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In Reply to: Re: results....... posted by mikel on February 6, 2005 at 20:17:48:
Whoa! You just made my evening. No need to sale me on the virtues Placette. I have been using one for the last several years. It is simply the best line stage I’ve heard. Indeed, I recently took delivery of a custom built Placette Audio 6-Channel Channel Passive Line Stage that Guy Hammel and I have been discussing the better part of two years.But the fact that you are using a passive line stage (balanced) does raise a couple of questions that may or may not have had any bearing on your results. You explained that the Meitner was used in a balanced configuration and that the Esoteric was used with RCA connections. RCA vs. balance should make absolutely no audible difference, particularly with the very short runs (the Placette was very close to other components). But would this mean that the balanced Meitner was putting out twice the output voltage (probably around 4V at 50 kilohms) than the single ended Esoteric? If so, there would have been significant volume differences in favor of the Meitner (I think) when comparing the two systems. What was done to consistently insure that the volume was fair (within .1db of each other?)? Actually, there could be some significant volume differences even if the Meitner and the Esoteric were connected in the same way.
I also note that you were using Transparent interconnects with the Esoteric. I generally don't view interconnect brands enough to cause a black and white difference. But because you are using the Placette Passive Line Stage I'm not so sure. When I first got my Placette I was initially tried a Transparent interconnect. I don't remember which one. It was *not* a happy match. The sound was decidedly lifeless. Mr. Hammel at Placette advised me to find out the capacitance of the Transparent cable. To make a long story short at the time Transparent did not rate their cables with respect to capacitance. Fortunately, my dealer was able to measure cable capacitance and we found that the picofareds were way over the top, something like 300-400 per ft! This helped alter the high frequencies in a negative way. We called Transparent and they acknowledged that there interconnects were not designed with passives pres in mind (its my understanding that this is not a significant issue with a quality active pre). But they had a rather novel approach to attempt to resolve the problem. Transparent said that if we peeled the outer layer (skin) of the cable that this would lower the capacitance. We tested it and it, in fact, did reduce capacitance, but not nearly enough to be used with a passive.
Things may have changed at Transparent the last three or 4 years since I ran into that problem; interconnect companies are far more cognizant of capacitance issues than they were just a short time ago. Also it may have more of an issue with connections between the amp and the passive line stage than between it and the Esoteric. I'm not sure. But I would be very wary of Transparent cables connected in anyway to a Placette passive.
Robert C. Lang
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Topic - Esoteric 5-box ----Meitner shootout-----tomorrow - mikel 20:49:59 02/4/05 ( 41)
- Esoteric 5-box ----Meitner shootout-----tomorrow - ASW27 05:41:39 02/8/05 ( 0)
Re: Esoteric 5-box ----Meitner shootout-----tomorrow - ASW27 03:31:02 02/8/05 ( 0)
A different opinion on this subject from one who listened.... - Bud 10:16:31 02/7/05 ( 3)
- Re: A different opinion on this subject from one who listened.... - Jonathan Tinn 23:01:22 02/7/05 ( 0)
Yes, it sounds like it needs more extended listening or different samples/setup. - cjfrbw 12:51:43 02/7/05 ( 0)
Two more possibilities.... - Bud 10:31:25 02/7/05 ( 0)
Welcome back mikel and Ted ... - Christine Tham 03:16:24 02/7/05 ( 0)
results....... - mikel 22:59:38 02/5/05 ( 30)
- Re: results....... - Robert C. Lang 20:06:33 02/6/05 ( 5)
- Re: results....... - mikel 20:17:48 02/6/05 ( 4)
- Placette Audio - Robert C. Lang 02/6/05 22:18:21 02/6/05 ( 3)
- Capacitance of Transparent cables - Lew 07:13:22 02/9/05 ( 0)
- Re: Placette Audio - mikel 06:55:43 02/7/05 ( 1)
- I take your point - Lew 07:17:14 02/9/05 ( 0)
A few comments: - Ted Smith 19:39:09 02/6/05 ( 3)
- Welcome back Ted--haven't seen your comments in a while. nt - theob 06:28:53 02/7/05 ( 0)
Ted; Congratulations to you and your fiancé!! (NT) - graemme 21:27:03 02/6/05 ( 1)
- Thanks, I appreciate the well wishes from everyone, both here and offline. [nt] - Ted Smith 22:07:17 02/6/05 ( 0)
Great Run Down, thanks, - cjfrbw 17:06:28 02/6/05 ( 0)
Re: results....... - DM68 12:07:47 02/6/05 ( 3)
- Re: results....... - mikel 06:41:11 02/7/05 ( 0)
Classic Standoff between PCM & DSD - DkB 15:28:21 02/6/05 ( 0)
So adequate break in is an issue ... - Jack Seaton 13:42:14 02/6/05 ( 0)
I've been wondering what it would have been like... - DkB 09:19:30 02/6/05 ( 0)
Re: results....... - Jack Seaton 08:11:55 02/6/05 ( 4)
- Re: results....... - mikel 09:08:44 02/6/05 ( 3)
- "to me dynamic contrast is a particularly important issue and really allows music to come alive... " - Jack Seaton 10:08:20 02/6/05 ( 2)
- Re: "to me dynamic contrast is a particularly important issue and really allows music to come alive... " - mikel 10:37:20 02/6/05 ( 1)
- "time constraints prevented any experimenting in these areas". - Jack Seaton 10:59:34 02/6/05 ( 0)
Thanks mikel - Metralla 08:11:28 02/6/05 ( 1)
- Re: Thanks mikel - mikel 09:46:01 02/6/05 ( 0)
Amateurs... - Hairy Jerry 08:06:44 02/6/05 ( 3)
- for a first post...... - mikel 09:36:44 02/6/05 ( 2)
- Re: for a first post...... - Hairy Jerry 10:30:19 02/6/05 ( 1)
- Re: for a first post...... - mikel 14:20:44 02/6/05 ( 0)
Very interesting.... quick question - Steve Cortez 02:19:09 02/6/05 ( 1)
- Re: Very interesting.... quick question - mikel 10:19:49 02/6/05 ( 0)
So you saved yourself $45k! - Chris Garrett 23:35:52 02/5/05 ( 0)
Re: Esoteric 5-box ----Meitner shootout-----tomorrow - Mercman 04:43:06 02/5/05 ( 0)
Hey Ted - you're a 'veteran'!! Hope your nurse wheels you into a good listening position LOL! :0) [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 00:32:58 02/5/05 ( 0)
Ho ho ho... this should be interesting! Can't wait! (nt) - Steve Cortez 23:57:19 02/4/05 ( 0)