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In Reply to: Re: results....... posted by Jack Seaton on February 6, 2005 at 08:11:55:
Jack,this Esoteric gear was the same gear used at CES (i assume that gear was played for 4 or 5 days continuously there at minimum).....my friend had no idea how much time it had on it prior to him recieving it. he has been playing it for the last week pretty much full time. that would be at least 300 or so hours. i tried to describe the exact context of how i set the gear up to allow anyone to draw their own conclusions about my perceptions.
i have broken in lots of digital SOTA gear.....my opinion is that the degree of performance difference between the Meitner and THIS Esoteric gear is quite a bit more than what could be caused by breakin issues. OTOH who knows for sure? what i can say is that this session was in a totally familiar room and system. sometimes you just do the best you can.
sorry my comments weren't more clear.....it was very late last night when i posted this and i'll try to expand and clarify.
the Esoteric was less open on top and less airy than the Meitner. my comments on the issue of 'ultra-detail' have to do with the texture of individual instruments.....it was like they were 'highlighted' within the musical whole.....with un-natural texture. i would say that some might call this texture etch....others might like it.
the Esoteric did not bring out more detail in the soundstage....in fact i thought the Esoteric seemed to get slightly congested and less 'together' on musical peaks and orchestral peaks compared to the Meitner. the backgrounds on the Esoteric were not quite as 'black' as the Meitner......the Meitner had slightly better ambient retrival......which then results in the more expanded stage i described.
the Esoteric was tonally similar to the Meitner but images were less dimentional and flatter.....mid-range clarity and detail retrival was good on the Esoteric but better on the Meitner.
the bass extention was similar on both the Meitner and Esoteric but the Meitner's bass was more dynamically alive and had much more dynamic range and contrast. to me dynamic contrast is a particularly important issue and really allows music to come alive....it allows the slightest nuance to become musically significant.
there are questions here. what is the exact breakin level of the gear? did we have all the settings correct? did the fact we ran the Esoteric with RCA cable have a significant effect?
my opinion is that the gear was set up correctly.....that whatever breakin issues there were could not be significant enough to change my conclusions.....and that the RCA cable issue is typically pretty minor and most definitly not big enough to change anything.
there was no doubt what we heard.
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Topic - Esoteric 5-box ----Meitner shootout-----tomorrow - mikel 20:49:59 02/4/05 ( 41)
- Esoteric 5-box ----Meitner shootout-----tomorrow - ASW27 05:41:39 02/8/05 ( 0)
Re: Esoteric 5-box ----Meitner shootout-----tomorrow - ASW27 03:31:02 02/8/05 ( 0)
A different opinion on this subject from one who listened.... - Bud 10:16:31 02/7/05 ( 3)
- Re: A different opinion on this subject from one who listened.... - Jonathan Tinn 23:01:22 02/7/05 ( 0)
Yes, it sounds like it needs more extended listening or different samples/setup. - cjfrbw 12:51:43 02/7/05 ( 0)
Two more possibilities.... - Bud 10:31:25 02/7/05 ( 0)
Welcome back mikel and Ted ... - Christine Tham 03:16:24 02/7/05 ( 0)
results....... - mikel 22:59:38 02/5/05 ( 30)
- Re: results....... - Robert C. Lang 20:06:33 02/6/05 ( 5)
- Re: results....... - mikel 20:17:48 02/6/05 ( 4)
- Placette Audio - Robert C. Lang 22:18:21 02/6/05 ( 3)
- Capacitance of Transparent cables - Lew 07:13:22 02/9/05 ( 0)
- Re: Placette Audio - mikel 06:55:43 02/7/05 ( 1)
- I take your point - Lew 07:17:14 02/9/05 ( 0)
A few comments: - Ted Smith 19:39:09 02/6/05 ( 3)
- Welcome back Ted--haven't seen your comments in a while. nt - theob 06:28:53 02/7/05 ( 0)
Ted; Congratulations to you and your fiancé!! (NT) - graemme 21:27:03 02/6/05 ( 1)
- Thanks, I appreciate the well wishes from everyone, both here and offline. [nt] - Ted Smith 22:07:17 02/6/05 ( 0)
Great Run Down, thanks, - cjfrbw 17:06:28 02/6/05 ( 0)
Re: results....... - DM68 12:07:47 02/6/05 ( 3)
- Re: results....... - mikel 06:41:11 02/7/05 ( 0)
Classic Standoff between PCM & DSD - DkB 15:28:21 02/6/05 ( 0)
So adequate break in is an issue ... - Jack Seaton 13:42:14 02/6/05 ( 0)
I've been wondering what it would have been like... - DkB 09:19:30 02/6/05 ( 0)
Re: results....... - Jack Seaton 08:11:55 02/6/05 ( 4)
- Re: results....... - mikel 02/6/05 09:08:44 02/6/05 ( 3)
- "to me dynamic contrast is a particularly important issue and really allows music to come alive... " - Jack Seaton 10:08:20 02/6/05 ( 2)
- Re: "to me dynamic contrast is a particularly important issue and really allows music to come alive... " - mikel 10:37:20 02/6/05 ( 1)
- "time constraints prevented any experimenting in these areas". - Jack Seaton 10:59:34 02/6/05 ( 0)
Thanks mikel - Metralla 08:11:28 02/6/05 ( 1)
- Re: Thanks mikel - mikel 09:46:01 02/6/05 ( 0)
Amateurs... - Hairy Jerry 08:06:44 02/6/05 ( 3)
- for a first post...... - mikel 09:36:44 02/6/05 ( 2)
- Re: for a first post...... - Hairy Jerry 10:30:19 02/6/05 ( 1)
- Re: for a first post...... - mikel 14:20:44 02/6/05 ( 0)
Very interesting.... quick question - Steve Cortez 02:19:09 02/6/05 ( 1)
- Re: Very interesting.... quick question - mikel 10:19:49 02/6/05 ( 0)
So you saved yourself $45k! - Chris Garrett 23:35:52 02/5/05 ( 0)
Re: Esoteric 5-box ----Meitner shootout-----tomorrow - Mercman 04:43:06 02/5/05 ( 0)
Hey Ted - you're a 'veteran'!! Hope your nurse wheels you into a good listening position LOL! :0) [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 00:32:58 02/5/05 ( 0)
Ho ho ho... this should be interesting! Can't wait! (nt) - Steve Cortez 23:57:19 02/4/05 ( 0)