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In Reply to: 23 ICs Comparative Evaluations including DIY Belden 89259 posted by Kim on June 26, 2001 at 16:28:37:
It's a shame this review is not written in any form of deciferable english.They state: "cable quality cannot be objectively evaluated", which indicates a lack of understanding of the fundamentals of cable design.
Some of the conclusions, such as "symmetrical cable is usually terminated with XLR connectors " are simply not true.
As for the testing, I can't say that I agree with the proposition that you can take a range of untrained listeners with a large variety of mostly non-reference-standard systems and derive any solid conclusions from this. Many of these components and speaker cables are highly suspect and will likely change the results dramatically, particularly some of the amplifiers and CD players. The Denon DCD 1800 and it's problems with certain cables reinforces this assertion. It may be that the winning cables actually modified the sound of sub-standard components to make them sound better somehow. I have been lead down the garden path by cables that created a lot of resonant ringing myself. The effect is similar to that of the pleasant distortion harmonics that are created by some tube amplifiers. This is why is is critical to have the right program material with trained listeners.
A more accurate test would be to use a known reference system and play music with subtle vocals and percussion etc. The better cable will be the one that would allow every listener to hear and recognize these subtleties. Also, non-music noises such as running water and percussion should be used, so the recording venue and mixing etc.. is less of a factor. The cable that makes these sounds more natural and lifelike will be the winner. Another measure could be the subjective depth and width of the soundstage on certain recordings. Particular tracks on known-good recordings should be specified, not just the disk. There is simply too much program material used in this test.
My own experience is that as cables are improved, more and more detail can be heard and more lyrics easily understood. The soundstage also gets deeper and wider on good live recordings.
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Topic - 23 ICs Comparative Evaluations including DIY Belden 89259 - Kim 16:28:37 06/26/01 ( 37)
- not the twisted pair Belden 89259 - dljacob 21:37:28 06/28/01 ( 0)
Re: 23 ICs - Maybe they are better - Steve W 19:12:11 06/27/01 ( 0)
Re: 23 ICs Comparative Evaluations including DIY Belden 89259 - Thorsten 06:24:09 06/27/01 ( 7)
- Re: 23 ICs Comparative Evaluations including DIY Belden 89259 - Sean H 10:49:27 06/27/01 ( 6)
- Re: 23 ICs Comparative Evaluations including DIY Belden 89259 - Corndog71 18:12:47 06/27/01 ( 2)
- Hey Corndog71... - Sean H 19:36:28 06/27/01 ( 1)
- sorry for the confusion, yeah. (nt) - Corndog71 00:20:35 06/28/01 ( 0)
- Re: 23 ICs Comparative Evaluations including DIY Belden 89259 - Thorsten 12:17:15 06/27/01 ( 2)
- So give us a link to the recipe's that you prefer. - BobM 16:02:00 06/27/01 ( 1)
- Re: So give us a link to the recipe's that you prefer. - bilbobaggins 12:05:38 06/28/01 ( 0)
Re: 23 ICs Comparative Evaluations including DIY Belden 89259 - ChrisVH 19:52:01 06/26/01 ( 16)
- Re: 23 ICs Comparative Evaluations including DIY Belden 89259 - Jon Risch 22:22:21 06/26/01 ( 14)
- Jon, I find the 89259 to sound "rough", "distorted" and "aggressive" against a straight bypass.... - Thorsten 13:52:29 06/27/01 ( 7)
- Re: Jon, I find the 89259 to sound "rough", "distorted" and "aggressive" against a straight bypass.. - penguin 22:58:41 07/12/01 ( 0)
- Re: Jon, I find the 89259 to sound "rough", "distorted" and "aggressive" against a straight bypass.. - Jon Risch 21:03:35 06/27/01 ( 3)
- Jon, I agree that 89259 is a good starting point for DIY..... - Thorsten 08:09:38 06/28/01 ( 1)
- It is good to see a mature disagreement. - Kevin P 09:30:45 06/28/01 ( 0)
- Re: Jon, I find the 89259 to sound "rough", "distorted" and "aggressive" against a straight bypass.. - wilks 21:47:19 06/27/01 ( 0)
Re: Jon, I find the 89259 to sound "rough", "distorted" and "aggressive" against a straight bypass.. - Sean H 14:00:38 06/27/01 ( 1)
- Re: Jon, I find the 89259 to sound "rough", "distorted" and "aggressive" against a straight bypass.. - Thorsten 08:14:10 06/28/01 ( 0)
This is the voice of reason - Sean H 02:19:56 06/27/01 ( 0)
How are the Canare RCAs? Jon, or others? - Wilks 02:01:29 06/27/01 ( 3)
- Re: How are the Canare RCAs? Jon, or others? - Jon Risch 23:50:32 06/27/01 ( 0)
Re: How are the Canare RCAs? Jon, or others? - Steve W 14:14:38 06/27/01 ( 1)
- Re: How are the Canare RCAs? Jon, or others? - wilks 22:06:35 06/27/01 ( 0)
How would you rate Kimber's RCA plugs - hee 22:46:25 06/26/01 ( 0)
Re: 23 ICs Comparative Evaluations including DIY Belden 89259 - JohnR 22:10:53 06/26/01 ( 0)
Yeah - Somebody was not paid off !!! - Cut-Throat 19:47:34 06/26/01 ( 3)
- Re: Yeah - Somebody was not paid off !!! - Sean H 21:20:10 06/26/01 ( 2)
- Lots of folks believe there *is* nothing better than zip cord. (nt) - TLM 06:38:50 06/27/01 ( 1)
- True! And I see you are certainly NOT one of them. :) <nt> - Sean H 10:43:56 06/27/01 ( 0)
Re: 23 ICs Comparative Evaluations including DIY Belden 89259 - Sean H 18:43:33 06/26/01 ( 0)
Re: 23 ICs Comparative Evaluations including DIY Belden 89259 - audioengr 06/26/01 17:48:55 06/26/01 ( 4)
- I thought I was the only one! - badman 18:00:44 06/27/01 ( 1)
- Re: I thought I was the only one! - Corndog71 20:25:44 06/28/01 ( 0)
Moreover... - Corbett 18:26:40 06/26/01 ( 1)
- Re: Moreover... - Rick B 21:06:01 06/26/01 ( 0)