In Reply to: My patience is now thoroughly exercised. posted by Tony Lauck on July 30, 2008 at 06:13:05:
Tony,
When talking with AJinFLA you're speaking with a being who's mind is set harder than concrete. Either he just likes to argue with everyone or else he believes he knows all the answers already so you cannot possibly hope to show or teach him anything new. AJinFLA is a prime example of the type of person Epictetus was speaking about when he said It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows.
I've tried to show AJinFLA why we cannot rely on measurements and specs to always tell us the true story. I then presented AJinFLA with this fact: What mics "hear" isn't what we as humans "hear." Why? The reason this occurs is quite simple. Around 3KHz our hearing as humans is less sensitive to diffuse fields. However recording microphones AREN'T less sensitive to 3KHZ diffuse fields like human's are! So when the recordings made by these mics are played back over loudspeakers, there is actually more energy in the 3KHz region than the person would have perceived if we were present at the recording venue.
Now if a person who hears this recording complains there's too much info in the 3KHz region. What can we do, trust their subjective opinion? Not here on PHP! All we could do is compare the output signal of the mic vs the input signal of the recording! Guess what!!! These measurements will insist this recording is exactly what the mic heard! So is the person's subjective opinion wrong? NO because a mic doesn't hear like human's do. Yet many here on PHP would simply trust the measurements & specs and insist this is just another subjectivist wacko who's fooling themselves!
I've tried to explain this before but, AJinFLA appears incapable or unwilling of grasping this concept... if a mic doesn't hear ---{ and hence output a signal that represents's how humans hear }--- than what it records is NOT an accurate replication of the live acoustic event from a human standpoint! Now I cannot speak for anyone else but, I want a recording that represents what I would have heard if I was standing where that mic was placed. I don't want a machine's interpretation of what I should have heard "IF" I heard like a mic does.
Thetubeguy1954
A Rational Subjectivist
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Follow Ups
- Tony You're Wasting Your Time Talking With AJinFLA - thetubeguy1954 07/30/0807:55:01 07/30/08 (46)
- All the soundwaves Tom hears out of his stereo were captured by a mic. Plus of course, psychogenics, tubes, cones - AJinFLA 14:10:49 07/30/08 (0)
- microphone - Donald North 12:15:02 07/30/08 (41)
- I've wondered why on many occasion... - Presto 13:38:18 07/30/08 (2)
- RE: I've wondered why on many occasion... - AJinFLA 04:29:38 07/31/08 (0)
- RE: I've wondered why on many occasion... - Donald North 16:06:23 07/30/08 (0)
- RE: microphone - thetubeguy1954 12:38:32 07/30/08 (37)
- RE: microphone - Donald North 15:09:58 07/30/08 (2)
- RE: microphone - AJinFLA 15:22:40 07/30/08 (1)
- RE: microphone - Donald North 15:28:51 07/30/08 (0)
- That was the notch-filter I was previously speaking to AJinFLA that his design uses. - AJinFLA 14:35:01 07/30/08 (33)
- Get Real & PLEASE Grow Up! - thetubeguy1954 17:19:52 07/30/08 (32)
- Just a thought here... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 22:46:22 07/30/08 (12)
- RE: Just a thought here... - Tony Lauck 06:02:41 07/31/08 (1)
- More thoughts.... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 14:40:56 07/31/08 (0)
- You May Indeed Be Correct... - thetubeguy1954 06:01:21 07/31/08 (9)
- In my recent work... - rp1@surfnetusa.com 14:07:42 07/31/08 (0)
- RE: You May Indeed Be Correct... - Tony Lauck 06:15:33 07/31/08 (7)
- RE: You May Indeed Be Correct... - theaudiohobby 11:17:52 07/31/08 (6)
- RE: You May Indeed Be Correct... - Analog Scott 15:25:19 08/2/08 (1)
- RE: You May Indeed Be Correct... - Tony Lauck 18:48:08 08/2/08 (0)
- RE: You May Indeed Be Correct... - Todd Krieger 00:58:09 08/1/08 (0)
- RE: You May Indeed Be Correct... - morricab 14:25:25 07/31/08 (1)
- RE: You May Indeed Be Correct... - Tony Lauck 14:41:28 07/31/08 (0)
- RE: You May Indeed Be Correct... - Tony Lauck 12:50:13 07/31/08 (0)
- 3 kHz dip and other equalization adjustments - Tony Lauck 19:06:24 07/30/08 (18)
- RE: 3 kHz dip and other equalization adjustments - morricab 03:41:47 07/31/08 (13)
- Lets see some acoustic measurements Chemist. Or is this the per usual fantasy? (nt) - AJinFLA 03:46:20 07/31/08 (12)
- RE: Lets see some acoustic measurements Chemist. Or is this the per usual fantasy? (nt) - morricab 14:32:04 07/31/08 (2)
- Ok, thanks for confirming for the rest that it was the per usual fantasy. I already knew (nt) - AJinFLA 15:09:09 07/31/08 (1)
- Ok, thanks for confirming that you are nothing more than a troll. - morricab 02:04:52 08/4/08 (0)
- Could you possibly have just one day where you're not... - robert young 08:41:07 07/31/08 (8)
- I Doubt It! - thetubeguy1954 11:46:52 07/31/08 (3)
- RE: I Doubt It! - george_jungle 20:45:00 07/31/08 (2)
- I Understand Completely - thetubeguy1954 10:24:55 08/1/08 (1)
- What I'd like to know... - Tony Lauck 14:43:25 08/1/08 (0)
- Still thirsty hypocrite (nt) - AJinFLA 10:02:54 07/31/08 (3)
- Nope. - robert young 11:29:54 07/31/08 (2)
- Yes I Would - thetubeguy1954 11:53:35 07/31/08 (1)
- first he needs to realise that he has a problem..... - george_jungle 21:19:18 07/31/08 (0)
- To avoid another diatribe from our calm, collected Rational Subjectivist - AJinFLA 03:39:03 07/31/08 (2)
- Typical AJinFLA B$ - thetubeguy1954 06:34:14 07/31/08 (1)
- "blood pressure pill" - that was good suggestion. He should also ask his doctor about... - carcass93 07:43:03 07/31/08 (0)
- Darn, I shoud have read your post before posting mine...nt - rp1@surfnetusa.com 22:47:56 07/30/08 (0)
- RE: Tony You're Wasting Your Time Talking With AJinFLA - Tony Lauck 08:47:26 07/30/08 (2)
- Tony You're Wasting Your Time Talking With AJinFLA - thetubeguy1954 12:27:24 07/30/08 (1)
- Capturing Music: The Impossible Task - Tony Lauck 13:54:04 07/30/08 (0)