You are mistaken, sir...

Posted by Archimago (A) on December 30, 2012 at 09:04:58

In Reply to: RE: When you say "remastering" do you mean "clean-up" posted by Sprezza Tura on December 24, 2012 at 14:13:49:

Sprezza Tura says: "Since HDTracks was a major topic here..they provide excellent examples.

Compare the HDTracks download of Gary Clark Jrs album Blak and Blue to the CD. The CD is a FULL 5 DB louder, basically at clipping. So OBVIOUSLY this was NOT done during the mix.

Second example..Rush's ClockWork Angels...the download and the CD are again worlds apart in dynamic range.

Third example...the Stones Some Girls and Exile remasters...a good 10 DB louder than the Bob Ludwig remasters from the mid 90s.

I think you need reevaluate your stance on no heavy compression or eq added during mastering."

Sir, I believe you are quite mistaken about HDTracks among other things. On the whole I find their releases very spotty and the actual audio quality not much different from the CD's (if any at all). Unless the release is specified as "uncompressed", the mastering is essentially the same as CD.

Your second example of Clockwork Angels is a good one. The 24/96 release has a DR7 which is the same as the CD release. Here are the results:

CD:
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Analyzed: Rush / Clockwork Angels (FLAC)
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR6 -0.01 dB -7.70 dB 5:40 01-Caravan
DR6 -0.05 dB -7.97 dB 5:10 02-BU2B
DR6 -0.10 dB -8.40 dB 7:31 03-Clockwork Angels
DR7 -0.10 dB -8.55 dB 6:52 04-The Anarchist
DR8 -0.07 dB -9.14 dB 4:52 05-Carnies
DR8 -0.10 dB -10.67 dB 3:14 06-Halo Effect
DR7 -0.08 dB -8.45 dB 6:34 07-Seven Cities Of Gold
DR6 -0.10 dB -7.80 dB 5:01 08-The Wreckers
DR6 -0.10 dB -7.84 dB 7:20 09-Headlong Flight
DR10 -2.61 dB -17.40 dB 1:28 10-BU2B2
DR7 -0.07 dB -8.44 dB 5:25 11-Wish Them Well
DR6 -0.10 dB -9.38 dB 6:59 12-The Garden
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Number of tracks: 12
Official DR value: DR7

Samplerate: 44100 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 16
Bitrate: 955 kbps
Codec: FLAC
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HDTracks:
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Analyzed: Rush / Clockwork Angels
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR6 0.00 dB -8.08 dB 5:39 01-Caravan
DR6 -0.47 dB -8.38 dB 5:11 02-BU2B
DR6 -0.50 dB -8.82 dB 7:31 03-Clockwork Angels
DR7 -0.50 dB -9.16 dB 6:52 04-The Anarchist
DR8 -0.46 dB -9.60 dB 4:52 05-Halo Effect
DR9 -0.50 dB -11.16 dB 3:14 06-Carnies
DR7 -0.38 dB -8.81 dB 6:33 07-Seven Cities Of Gold
DR6 -0.50 dB -8.28 dB 5:01 08-The Wreckers
DR6 -0.45 dB -8.18 dB 7:21 09-Headlong Flight
DR10 -0.81 dB -15.73 dB 1:28 10-BU2B2
DR7 -0.48 dB -8.85 dB 5:25 11-Wish Them Well
DR6 -0.50 dB -9.80 dB 6:59 12-The Garden
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Number of tracks: 12
Official DR value: DR7

Samplerate: 96000 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 24
Bitrate: 3115 kbps
Codec: FLAC
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Tell me, how is that "worlds apart"?

Others should treat your posts extremely suspect as a result of these comments. Also, I do not understand your issues with Steve Hoffman. He's not Vlado Meller... Show us some DR results from Steve Hoffman that proves his use of compression. I'm no fanboy but do respect the man's work in general over the years.
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Topic - Give Fans the Credit -- Recording Academy petition - Bill Way 20:41:52 12/23/12 (40)

When you say "remastering" do you mean "clean-up" - Sordidman 11:42:29 12/24/12 (16)

RE: When you say "remastering" do you mean "clean-up" - Bill Way 01:09:30 01/3/13 (1)

Scaling of digital audio to 16 bits - Tony Lauck 07:52:24 01/3/13 (0)

RE: When you say "remastering" do you mean "clean-up" - Sprezza Tura 11:55:49 12/24/12 (13)

RE: When you say "remastering" do you mean "clean-up" - Bill Way 13:45:50 12/24/12 (9)

Mastering = cutting! Constructing physical discs that others are - Sordidman 10:40:55 12/25/12 (0)

RE: When you say "remastering" do you mean "clean-up" - Sprezza Tura 14:23:18 12/24/12 (4)

RE: When you say "remastering" do you mean "clean-up" - Bill Way 16:46:25 12/24/12 (3)

Thanks - Sordidman 10:45:40 12/25/12 (1)

RE: Thanks - Bill Way 18:54:38 12/25/12 (0)

RE: When you say "remastering" do you mean "clean-up" - Sprezza Tura 17:35:19 12/24/12 (0)

RE: When you say "remastering" do you mean "clean-up" - Sprezza Tura 14:13:49 12/24/12 (2)

You are mistaken, sir... - Archimago 12/30/1209:04:58 12/30/12 (1)

RE: You are mistaken, sir... - Sprezza Tura 09:31:12 12/30/12 (0)

Good point - Sordidman 12:10:14 12/24/12 (2)

RE: Good point - Sprezza Tura 12:27:44 12/24/12 (1)

Yes, - I agree with you, - and if I wrote poorly - Sordidman 12:54:23 12/24/12 (0)

RE: Give Fans the Credit -- Recording Academy petition - Tony Lauck 04:36:15 12/24/12 (22)

RE: Give Fans the Credit -- Recording Academy petition - Dynobot 04:40:48 12/24/12 (21)

That's unfair - Sordidman 11:49:00 12/24/12 (20)

Now that you put it that way...I guess it was unfair - Dynobot 16:50:09 12/24/12 (0)

RE: That's unfair - b.l.zeebub 12:59:36 12/24/12 (18)

B. I apologize FWIW - Sordidman 09:58:59 12/26/12 (0)

RE: That's unfair - Dynobot 05:16:27 12/26/12 (16)

Record labels have to sell tons of product - Sordidman 10:04:34 12/26/12 (9)

No need anymore to crush for radio, stations do it themselves - Tony Lauck 11:02:17 12/26/12 (8)

Yes, - but did the labels listen? nope!! They still send the - Sordidman 13:40:06 12/26/12 (7)

RE: Yes, - but did the labels listen? nope!! They still send the - b.l.zeebub 15:58:41 12/26/12 (6)

I like to say "hot to tape" - Sordidman 09:28:21 12/27/12 (5)

RE: I like to say "hot to tape" - Sprezza Tura 21:04:56 12/27/12 (4)

RE: I like to say "hot to tape" - Tony Lauck 06:12:43 12/28/12 (3)

RE: I like to say "hot to tape" - Sprezza Tura 07:42:37 12/28/12 (2)

Yes, of course..... - Sordidman 09:18:30 12/28/12 (1)

RE: Yes, of course..... - Sprezza Tura 10:16:44 12/28/12 (0)

RE: That's unfair - b.l.zeebub 07:56:59 12/26/12 (5)

yep... that is true in my experience as well. -t - Sordidman 10:05:57 12/26/12 (0)

RE: That's unfair - Dynobot 08:58:25 12/26/12 (3)

RE: That's unfair - b.l.zeebub 15:51:08 12/26/12 (2)

RE: That's unfair - Dynobot 15:55:16 12/26/12 (1)

RE: That's unfair - b.l.zeebub 16:04:39 12/26/12 (0)

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You are mistaken, sir... - Archimago 12/30/1209:04:58 12/30/12 (1)

RE: You are mistaken, sir... - Sprezza Tura 09:31:12 12/30/12 (0)

You are mistaken, sir...

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