In Reply to: Quote from Jocko who knows what he is on about posted by fmak on February 15, 2013 at 07:29:15:
"http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-source/29940-how-much-jitter-4.html#post3370964I would imagine that the jitter of a TOSLINK would be around 1 nSec or so. A really lousy setup. The rise and fall times are slow, and asymetrical. So, I would expect it to sound like crap.
And it does."
Fmak,
What a strange quote from 2004 made by someone who is now "banned" from DIYaudio from the looks of it.After almost 10 years now since that "Jocko Homo" post, has it been shown ANYWHERE using sound (or even reasonable) methodology that TosLink "sound(s) like crap"?
Even if he is correct about 1ns jitter, has that amount of jitter been shown to sound bad in music? Has 10 or 20ns even been shown to make music sound "crap"? Sure, I can detect 10ns simulated sidebands in a sine wave test tone, but that's not music, is it? (I guess unless someone just listens to sine wave test tones all day and this is somehow important.)
IMO, the answer is NO. A reasonably well designed DAC these days should have no audible jitter issues playing music through TosLink/coaxial/USB. There's nothing concrete to suggest otherwise that this whole "jitter" issue isn't just obsessionally driven FUD further exacerbated by market forces rather than perception and science.
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Follow Ups
- Who's "Jocko" and why is he BANNED? RE: Quote from Jocko who knows what he is on about - Archimago 02/15/1311:21:44 02/15/13 (28)
- RE: Who's "Jocko" and why is he BANNED? RE: Quote from Jocko who knows what he is on about - fmak 11:52:30 02/15/13 (27)
- In what way is this an attack? - Archimago 13:36:04 02/15/13 (26)
- Does it really matter who the man is? - fmak 00:14:17 02/16/13 (13)
- RE: Does it really matter who the man is? - Archimago 08:40:49 02/16/13 (12)
- RE: Does it really matter who the man is? - Tony Lauck 12:20:48 02/16/13 (2)
- sensitive to jitter - fmak 22:02:48 02/16/13 (0)
- RE: Does it really matter who the man is? - Archimago 12:47:54 02/16/13 (0)
- Behringer DEQ2496 - fmak 08:55:06 02/16/13 (8)
- What does "cheapness" have anything to do with this? RE: Behringer DEQ2496 - Archimago 09:14:55 02/16/13 (7)
- Crap in hi fidelity terms - fmak 10:21:47 02/16/13 (6)
- Sigh... RE: Crap in hi fidelity terms - Archimago 11:08:01 02/16/13 (5)
- RE: Sigh... RE: Crap in hi fidelity terms - beppe61 12:25:51 02/16/13 (4)
- TosLink, jitter and reality testing... - Archimago 14:31:26 02/17/13 (1)
- RE: TosLink, jitter and reality testing... - beppe61 09:16:15 02/18/13 (0)
- Why Toshlink can sound 'fine' - fmak 21:54:16 02/16/13 (1)
- RE: Why Toshlink can sound 'fine' - beppe61 01:02:17 02/17/13 (0)
- RE: One Man's Opinion About Using Toslink Cable - Maxxwire1 15:46:31 02/15/13 (11)
- RE: One Man's Opinion About Using Toslink Cable - Tony Lauck 07:05:32 02/16/13 (6)
- optical isolation from noise at the source is probably the dominant reason for the improvement - fmak 03:17:22 02/17/13 (3)
- RE: optical isolation from noise at the source is probably the dominant reason for the improvement - Tony Lauck 06:33:14 02/17/13 (2)
- We are not - fmak 11:20:54 02/17/13 (1)
- RE: We are not - Tony Lauck 12:23:05 02/17/13 (0)
- RE: One Man's Opinion About Using Toslink Cable - theob 07:16:12 02/16/13 (1)
- RE: One Man's Opinion About Using Toslink Cable - Tony Lauck 07:41:00 02/16/13 (0)
- RE: One Man's Opinion About Using Toslink Cable - beppe61 23:52:10 02/15/13 (0)
- RE: One Man's Opinion About Using Toslink Cable - Archimago 16:58:22 02/15/13 (2)
- RE: One Man's Opinion About Using Toslink Cable - Maxxwire1 17:41:22 02/15/13 (1)
- RE: One Man's Opinion About Using Toslink Cable - Archimago 20:37:24 02/15/13 (0)