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In Reply to: Razor your mags posted by Dawnrazor on June 3, 2010 at 00:52:46:
Though I haven't researched extensively, I don't think I have seen any feedback on the razor mod for the 1.7i. I just wanted to let people know that I have used Dynamat Extreme to great effect on the aluminum pole pieces (I have not done the rope caulk around the front of the frame(the "half razor")).
I have been impressed with these speakers since I bought them, finding them to be competent all-rounders. I had been dealing with the persistent perception of noise in the system however. To combat this I first purchased Mye sound stands, which helped to reduce an overall softness of the sound and images. After the stands I replaced my front wall (behind the speakers) diffuser and replaced it with a large broadband absorber. Doing so brought a large increase in clarity, as well as significantly improved tonality and soundstaging. These two steps were very helpful but in the end I think they served to highlight the self noise from the panel. This led me to the razor mod which I had known about and considered since shortly after I purchased the speakers approximately 18 months ago. I decided to move forward with the mod and found some Dynamat Extreme available locally from a car stereo retailer (Mach 1 in Roseville,MN). I then took apart the panels which was quite simple: Pry off the trim pieces, remove the staples from the bottom of the panel, remove the cable terminal panel, and pull back the sock. Cuttting and applying the Dynamat was quite tedious but straightforward. I did this while watching Netflix and YouTube videos and probably had 7-8 hours into the mod (but I am a bit of a putz).
The effects of the mods include a much more refined presentation, removal of a significant amount of noise riding along with the music, especially apparent with loud, complex music but also on subtle decays. The ability of the panel to start and stop notes seems greatly improved. My biggest concern with doing the mod was the possibility of a resulting "dead" overdamped sound. While there is an apparent but slight loss of energy, particularly in the high frequencies which can make the resulting sound slightly less "open", I have no nagging feeling that I'm missing anything. In fact I find the sound much easier to listen to over long periods.
*It should be noted that a degree of sloppiness in my cutting and placing the very thin strips for the tweeter section almost surely contributed to an unnecessary and unwanted additional damping of the high frequencies as some vent holes were covered in the process.
In all, I just wanted to pass along my opinion that this mod is still very much relevant to newer models and is a significant upgrade as well. Thanks for providing the idea as well as the tutorial, Warren
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Topic - Razor your mags - Dawnrazor 00:52:46 06/3/10 ( 80)
- RE: Razor your mags - nile49 11/13/17 11:13:10 11/13/17 ( 2)
- RE: Razor your mags - corkatoa 22:12:39 03/31/21 ( 0)
- RE: Razor your mags - Dawnrazor 15:21:29 12/10/18 ( 0)
RE: Razor your mags - nile49 11:06:51 11/13/17 ( 4)
- RE: Razor your mags - Dawnrazor 14:48:19 05/17/18 ( 0)
RE: Razor your mags - Dawnrazor 12:41:32 05/17/18 ( 0)
RE: Razor your mags - Satie 11:24:18 11/13/17 ( 1)
- RE: Razor your mags - nile49 11:28:12 11/13/17 ( 0)
RE: Razor your mags - jazzbeat 02:24:24 03/29/16 ( 1)
- RE: Razor your mags - Satie 04:56:23 03/29/16 ( 0)
RE: Razor your mags - jrdoe 19:55:07 03/28/16 ( 1)
- RE: Razor your mags - Satie 00:20:28 03/29/16 ( 0)
RE: Razor your mags - rhin0z15 21:36:55 09/29/10 ( 0)
RE: Razor your mags - Hoshi 10:21:43 08/29/10 ( 0)
- RE: Razor your mags - Dawnrazor 20:44:34 08/30/10 ( 0)
- RE: Razor your mags - Hoshi 13:54:20 08/31/10 ( 0)
RE: Razor your mags - dnm 19:28:34 08/29/10 ( 0)
- RE: Razor your mags - Hoshi 12:20:34 08/30/10 ( 0)
- RE: Razor your mags - dnm 22:05:29 08/30/10 ( 0)
RE: Razor your mags - The peleton 02:22:59 07/10/10 ( 0)
- RE: Razor your mags - Dawnrazor 07:50:51 07/10/10 ( 0)
- The choke tweak. - esande 16:00:59 07/15/10 ( 0)
- RE: The choke tweak. - Dawnrazor 09:56:38 07/16/10 ( 0)
- Thanks - esande 17:16:25 07/16/10 ( 0)
Some tips - Dawnrazor 14:34:25 07/9/10 ( 0)
RE: Razor your mags - Accurus 09:00:33 06/8/10 ( 2)
- RE: Razor your mags - Bibo01 00:56:53 06/9/10 ( 0)
RE: Razor your mags - Dawnrazor 21:52:54 06/8/10 ( 0)
RE Good Post!! Thanks (nt) - benie 01:11:09 06/4/10 ( 0)
Nice work all around D! nt - Webnick 10:53:00 06/3/10 ( 0)
RE: Razor your mags - sailor321 10:49:40 06/3/10 ( 22)
- Putting all this goop on the perforated metal screen (or "pole piece") ... - andyr 17:46:09 06/3/10 ( 0)
- RE: Putting all this goop on the perforated metal screen (or "pole piece") ... - pictureguy 12:44:27 08/30/10 ( 0)
RE: Razor your mags - Dawnrazor 16:51:37 06/3/10 ( 20)
- RE: Razor your mags - MaggieLover 09:28:50 06/5/10 ( 1)
- RE: Razor your mags - Dawnrazor 14:05:51 06/6/10 ( 0)
RE: Razor your mags - sailor321 05:27:56 06/4/10 ( 1)
- RE: Razor your mags - Dawnrazor 21:58:49 06/4/10 ( 0)
nice response - wazoo 19:28:49 06/3/10 ( 15)
- RE: nice response - Dawnrazor 20:01:14 06/3/10 ( 14)
- well, actually - wazoo 20:25:36 06/3/10 ( 13)
- RE: well, actually - Dawnrazor 20:32:19 06/3/10 ( 12)
- I can't do anything in 10 minutes ;-) - wazoo 20:50:40 06/3/10 ( 11)
- addendum - the full razor would be a major PITA for me - wazoo 06:52:04 06/4/10 ( 10)
- "The full razor" ... is that, like, a Brazilian?? :-)) nt - andyr 15:55:05 06/8/10 ( 2)
- oh andy - actually - wazoo 18:40:51 06/8/10 ( 1)
- Haha!! :-)) nt - andyr 19:19:26 06/8/10 ( 0)
- I had always wondered why the Crowleypan - Dawnrazor 22:42:12 06/4/10 ( 6)
- because it was easy (and I'm lazy) - wazoo 07:50:10 06/5/10 ( 5)
- RE: because it was easy (and I'm lazy) - Dawnrazor 10:31:45 06/5/10 ( 4)
- very nice - wazoo 06:53:49 06/6/10 ( 3)
- RE: very nice - Dawnrazor 13:07:25 06/6/10 ( 2)
- RE: very nice - IEaudiodude 15:03:30 07/9/10 ( 0)
- RE: very nice - Dawnrazor 15:40:53 07/9/10 ( 0)
- RE: very nice - IEaudiodude 15:52:09 07/9/10 ( 0)
- RE: very nice - IEaudiodude 15:56:33 07/9/10 ( 0)
- here's some - wazoo 14:58:39 06/6/10 ( 1)
- RE: here's some - Dawnrazor 21:53:34 06/6/10 ( 0)
Thanks to you... - Bibo01 07:18:14 06/3/10 ( 3)
- RE: Thanks to you... - Dawnrazor 10:22:12 06/3/10 ( 2)
- RE: Thanks to you... - Bibo01 10:45:56 06/3/10 ( 1)
- I fixed it. thanks nt. - Dawnrazor 10:48:31 06/3/10 ( 0)
RE: Razor your mags - gentlegiantfan 03:57:52 06/3/10 ( 0)
RE: Razor your mags - johnvb 03:55:14 06/3/10 ( 1)
- RE: Razor your mags - Dawnrazor 10:27:40 06/3/10 ( 0)
Impressive, DR!! :-)) ... - andyr 01:14:17 06/3/10 ( 14)
- RE: Impressive, DR!! :-)) ... - Dawnrazor 01:50:22 06/3/10 ( 13)
- Thanks, DR. :-)) ... - andyr 03:06:00 06/3/10 ( 12)
- RE: Thanks, DR. :-)) ... - Dawnrazor 17:04:42 06/3/10 ( 11)
- "Are your reinforcing bars wood or mdf??" ... - andyr 17:38:33 06/3/10 ( 10)
- RE: "Are your reinforcing bars wood or mdf??" ... - Dawnrazor 19:21:01 06/3/10 ( 9)
- "did something special with them"?? ... - andyr 19:54:33 06/3/10 ( 8)
- RE: "did something special with them"?? ... - Dawnrazor 20:09:41 06/3/10 ( 7)
- "IIRC you also used bolts and a channel to hold your drivers in place??" ... - andyr 01:37:29 06/4/10 ( 6)
- RE: "IIRC you also used bolts and a channel to hold your drivers in place??" ... - Dawnrazor 22:34:22 06/6/10 ( 5)
- "I can't tell if that channel is a U channel or a flat piece" ... - andyr 22:49:00 06/6/10 ( 4)
- I have done it the same way... - Bibo01 02:51:25 06/7/10 ( 2)
- RE: I have done it the same way... - Dawnrazor 08:09:32 06/7/10 ( 1)
- RE: I have done it the same way... - Bibo01 09:36:05 06/7/10 ( 0)
- Got it! That sounds like a great way to do it nt. - Dawnrazor 22:57:10 06/6/10 ( 0)