In Reply to: RE: Modeling the Bugle 45 PSU, any comments? posted by mqracing on June 29, 2009 at 16:46:46:
Most folks on this forum understand that there is a balance to everything. Most also know that copper losses are not the only factor in power transformer and choke design. While I have seen chokes designed to the point where core loses become the major culprit, I’ve yet to see this in a power transformer. The low DCR power transformers I have used and seen thus far have ran very cool and quite, had nice clean sinusoidal waveforms, and had very small external magnetic fields. The power transformers I use are simply over specified for the current demand I need. I just over specify the required current until the DCR becomes low while keep ALL other parameters within good engineering ranges. I don’t think anyone here is advocating throwing all other parameters into the wind over a singular parameter. That would be nonsense. I think what is being advocated here is the use of a properly designed power transformer with a low DCR secondary.
The point that cannot be argued here is the fact that the power transformer DCR sets the stage to where the power supply’s dynamic impedance will fall. (Active regulated power supplies excluded here) It is very difficult to get below 400 ohms dynamic impedance on a power supply that uses a 255 ohm secondary winding. Drop the secondary DCR from 255 ohms down to around 20 ohms and all a sudden you are able to get below 100 ohms dynamic impedance for the power supply. Elementary electronics teaches us that a power output section needs a low impedance power source. If the power source has significant impedance, then power losses occurs in the source instead of being transferred to our load. If you take the plate impedance of the 45 tube to be about 1650 ohms, which power supply is better for playing unimpeded dynamic music, a 400 ohm one or one that is less than 100 ohms?
If you are using a high impedance power supply in your power amplifier then you are leaving a lot laying on the table. I try very hard to keep my power supply impedance below 1/10 of the plate impedance for my output tube. This makes a world of difference in the dynamic capability of the amplifier. I like clean dynamic sound. Some people like the overly romantic sound of a high impedance power supply. I believe this is where one of the splits occurs between camps. Right, wrong or indifferent, not everyone likes the same thing.
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Follow Ups
- Power transformer DCR sets the dynamic impedance. - JLH 06/30/0904:23:03 06/30/09 (34)
- RE: Power transformer DCR sets the dynamic impedance. - Tre' 08:46:19 06/30/09 (33)
- Dynamic impedance explained - JLH 04:36:38 07/1/09 (24)
- RE: Dynamic impedance explained - zobsky 11:14:24 07/2/09 (1)
- R input filters - drlowmu 14:32:54 07/2/09 (0)
- RE: Dynamic impedance explained - Michael Koster 08:54:13 07/2/09 (11)
- It’s not about averages, it about instantaneous. (nt) - JLH 12:21:50 07/2/09 (7)
- RE: It’s not about averages, it about instantaneous. (nt) - Michael Koster 12:50:01 07/2/09 (6)
- The PSUD step function - tweakydee 20:02:17 07/2/09 (3)
- RE: The PSUD step function - Michael Koster 08:11:03 07/3/09 (2)
- great, thanks! nt - tweakydee 07:10:41 07/4/09 (0)
- RE: The PSUD step function - PakProtector 09:04:50 07/3/09 (0)
- RE: It’s not about averages, it about instantaneous. (nt) - PakProtector 13:27:16 07/2/09 (1)
- RE: It’s not about averages, it about instantaneous. (nt) - tube wrangler 20:27:08 07/2/09 (0)
- Great points - Tre' 10:49:32 07/2/09 (2)
- RE: Great points - tube wrangler 20:45:50 07/2/09 (1)
- revisionist history - PakProtector 04:42:50 07/3/09 (0)
- RE: Dynamic impedance explained - Testing123 09:31:18 07/1/09 (5)
- RE: Dynamic impedance explained - rdf 12:21:23 07/2/09 (0)
- Who IS this "Testing 123" and WHAT are his (or her) qualifications?? - drlowmu 06:24:06 07/2/09 (3)
- RE: Who IS this "Testing 123" and WHAT are his (or her) qualifications?? - Testing123 10:22:08 07/2/09 (0)
- Completely irrelevant. - Ray Moth 08:51:49 07/2/09 (0)
- Ability to reason carefully, and write clearly - PakProtector 07:04:40 07/2/09 (0)
- RE: Dynamic impedance explained - Tre' 09:23:45 07/1/09 (1)
- RE: Dynamic impedance explained - PakProtector 05:30:02 07/2/09 (0)
- A masterful explanation... - coronadope 08:02:07 07/1/09 (1)
- Brilliant post... - Nickel Core 08:33:04 07/1/09 (0)
- RE: Power transformer DCR sets the dynamic impedance. - Testing123 09:10:51 06/30/09 (7)
- RE: Power transformer DCR sets the dynamic impedance. - Tre' 10:38:27 06/30/09 (6)
- Piling On - drlowmu 06:25:51 07/1/09 (5)
- When are you going to stop doing this? - Ray Moth 10:36:15 07/1/09 (4)
- RE: When are you going to stop doing this? - PakProtector 11:00:25 07/1/09 (3)
- Then we shall have to agree to differ - Ray Moth 11:11:34 07/1/09 (2)
- RE: Then we shall have to agree to differ - drlowmu 06:31:05 07/2/09 (1)
- RE: Then we shall have to agree to differ - Ray Moth 15:56:32 07/3/09 (0)