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In Reply to: Just to confirm - in your experience, the changes (drivers, players etc.) on computer side.... posted by carcass93 on September 4, 2014 at 15:04:35:
The computer and the DAC form a system. Unfortunately, the computer creates a huge amount of noise. Various tweaks attenuate this noise. The various portions of the DAC also attenuate this noise. What one listens to is the remaining noise and it interacts in detracts from the music in various ways. It's rather simple. One can attenuate the noise at one place, at the other place, or at both places. What matters is that the total attenuation is sufficient so that no residual noise remains to plague the listener.You can argue about what is the most effective way to accomplish this goal. If your specialty is tweaking computers you will probably concentrate there. If you are designing DACs, then you are stuck with whatever computers your customers have and so you will concentrate on your DAC.
This is not a religious question. It's a matter of decibels. This is engineering, not magic. BTW, measuring this noise and characterizing the required amount of attenuation is not something that various dilettantes can do. It requires someone with a fully equipped lab and a lot of patience and dedication. It is not something that a hobbyist tweaker can possibly do with a scope and soldering iron. It's all too easy to fool onself when conducting listening tests, since moving a cable a few inches is likely to change things more than the differences we are talking about.
The problem is that reviewers like to give good reviews, not bad ones. So they evaluate DACs under favorable circumstances. That's all very well and good, but it perpetuates the situation. If they had a standard "bad" transport that was very noisy while still bit perfect and provided a complete review using this transport then DAC manufacturers would be forced to get their act in gear and walk their talk.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
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- RE: Just to confirm - in your experience, the changes (drivers, players etc.) on computer side.... - Tony Lauck 09/4/1417:15:21 09/4/14 (29)
- "religious?" Of course not:, Carcass' well reasoned comments - Sordidman 10:30:30 09/5/14 (9)
- Thanks man... you give me too much credit. These things are fairly obvious - .... - carcass93 10:56:50 09/5/14 (8)
- Catch22 - Sordidman 11:50:00 09/7/14 (0)
- Nice pic C93! - E-Stat 12:12:24 09/5/14 (3)
- I was afraid - and secretly hoping at the same time - that someone might ask. - carcass93 12:20:04 09/5/14 (2)
- RE: I was afraid - and secretly hoping at the same time - that someone might ask. - Archimago 21:15:27 09/21/14 (0)
- Honestly, haven't gone that route - E-Stat 12:35:56 09/5/14 (0)
- RE: Thanks man... you give me too much credit. These things are fairly obvious - .... - Mercman 11:28:32 09/5/14 (2)
- RE: Thanks man... you give me too much credit. These things are fairly obvious - .... - Sordidman 13:56:12 09/5/14 (1)
- No problem here! (nt) - Mercman 13:57:03 09/5/14 (0)
- This is a - fmak 00:21:33 09/5/14 (3)
- RE: This is a - Tony Lauck 07:22:16 09/5/14 (2)
- Finally - fmak 08:20:09 09/5/14 (1)
- Gee, it really doesn't take long - E-Stat 12:15:43 09/5/14 (0)
- RE: Just to confirm - in your experience, the changes (drivers, players etc.) on computer side.... - Jaundiced Ear 19:29:58 09/4/14 (12)
- RE: Just to confirm - in your experience, the changes (drivers, players etc.) on computer side.... - Tony Lauck 07:16:42 09/5/14 (11)
- RE: Just to confirm - in your experience, the changes (drivers, players etc.) on computer side.... - Bob_C 12:47:55 09/5/14 (8)
- RE: Just to confirm - in your experience, the changes (drivers, players etc.) on computer side.... - Tony Lauck 17:37:49 09/5/14 (3)
- I see - fmak 10:49:25 09/10/14 (2)
- RE: I see - Tony Lauck 11:50:54 09/10/14 (1)
- Great Insight - fmak 22:38:16 09/10/14 (0)
- Have you ever tried ERS paper? - Sordidman 13:33:37 09/5/14 (3)
- RE: ERS paper - unclestu 14:44:14 09/5/14 (1)
- Me too: I wonder what certain folks think about the - Sordidman 10:48:54 09/6/14 (0)
- RE: Have you ever tried ERS paper? - Bob_C 14:12:44 09/5/14 (0)
- RE: Just to confirm - in your experience, the changes (drivers, players etc.) on computer side.... - Jaundiced Ear 10:16:37 09/5/14 (1)
- RE: Just to confirm - in your experience, the changes (drivers, players etc.) on computer side.... - Tony Lauck 11:03:51 09/5/14 (0)
- RE: Just to confirm - in your experience, the changes (drivers, players etc.) on computer side.... - Mercman 17:24:49 09/4/14 (1)
- RE: Just to confirm - in your experience, the changes (drivers, players etc.) on computer side.... - Tony Lauck 17:26:07 09/4/14 (0)
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