
- As long as you're updating your resume, - Bruce Kendall 11:34:26 09/13/07 ( 1)
- "notorious throne"? - Richard BassNut Greene 13:39:13 09/15/07 ( 0)
- Is your rocker on your porch or inside? (nt) - AJinFLA 08:24:35 09/13/07 ( 0)
"Believe your ears" - Feanor 09:57:09 09/12/07 ( 8)
- "The problem is that our ears are connected to our brains." - Analog Scott 08:28:26 09/13/07 ( 7)
- Obviously for some more than others...(nt) - mkuller 15:14:02 09/13/07 ( 6)
- A mind is a terrible thing - Analog Scott 16:19:10 09/13/07 ( 5)
- RE: A mind is a terrible thing - kerr 06:13:21 09/14/07 ( 4)
- "Nothing in the word 'audio' denotes listening." Funny guy! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:23:59 09/14/07 ( 1)
- Clark - kerr 11:29:56 09/14/07 ( 0)
- if the measurments tell you one thing and your percpetions tell you another - Analog Scott 08:15:59 09/14/07 ( 1)
- RE: if the measurments tell you one thing and your percpetions tell you another - kerr 10:47:46 09/14/07 ( 0)
Perhaps you all might agree with the conclusion more? - Axon 21:49:26 09/11/07 ( 103)
- Since you've evinced intelligent interest in this topic... - clarkjohnsen 08:31:51 09/14/07 ( 0)
So it's good news that SACD remains niche - Feanor 09:53:01 09/12/07 ( 1)
- I'd say Sony (and others) were hoping - bjh 10:47:13 09/12/07 ( 0)
"I guess nobody here... has AES membership." LOL! - clarkjohnsen 09:38:16 09/12/07 ( 89)
- Touché. I'm just a little surprised at... - Axon 22:45:50 09/12/07 ( 88)
- I confess that I'm confused - E-Stat 15:53:34 09/13/07 ( 74)
- No contradiction, but I may have confused you - Axon 21:50:45 09/13/07 ( 72)
- RE: No contradiction, but I may have confused you - Dan Banquer 06:45:22 09/14/07 ( 2)
- RE: No contradiction, but I may have confused you - krabapple 09:36:17 09/20/07 ( 1)
- RE: No contradiction, but I may have confused you - Dan Banquer 09:58:00 09/20/07 ( 0)
- Convenient assumption - E-Stat 06:33:53 09/14/07 ( 51)
- you got me. I need to retake logic 101. Round 3: - Axon 08:14:16 09/14/07 ( 50)
- With any kind of test - E-Stat 08:36:48 09/14/07 ( 49)
- you're really struggling here - truthseekerprime 07:01:48 09/16/07 ( 48)
- "Demonstrated that FOR THE SAME RECORDING reducing the resolution did not have an audible effect." NO! - clarkjohnsen 10:49:26 09/17/07 ( 34)
- RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 21:24:25 09/21/07 ( 33)
- "A CD would have sounded the same." Good to know, but bland assertions are not proof. Besides... - clarkjohnsen 08:42:46 09/22/07 ( 32)
- RE: "Memory Player that produces a sonic result superior to any other" - tlyyra 08:49:21 09/24/07 ( 0)
- RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 07:01:54 09/23/07 ( 19)
- "I give you The Church of the Latter Day Saints." So that's what it's going to be, is it? - clarkjohnsen 08:54:32 09/24/07 ( 18)
- RE: "I give you The Church of the Latter Day Saints." So that's what it's going to be, is it? - EBradMeyer 14:18:08 09/24/07 ( 1)
- "The device we were using is a recording system, which passes a signal *through* it." Oh. - clarkjohnsen 10:13:34 09/25/07 ( 0)
- RE: "I give you The Church of the Latter Day Saints." So that's what it's going to be, is it? - EBradMeyer 13:53:30 09/24/07 ( 15)
- "It's not up to me to prove reviewers can't hear the huge differences." LOL! You made the assertion... - clarkjohnsen 09:59:20 09/25/07 ( 8)
- Still bullshitting? - tlyyra 10:21:25 09/26/07 ( 2)
- I be happy you continue to delude yourself. Couldn't happen to a more appropriate guy. - clarkjohnsen 11:22:48 09/28/07 ( 1)
- Done that - tlyyra 10:05:26 09/29/07 ( 0)
- RE: "It's not up to me, etc." - EBradMeyer 11:28:48 09/25/07 ( 4)
- "They're... way to risky for you." Oh geez, puh-leeze. - clarkjohnsen 09:16:22 09/26/07 ( 0)
- You're correct - it has been demonstrated. Don't bother arguing with him; it's an utter waste of time. /nt - truthseekerprime 20:01:22 09/25/07 ( 2)
- "It has been demonstrated" all right... that it's "a crock". That's if you pay any attention to... - clarkjohnsen 09:24:08 09/26/07 ( 0)
- RE: You're correct etc. - EBradMeyer 07:32:26 09/26/07 ( 0)
- Complettely OT - ABXing absolute polarity - Axon 22:32:57 09/24/07 ( 5)
- RE: Complettely OT - ABXing absolute polarity - EBradMeyer 01:33:16 09/25/07 ( 4)
- You underestimate the thickness of my skull - Axon 05:52:32 09/25/07 ( 3)
- RE: You underestimate the thickness of my skull - EBradMeyer 11:33:53 09/25/07 ( 2)
- No pain, no gain! - Axon 16:54:20 09/26/07 ( 1)
- RE: No pain, no gain! - EBradMeyer 07:40:47 09/27/07 ( 0)
- RE: "A CD would have sounded the same." Good to know, but bland assertions are not proof. Besides... - krabapple 16:24:39 09/22/07 ( 1)
- AA posts as "uncontradicted evidence" - tlyyra 03:30:22 09/23/07 ( 0)
- You're right Clark, but that's not the point. - rick_m 12:34:04 09/22/07 ( 8)
- Thank you. But even "going astray", while that does happen, is not the core of my argument. - clarkjohnsen 11:09:23 09/23/07 ( 7)
- RE: Thank you. But even "going astray", while that does happen, is not the core of my argument. - rick_m 13:09:12 09/23/07 ( 6)
- "They have eliminated [CD playback] as a variable," True; but then they try to tell us... - clarkjohnsen 08:26:14 09/24/07 ( 5)
- Having now read it... - rick_m 09/25/07 09:07:04 09/25/07 ( 1)
- "I wasn't missing much." Indeed not. Yet I got challenged for calling it a quick read! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:02:59 09/25/07 ( 0)
- OK,Ok,ok - rick_m 09:14:13 09/24/07 ( 2)
- This URL may get you to it. - clarkjohnsen 09:33:57 09/24/07 ( 1)
- Excellent, thanks! nt - rick_m 09:46:55 09/24/07 ( 0)
Struggling for what? - E-Stat 09:11:00 09/16/07 ( 12)
- (See my post above.) nt - clarkjohnsen 10:50:12 09/17/07 ( 0)
I guess basic reading comprehension - truthseekerprime 13:19:50 09/16/07 ( 10)
- So, professor - E-Stat 17:56:52 09/16/07 ( 9)
- "Our test results indicate that all of these recordings could be released on conventional CDs... - truthseekerprime 20:28:50 09/16/07 ( 8)
- Anecdotally, I think it may be true. - rick_m 10:17:47 09/20/07 ( 0)
- As have I - E-Stat 21:23:00 09/16/07 ( 6)
- RE: As have I - krabapple 09:43:44 09/20/07 ( 5)
- The common term for your explanation - E-Stat 09:56:29 09/20/07 ( 4)
- RE: The common term for your explanation - krabapple 16:19:26 09/22/07 ( 1)
- There is a difference - E-Stat 09:01:51 09/23/07 ( 0)
- A whole lot o' speculatin' goin' on in the paper too. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:05:42 09/22/07 ( 1)
- In stark contrast to your pamphlet that was so convincingly argued that you had to pay for it to get printed? - tlyyra 03:33:55 09/23/07 ( 0)
Hmmm, that's certainly an illogical conclusion - Ted Smith 22:08:08 09/13/07 ( 16)
- Provably wrong - Axon 08:05:00 09/14/07 ( 15)
- Baloney - Ted Smith 08:45:36 09/14/07 ( 14)
- RE: Baloney - krabapple 09:57:13 09/20/07 ( 10)
- RE: Baloney - Ted Smith 11:17:21 09/20/07 ( 9)
- RE: Baloney - krabapple 16:28:51 09/22/07 ( 1)
- Yep, Why haven't you addressed any of the points in my posts? - Ted Smith 16:36:19 09/22/07 ( 0)
- So... your opinion on the JAES paper is...? nt - clarkjohnsen 09:07:52 09/22/07 ( 6)
- A crock? - Ted Smith 10:47:03 09/22/07 ( 5)
- "It shows an unbelievable degree of unsophistication." Oh I believe it all right! - clarkjohnsen 08:37:07 09/24/07 ( 0)
- So you read the article, then? - tlyyra 14:09:42 09/22/07 ( 3)
- I do believe in good science and enjoy the result of the same (including DSD) - Ted Smith 14:56:04 09/22/07 ( 2)
- Can you believe that guy? "Maybe I read too much into your CV." - clarkjohnsen 10:22:39 09/23/07 ( 1)
- RE: Can you believe that guy? "Maybe I read too much into your CV." - Ted Smith 16:55:34 09/23/07 ( 0)
I'll admit I don't have enough experience with SACD/DVD-A... - Axon 12:08:52 09/14/07 ( 2)
- RE: I'll admit I don't have enough experience with SACD/DVD-A... - krabapple 10:02:47 09/20/07 ( 0)
RE: I'll admit I don't have enough experience with SACD/DVD-A... - Ted Smith 13:46:35 09/14/07 ( 0)
Perhaps a key element of the test wasn't disclosed. - Bruce Kendall 16:00:11 09/13/07 ( 0)
Right. I'm not concerned about the DBT aspect, rather the really sloppy experimental procedures... - clarkjohnsen 12:07:29 09/13/07 ( 12)
- Yeah, I've read it. - Axon 12:36:04 09/13/07 ( 11)
- Your observations are mostly well-taken. Still I have concerns. - clarkjohnsen 08:22:26 09/14/07 ( 10)
- RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 10:19:54 09/23/07 ( 0)
- RE: "what the equipment was, esp. the speakers" - tlyyra 09:36:57 09/14/07 ( 8)
- Are you involved in some sort of contest or something? - Bruce Kendall 12:10:19 09/14/07 ( 3)
- He's a bitter man, a bully, and an unworthy opponent -- misrepresentation is his only game. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:22:32 09/15/07 ( 1)
- Speaking of bitterness - tlyyra 12:23:57 09/15/07 ( 0)
- ??? - tlyyra 04:23:52 09/15/07 ( 0)
- Frankly, My dear... - bjh 10:55:46 09/14/07 ( 3)
- RE: Frankly, My dear... - tlyyra 11:56:44 09/14/07 ( 2)
- Toots a simple, "No, I don't want to comment" would have been entirely sufficient. - bjh 12:36:05 09/14/07 ( 1)
- Sorry if it was too complicated - tlyyra 04:48:17 09/15/07 ( 0)
RE: Perhaps you all might agree with the conclusion more? - Dan Banquer 05:45:16 09/12/07 ( 0)
RE: Perhaps you all might agree with the conclusion more? - Todd Krieger 01:06:08 09/12/07 ( 7)
- "a study was seemingly brought up out of thin air with a desired outcome" - andy_c 20:16:25 09/12/07 ( 0)
"The... sacred belief that because it's an AES article, it's automatically truth and ought not be challenged." - clarkjohnsen 09:35:51 09/12/07 ( 5)
- From the book of Positive Feedback, chapter 8, verse 5. And the Lord CJ cast the devil from the redbook cd - AJinFLA 13:41:59 09/13/07 ( 0)
These Were Never True Peer Reviews to Begin With....... - Todd Krieger 11:07:02 09/12/07 ( 3)
- Excellent post - Analog Scott 08:32:28 09/13/07 ( 0)
"Token peers," Omigosh, that sez it all! - clarkjohnsen 11:11:18 09/12/07 ( 1)
- That's not sour grapes talking, is it? - tlyyra 09:54:11 09/14/07 ( 0)
RE: Perhaps you all might agree with the conclusion more? - theaudiohobby 00:47:32 09/12/07 ( 0)
RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - Old nuff 2 no better 21:30:54 09/11/07 ( 0)
Wait til they announce........mp3 is the new hi-rez - Joe M 18:20:47 09/11/07 ( 0)
RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - middleground 17:06:44 09/11/07 ( 0)
The BAS should be shortened to BS. - LiquidMidrange 16:51:51 09/11/07 ( 0)
Compare the ear to the eye - Jayme 15:12:48 09/11/07 ( 1)
- RE: Compare the ear to the eye - middleground 05:49:43 09/12/07 ( 0)
RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - John Atkinson 14:25:47 09/11/07 ( 20)
- RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - EBradMeyer 01:46:48 09/24/07 ( 0)
RE: I checked out the BAS site - theaudiohobby 12:00:39 09/13/07 ( 0)
Good catch! Back in the Seventies (or so) he and his pals were saying that... - clarkjohnsen 09:30:17 09/12/07 ( 1)
- RE: "sound like mastertapes? No way!" - tlyyra 10:03:22 09/12/07 ( 0)
Wha? The player was Pioneer? That wasn't in the paper. - Axon 21:35:38 09/11/07 ( 15)
- RE: Wha? The player was Pioneer? That wasn't in the paper. - theaudiohobby 12:04:15 09/13/07 ( 0)
You have to keep up. - Bruce Kendall 15:52:40 09/12/07 ( 1)
- Yeah, didn't catch that post. thanks. -nt - Axon 22:36:30 09/12/07 ( 0)
RE: Wha? The player was Pioneer? That wasn't in the paper. - John Atkinson 03:54:24 09/12/07 ( 11)
- RE: Wha? The player was Pioneer? That wasn't in the paper. - EBradMeyer 01:00:38 09/24/07 ( 0)
Where can I find the real world dynamic range measurements on the 563A? -nt - Axon 12:05:15 09/13/07 ( 0)
So you haven't even read it... - tlyyra 04:44:59 09/12/07 ( 8)
- RE: So you haven't even read it... - John Atkinson 12:04:29 09/12/07 ( 7)
- RE: So you haven't even read it... - tlyyra 12:58:55 09/12/07 ( 6)
- Speaking of prejudicing its value... - E-Stat 11:20:35 09/13/07 ( 5)
- RE: Speaking of prejudicing its value... - theaudiohobby 00:40:50 09/14/07 ( 1)
- Perhaps you're right - E-Stat 06:39:36 09/14/07 ( 0)
- Uh... because he didn't know any better?... nt - clarkjohnsen 12:08:54 09/13/07 ( 2)
- So... - E-Stat 12:38:46 09/13/07 ( 1)
- given the history - Analog Scott 19:08:55 09/13/07 ( 0)
A reasoned and effectual reply from a buddy of mine... - clarkjohnsen 14:16:51 09/11/07 ( 6)
- And now I have permission to reveal his identity. - clarkjohnsen 09:54:19 09/12/07 ( 0)
Kuhn and "triple blind" - tlyyra 04:09:08 09/12/07 ( 2)
- While one normally (and wisely) chooses not to respond to troubled adolescents... - clarkjohnsen 09:20:35 09/12/07 ( 1)
- DOTARD ALERT! - tlyyra 10:15:56 09/12/07 ( 0)
RE: you make the classic mis-assumption... - mls-stl 17:34:33 09/11/07 ( 1)
- My objections were not to the DBT element as such, please note. - clarkjohnsen 08:58:56 09/12/07 ( 0)
RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - suretyguy 12:38:32 09/11/07 ( 9)
- RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - Todd Krieger 12:58:03 09/11/07 ( 8)
- RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - suretyguy 14:55:24 09/11/07 ( 7)
- "Dead End Alley"?..... I Like It!!!!! - Todd Krieger 18:45:37 09/11/07 ( 0)
- There's already such a place, Isolation Ward. Some - bjh 17:18:50 09/11/07 ( 5)
- RE: There's already such a place, Isolation Ward. Some - Todd Krieger 18:55:33 09/11/07 ( 4)
- "Prop Head is for scientific matters like why ..." You were saying...? LOL nt - bjh 14:28:57 09/12/07 ( 0)
- RE: There's already such a place, Isolation Ward. Some - geoffkait 13:04:35 09/12/07 ( 0)
- RE: How about ATA - Dr. S 11:47:20 09/12/07 ( 0)
- "...won't have to worry about flame wars ruining their enjoyment of the normal forums." Yes, and... - clarkjohnsen 09:56:23 09/12/07 ( 0)
I Guess I Must Be Deaf...... - Todd Krieger 12:38:08 09/11/07 ( 7)
- Thanks... - bjh 13:38:45 09/11/07 ( 6)
- RE: Thanks... - Todd Krieger 18:43:33 09/11/07 ( 2)
- RE: Thanks... - bjh 19:15:23 09/11/07 ( 1)
- RE: Thanks... - Todd Krieger 19:57:50 09/11/07 ( 0)
- Item B in your post - you're kidding, right? - carcass93 14:55:40 09/11/07 ( 2)
- RE: Item B in your post - you're kidding, right? - Todd Krieger 20:12:04 09/11/07 ( 1)
- Before you chaps - bjh 20:44:08 09/11/07 ( 0)
RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - Dr. S 12:18:52 09/11/07 ( 7)
- The usual DBT crowd hasn't arrived yet. - Bruce Kendall 12:53:26 09/11/07 ( 6)
- No, we just left the party before you showed up. - Axon 21:29:38 09/11/07 ( 0)
- RE: I admit a lot of our discussions go nowhere - Dr. S 13:30:47 09/11/07 ( 4)
- I don't think this one is so much about DBTs, as about poorly conceived experiments. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:58:55 09/11/07 ( 3)
- You should know. - tlyyra 03:17:37 09/12/07 ( 2)
- RE: You should know. - bjh 07:24:12 09/12/07 ( 0)
- RE: You should know. - theaudiohobby 05:13:39 09/12/07 ( 0)
A test that I did. - jsm 12:00:10 09/11/07 ( 7)
- RE: A test that I did. - Dr. S 13:31:52 09/11/07 ( 2)
- I couldn't agree more. - jsm 16:45:24 09/11/07 ( 1)
- RE: It's an important part of the hobby for me .... - Dr. S 16:52:51 09/11/07 ( 0)
RE: A test that I did. - Todd Krieger 12:45:44 09/11/07 ( 3)
- I was asking a much simpler question. - jsm 16:36:57 09/11/07 ( 2)
- RE: I was asking a much simpler question. - Todd Krieger 19:50:42 09/11/07 ( 1)
- No, no, no! - jsm 12:01:35 09/12/07 ( 0)
"...and one high-end system." Oh bully for them! But the gaps in their reasoniing are blatant. - clarkjohnsen 10:52:58 09/11/07 ( 10)
- I think they just wanted to find out if a 16/44.1 A/D/A conversion was easily detected - Slider 11:22:24 09/11/07 ( 3)
- Pioneer 563A DVD-A/SACD universal player --) approx. $250.00 - bjh 11:29:07 09/11/07 ( 2)
- interest to the audiophile community? - Slider 12:26:11 09/11/07 ( 1)
- "I'd confidently take the test if I had a chance to get to know the system a bit." --- *I wouldn't!* - bjh 12:51:39 09/11/07 ( 0)
RE: "...and one high-end system." Oh bully for them! But the gaps in their reasoniing are blatant. - bjh 11:13:53 09/11/07 ( 3) Nine out of ten worst hi-fis are found in recording studios. - kavakidd 10:54:54 09/11/07 ( 1)
- Agreed, although it's different with musicians. - clarkjohnsen 11:01:16 09/11/07 ( 0)
RE: They did well... - theaudiohobby 10:09:37 09/11/07 ( 21)
- RE: They did well... - john curl 19:05:32 09/11/07 ( 17)
- RE: They did well... - Brian Walsh 23:01:20 09/11/07 ( 13)
- Wrong. - carcass93 10:44:41 09/12/07 ( 12)
- RE: Wrong. - john curl 12:58:26 09/12/07 ( 11)
- Wrong again. - tlyyra 13:11:16 09/12/07 ( 10)
- RE: Wrong again. - john curl 13:24:35 09/12/07 ( 9)
- RE: Why CH responded in such a way? - tlyyra 13:41:59 09/12/07 ( 8)
- RE: Why CH responded in such a way? - Rufipennis 19:18:32 09/12/07 ( 7)
- RE: Why CH responded in such a way? - tlyyra 03:58:25 09/13/07 ( 6)
- RE: Why CH responded in such a way? - Rufipennis 07:24:06 09/13/07 ( 5)
- He's a bitter man. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:12:34 09/13/07 ( 1)
- Make up your mind. - tlyyra 10:18:46 09/14/07 ( 0)
- RE: Why CH responded in such a way? - tlyyra 07:45:06 09/13/07 ( 2)
- RE: Why CH responded in such a way? - Rufipennis 20:20:55 09/13/07 ( 1)
- RE: "Luxury aches" - tlyyra 09:22:58 09/14/07 ( 0)
RE: They did well... - Charles Hansen 19:54:02 09/11/07 ( 2)
- RE: They did well... - john curl 20:14:58 09/11/07 ( 1)
- RE: They did well... - Charles Hansen 20:40:43 09/11/07 ( 0)
Glad to see I'm not the only one appaled at JC's "contributions" here. - carcass93 14:40:28 09/11/07 ( 0)
Double blind, blah, blah, blah..... - Ozzy 10:22:34 09/11/07 ( 1)
- RE: Double blind, blah, blah, blah..... - krabapple 16:58:52 09/22/07 ( 0)
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