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In Reply to: Blind tests are an invalid measure of sound quality. nt posted by Norm on March 24, 2012 at 20:29:12:
Are you kidding me? Blind tests are the highest level of evidence of a *difference* in sound characteristic.
Whether that "quality" is an improvement is another issue.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Synergistic Research Tranquility Base/MacBook Pro - Mercman 11:05:37 03/23/12 (158)
- RE: Synergistic Research Tranquility Base/MacBook Pro - michaelhigh 07:27:23 03/28/12 (1)
- RE: Synergistic Research Tranquility Base/MacBook Pro - Mercman 07:45:34 03/28/12 (0)
- Perhaps this belongs in the Tweaks forum? (nt) - Scrith 10:35:00 03/27/12 (4)
- Mercman Said He Does Not Get Into Audiophile Tweaks... - Dynobot 10:41:16 03/27/12 (3)
- RE: Mercman Said He Does Not Get Into Audiophile Tweaks... - Mercman 10:52:21 03/27/12 (2)
- RE: Mercman Said He Does Not Get Into Audiophile Tweaks... - Dynobot 11:33:15 03/27/12 (1)
- RE: Mercman Said He Does Not Get Into Audiophile Tweaks... - Bob_C 19:55:41 03/27/12 (0)
- Hey Merc - Sordidman 14:39:19 03/26/12 (1)
- RE: Hey Merc - Mercman 16:49:28 03/26/12 (0)
- RE: Synergistic Research Tranquility Base/MacBook Pro - hiphiphooray@earthlink.net 05:00:21 03/26/12 (0)
- RE: Synergistic Research Tranquility Base/MacBook Pro - Scab 20:26:10 03/25/12 (0)
- Does it have the same effect if the laptop is not sitting on it? - bwb 16:22:24 03/25/12 (4)
- RE: Does it have the same effect if the laptop is not sitting on it? - Mercman 16:32:59 03/25/12 (3)
- What is generating the elctromagnetic field? - fmak 06:11:40 03/26/12 (2)
- See figure 6 ??? - Tony Lauck 09:01:59 03/26/12 (0)
- I would not be suprised to find crushed crystals inside suspended in a gel... - Dynobot 06:32:21 03/26/12 (0)
- Thanks for the review... - Archimago 14:59:56 03/24/12 (33)
- RE: Thanks for the review... - Mercman 16:11:32 03/24/12 (32)
- RE: Thanks for the review... - Part-Time Audiophile 09:34:04 03/25/12 (0)
- RE: Thanks for the review... - Bob_C 21:03:33 03/24/12 (2)
- RE: Thanks for the review... - Archimago 22:51:40 03/24/12 (1)
- RE: Thanks for the review... - Bob_C 09:20:06 03/25/12 (0)
- Obvious differences, blind tests and white lies - Tony Lauck 19:10:22 03/24/12 (26)
- RE: Obvious differences, blind tests and white lies - Archimago 15:11:40 03/25/12 (7)
- RE: Obvious differences, blind tests and white lies - Mercman 15:52:28 03/25/12 (6)
- Absolutely true: for the naysayer with his agendae - Sordidman 09:23:22 03/26/12 (0)
- RE: Obvious differences, blind tests and white lies - fmak 22:09:03 03/25/12 (4)
- RE: Obvious differences, blind tests and white lies - Mercman 12:25:39 03/26/12 (0)
- RE: Obvious differences, blind tests and white lies - Tony Lauck 08:37:03 03/26/12 (2)
- RE: Obvious differences, blind tests and white lies - Mercman 12:14:51 03/26/12 (1)
- RE: Obvious differences, blind tests and white lies - Tony Lauck 13:41:22 03/26/12 (0)
- RE: Obvious differences, blind tests and white lies - Bob_C 21:10:49 03/24/12 (0)
- Blind tests are an invalid measure of sound quality. nt - Norm 20:29:12 03/24/12 (16)
- Blind tests are an education. - Tony Lauck 13:56:51 03/25/12 (3)
- Double Blind tests are an amusement. - Norm 18:00:28 03/25/12 (1)
- RE: Double Blind tests are an amusement. - Tony Lauck 18:22:42 03/25/12 (0)
- RE: Blind tests are an education. - Mercman 14:07:19 03/25/12 (0)
- BS --) RE: Blind tests are an invalid measure of sound quality. nt - Archimago 03/24/1222:48:03 03/24/12 (11)
- "Blind tests are the highest level of evidence..." - no, they are not. - carcass93 09:23:26 03/26/12 (0)
- Many think the measure is invalid. Certainly, I do and would pay no attention to it results. - Norm 13:35:24 03/25/12 (9)
- Sorry... Disagree... RE: Many think the measure is invalid... - Archimago 14:51:26 03/25/12 (8)
- Isomorphic mean related to or characteristic of. - Norm 17:54:58 03/25/12 (7)
- RE: Isomorphic mean related to or characteristic of. - Archimago 21:50:45 03/25/12 (6)
- If you read what I said, I am talking about the double blind tests advocated and used by some psychologists. - Norm 11:23:14 03/27/12 (0)
- Norm is 100% right when it comes to the Null hypothesis - Tony Lauck 08:49:03 03/26/12 (4)
- RE: Norm is 100% right when it comes to the Null hypothesis - Archimago 17:27:37 03/26/12 (2)
- RE: Norm is 100% right when it comes to the Null hypothesis - Tony Lauck 06:27:37 03/27/12 (1)
- RE: Norm is 100% right when it comes to the Null hypothesis - Archimago 19:04:52 03/27/12 (0)
- Null? - fmak 09:13:11 03/26/12 (0)
- RE: Thanks for the review... - Archimago 17:11:04 03/24/12 (0)
- RE: Synergistic Research Tranquility Base/MacBook Pro - Bob_C 19:55:24 03/23/12 (0)
- Review is SUSPECT, I See A CLEAR Pattern.... - Dynobot 17:58:43 03/23/12 (66)
- RE: Review is SUSPECT, I See A CLEAR Pattern.... - Tony Lauck 11:59:26 03/24/12 (14)
- helps to have a very high end system... - Dynobot 12:55:04 03/24/12 (13)
- RE: helps to have a very high end system... - Tony Lauck 13:29:17 03/24/12 (12)
- Excellent point - mls-stl 14:23:59 03/24/12 (10)
- RE: Excellent point - Dynobot 14:58:34 03/24/12 (9)
- Especially when it sounds so much worse than good - Sordidman 11:09:39 03/26/12 (8)
- the "live" caveat - mls-stl 15:53:28 03/26/12 (7)
- My sarcasm aside - Sordidman 17:09:07 03/26/12 (6)
- Poor Guy - Dynobot 06:43:01 03/27/12 (4)
- RE: Poor Guy - Bob_C 22:51:06 03/27/12 (3)
- Me neither - Sordidman 15:06:39 03/28/12 (0)
- RE: Poor Guy - Dynobot 03:59:16 03/28/12 (1)
- RE: Poor Guy - Tony Lauck 09:52:58 03/28/12 (0)
- Sorry your experience... - mls-stl 19:43:55 03/26/12 (0)
- RE: helps to have a very high end system... - Dynobot 14:12:02 03/24/12 (0)
- interesting observation, so is bigger always better? - bwb 08:39:39 03/24/12 (37)
- bigger than his house by now. - Dynobot 08:53:44 03/24/12 (9)
- Nothing that you say must be true. - Norm 09:05:12 03/24/12 (0)
- RE: bigger than his house by now. - Mercman 09:04:47 03/24/12 (7)
- nobody is "picking on you" - bwb 10:00:20 03/24/12 (2)
- RE: nobody is "picking on you" - Mercman 10:16:18 03/24/12 (0)
- RE: nobody is "picking on you" - Dynobot 10:07:10 03/24/12 (0)
- RE: bigger than his house by now. - Dynobot 09:24:06 03/24/12 (3)
- RE: bigger than his house by now. - Mercman 09:34:37 03/24/12 (2)
- RE: bigger than his house by now. - Tony Lauck 12:23:33 03/24/12 (0)
- RE: bigger than his house by now. - Dynobot 09:40:17 03/24/12 (0)
- RE: interesting observation, so is bigger always better? - Mercman 08:49:41 03/24/12 (26)
- If "Most of my observations about soundstage are based on orchestral recordings" - bwb 09:43:33 03/24/12 (25)
- RE: If "Most of my observations about soundstage are based on orchestral recordings" - Mercman 09:55:31 03/24/12 (23)
- OK, I have no reason to doubt you but you still haven't addressed my original point - bwb 10:20:51 03/24/12 (22)
- Uh oh. Worm can.... - Presto 14:50:01 03/26/12 (0)
- RE: OK, I have no reason to doubt you but you still haven't addressed my original point - Mercman 10:28:20 03/24/12 (20)
- Revealing as in Micro and Macro Details??? - Dynobot 10:38:58 03/24/12 (19)
- RE: Revealing as in Micro and Macro Details??? - Mercman 10:46:29 03/24/12 (18)
- Micro and Macro Details??? - fmak 06:17:48 03/26/12 (17)
- RE: Micro and Macro Details??? - Dynobot 07:21:34 03/26/12 (16)
- Not convinced - fmak 09:02:40 03/26/12 (3)
- RE: Not convinced Okay I Can Live With That - Dynobot 19:18:13 03/26/12 (0)
- RE: Not convinced - Tony Lauck 09:09:30 03/26/12 (1)
- RE: Not convinced - Mercman 10:11:34 03/26/12 (0)
- RE: Micro and Macro Details??? - Mercman 07:38:06 03/26/12 (11)
- RE: Micro and Macro Details??? - fmak 08:57:48 03/26/12 (9)
- RE: Micro and Macro Details??? - Mercman 10:03:08 03/26/12 (8)
- RE: Micro and Macro Details??? - Dynobot 06:29:21 03/27/12 (0)
- RE: Micro and Macro Details??? - Tony Lauck 12:36:58 03/26/12 (2)
- This comes from a system that will play at peak SPLs about 118 dB - Dynobot 06:36:12 03/27/12 (1)
- RE: This comes from a system that will play at peak SPLs about 118 dB - Tony Lauck 07:11:22 03/27/12 (0)
- RE: Micro and Macro Details??? - fmak 11:20:56 03/26/12 (3)
- RE: Micro and Macro Details??? - Mercman 11:26:09 03/26/12 (2)
- RE: Micro and Macro Details??? - fmak 21:57:47 03/26/12 (1)
- RE: Micro and Macro Details??? - Mercman 05:36:02 03/27/12 (0)
- RE: Micro and Macro Details??? - Dynobot 07:43:58 03/26/12 (0)
- RE: If "Most of my observations about soundstage are based on orchestral recordings" - Mercman 09:51:12 03/24/12 (0)
- RE: Review is SUSPECT, I See A CLEAR Pattern.... - Mercman 18:14:25 03/23/12 (12)
- For some - fmak 22:52:29 03/23/12 (1)
- Soundstage is great - Dynobot 04:54:55 03/24/12 (0)
- RE: Review is SUSPECT, I See A CLEAR Pattern.... - Bob_C 19:54:22 03/23/12 (5)
- RE: Review is SUSPECT, I See A CLEAR Pattern.... - Dynobot 03:18:23 03/24/12 (4)
- RE: Review is SUSPECT, I See A CLEAR Pattern.... - Bob_C 10:11:08 03/24/12 (3)
- RE: Review is SUSPECT, I See A CLEAR Pattern.... - Dynobot 12:06:59 03/24/12 (2)
- Blocks of iron. - Tony Lauck 12:38:58 03/24/12 (1)
- RE: Blocks of iron. - Bob_C 13:59:10 03/24/12 (0)
- Okay nice - Dynobot 18:41:29 03/23/12 (3)
- Oi, "But I sure would like to know about other aspects concerning the sound" - Sordidman 11:04:17 03/26/12 (0)
- RE: Okay nice - Mercman 18:59:14 03/23/12 (1)
- I think your review is excellent. - Norm 08:48:32 03/24/12 (0)
- RE: Synergistic Research Tranquility Base/MacBook Pro - rick_m 14:30:57 03/23/12 (6)
- RE: Synergistic Research Tranquility Base/MacBook Pro - fmak 22:55:58 03/23/12 (4)
- RE: Synergistic Research Tranquility Base/MacBook Pro - rick_m 06:28:54 03/24/12 (0)
- RE: Synergistic Research Tranquility Base/MacBook Pro - Mercman 04:35:39 03/24/12 (2)
- RE: Synergistic Research Tranquility Base/MacBook Pro - rick_m 06:25:25 03/24/12 (1)
- RE: Synergistic Research Tranquility Base/MacBook Pro - Mercman 08:52:38 03/24/12 (0)
- RE: Synergistic Research Tranquility Base/MacBook Pro - Mercman 14:43:02 03/23/12 (0)
- Thank you Mercman - Sordidman 13:10:12 03/23/12 (1)
- RE: Thank you Mercman - Mercman 06:47:59 03/24/12 (0)
- RE: Synergistic Research Tranquility Base/MacBook Pro - Gary G 12:39:36 03/23/12 (0)
- How does it work? What does it do? - AbeCollins 12:11:41 03/23/12 (29)
- I think the bullets are the same value resisters but of different manufacturers. nt - Norm 08:52:28 03/24/12 (0)
- RE: How does it work? What does it do? - Mercman 12:31:23 03/23/12 (27)
- RE: How does it work? What does it do? - joneill 12:40:38 03/26/12 (10)
- The ripped SACDs at 176.4/24 must be heard - fmak 06:16:23 03/27/12 (8)
- RE: The ripped SACDs at 176.4/24 must be heard - joneill 07:04:29 03/27/12 (6)
- Why - fmak 08:10:35 03/27/12 (5)
- RE: Why - Mercman 07:15:01 03/28/12 (0)
- RE: Why - joneill 16:46:15 03/27/12 (2)
- RE: Why-this - fmak 01:38:45 03/28/12 (1)
- RE: Why-this - joneill 14:05:39 03/28/12 (0)
- RE: Why - Tony Lauck 09:05:56 03/27/12 (0)
- RE: The ripped SACDs at 176.4/24 must be heard - Mercman 06:30:12 03/27/12 (0)
- RE: How does it work? What does it do? - Mercman 12:47:59 03/26/12 (0)
- RE: How does it work? What does it do?If - fmak 22:59:47 03/23/12 (12)
- RE: How does it work? What does it do?If - rick_m 07:54:22 03/24/12 (5)
- RE: How does it work? What does it do?If - fmak 05:45:24 03/25/12 (4)
- RE: How does it work? What does it do?If - Tony Lauck 08:32:09 03/25/12 (0)
- RE: How does it work? What does it do?If - rick_m 08:02:34 03/25/12 (2)
- RE: How does it work? What does it do?If - Mercman 08:22:14 03/25/12 (1)
- RE: How does it work? What does it do?If - rick_m 09:01:19 03/25/12 (0)
- RE: How does it work? What does it do?If - Dynobot 05:34:20 03/24/12 (5)
- RE: How does it work? What does it do?If - fmak 05:49:06 03/24/12 (4)
- RE: How does it work? What does it do?If - Tony Lauck 11:47:14 03/24/12 (1)
- Not Broken...millions of dollars can be wasted - Dynobot 19:40:39 03/25/12 (0)
- physical and scientific principles = Pproprietary secret ingredient - Dynobot 05:57:12 03/24/12 (1)
- RE: physical and scientific principles = Pproprietary secret ingredient - fmak 07:19:38 03/24/12 (0)
- RE: How does it work? Mechanism of Action is Unknown...nt - Dynobot 17:59:57 03/23/12 (2)
- RE: How does it work? Mechanism of Action is Unknown...nt - Tarquineous 17:00:22 04/16/12 (1)
- RE: How does it work? Mechanism of Action is Unknown...nt - Archimago 13:43:34 04/17/12 (0)
Follow Ups
- BS --) RE: Blind tests are an invalid measure of sound quality. nt - Archimago 03/24/1222:48:03 03/24/12 (11)
- "Blind tests are the highest level of evidence..." - no, they are not. - carcass93 09:23:26 03/26/12 (0)
- Many think the measure is invalid. Certainly, I do and would pay no attention to it results. - Norm 13:35:24 03/25/12 (9)
- Sorry... Disagree... RE: Many think the measure is invalid... - Archimago 14:51:26 03/25/12 (8)
- Isomorphic mean related to or characteristic of. - Norm 17:54:58 03/25/12 (7)
- RE: Isomorphic mean related to or characteristic of. - Archimago 21:50:45 03/25/12 (6)
- If you read what I said, I am talking about the double blind tests advocated and used by some psychologists. - Norm 11:23:14 03/27/12 (0)
- Norm is 100% right when it comes to the Null hypothesis - Tony Lauck 08:49:03 03/26/12 (4)
- RE: Norm is 100% right when it comes to the Null hypothesis - Archimago 17:27:37 03/26/12 (2)
- RE: Norm is 100% right when it comes to the Null hypothesis - Tony Lauck 06:27:37 03/27/12 (1)
- RE: Norm is 100% right when it comes to the Null hypothesis - Archimago 19:04:52 03/27/12 (0)
- Null? - fmak 09:13:11 03/26/12 (0)