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In Reply to: These are the tests that really make me wonder ... posted by beppe61 on February 5, 2014 at 23:14:32:
It's possible the speakers used aren't good enough to let the advantages of the more expensive gear come through. Spend another $1000-1500 there and the test might come out differently. In other words, the more expensive system is out of balance. You can make really fine electronics sound very mediochre that way.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - These are the tests that really make me wonder ... - beppe61 23:14:32 02/5/14 (132)
- This kind of test... - mkuller 10:33:26 02/7/14 (0)
- RE: These are the tests that really make me wonder ... - Bob Neill 02/7/1405:56:20 02/7/14 (7)
- good point nt. - budget fi 10:24:44 02/9/14 (0)
- RE: These are the tests that really make me wonder ... - Bob Neill 07:52:50 02/7/14 (4)
- RE: These are the tests that really make me wonder ... - beppe61 08:25:09 02/7/14 (3)
- Bingo... - mkuller 10:22:52 02/8/14 (0)
- RE: These are the tests that really make me wonder ... - Bob Neill 10:13:54 02/7/14 (1)
- RE: These are the tests that really make me wonder ... - beppe61 00:29:16 02/8/14 (0)
- True. The speakers are fundamental - beppe61 07:01:25 02/7/14 (0)
- Fatigue & Inexperience Often At Fault - Jon Risch 22:38:44 02/6/14 (4)
- RE: Fatigue & Inexperience Often At Fault - jult52 13:27:35 02/8/14 (0)
- I am so lucky.... - BigguyinATL 13:19:30 02/7/14 (0)
- RE: Fatigue & Inexperience Often At Fault - beppe61 05:07:19 02/7/14 (0)
- That certainly seems to be The Amazing Randi's ace in the hole and why he never lost $1M. Nt - geoffkait 03:28:04 02/7/14 (0)
- RE: These are the tests that really make me wonder ... - Inmate51 18:45:00 02/6/14 (6)
- Let me explain better - beppe61 22:42:31 02/6/14 (0)
- Aren't you being a bit harsh with beppe?... - Steve O 19:30:24 02/6/14 (4)
- RE: Aren't you being a bit harsh with beppe?... - Inmate51 07:42:58 02/7/14 (3)
- I'm glad I caught you in a good mood... - Steve O 10:36:48 02/7/14 (0)
- I was triggered in some way from the post below about listening blindfolded bli - beppe61 08:40:24 02/7/14 (1)
- RE: I was triggered in some way from the post below about listening blindfolded bli - Inmate51 23:12:41 02/8/14 (0)
- wonder more at how our senses really work ... - tomservo 15:28:54 02/6/14 (29)
- McGurk effect = lip reading??? - Ugly 13:13:19 02/12/14 (3)
- RE: McGurk effect = lip reading??? - tomservo 18:00:44 02/12/14 (2)
- RE: McGurk effect = lip reading??? - Inmate51 06:23:27 02/13/14 (0)
- RE: McGurk effect = lip reading??? - Ugly 00:08:27 02/13/14 (0)
- " only closing your eyes lets you hear reality " - beppe61 07:13:51 02/7/14 (0)
- RE: wonder more at how our senses really work ... - Todd Krieger 00:24:17 02/7/14 (3)
- RE: wonder more at how our senses really work ... - Inmate51 09:02:51 02/7/14 (0)
- RE: wonder more at how our senses really work ... - tomservo 08:25:33 02/7/14 (1)
- RE: wonder more at how our senses really work ... - BigguyinATL 08:58:25 02/7/14 (0)
- Audio Myths Workshop by AES. Oh, boy, I can hardly wait. Nt - geoffkait 16:29:25 02/6/14 (19)
- "Poppy Crum" - you can't make something like that up, even if you tried. - carcass93 14:19:27 02/7/14 (3)
- RE: "Poppy Crum" - you can't make something like that up, even if you tried. - tomservo 19:40:18 02/7/14 (1)
- I did partially watch it, actually, 2 years ago - although I didn't really need to, .... - carcass93 19:53:07 02/7/14 (0)
- RE: "Poppy Crum" - you can't make something like that up, even if you tried. - geoffkait 14:41:10 02/7/14 (0)
- RE: Audio Myths Workshop by AES. Oh, boy, I can hardly wait. Nt - tomservo 17:32:41 02/6/14 (14)
- RE: Audio Myths Workshop by AES. Oh, boy, I can hardly wait. Nt - geoffkait 17:41:52 02/6/14 (13)
- RE: Audio Myths Workshop by AES. Oh, boy, I can hardly wait. Nt - tomservo 06:51:20 02/7/14 (12)
- RE: Audio Myths Workshop by AES. Oh, boy, I can hardly wait. Nt - geoffkait 07:16:16 02/7/14 (11)
- RE: Audio Myths Workshop by AES. Oh, boy, I can hardly wait. Nt - tomservo 08:27:14 02/7/14 (10)
- RE: Audio Myths Workshop by AES. Oh, boy, I can hardly wait. Nt - Alan Sircom 16:04:27 02/8/14 (3)
- RE: Audio Myths Workshop by AES. Oh, boy, I can hardly wait. Nt - tomservo 07:54:19 02/10/14 (2)
- RE: Audio Myths Workshop by AES. Oh, boy, I can hardly wait. Nt - Inmate51 06:56:33 02/12/14 (0)
- RE: Audio Myths Workshop by AES. Oh, boy, I can hardly wait. Nt - Alan Sircom 15:43:05 02/10/14 (0)
- RE: Audio Myths Workshop by AES. Oh, boy, I can hardly wait. Nt - geoffkait 08:59:40 02/7/14 (5)
- AES workshop folderol? - Tre' 07:46:47 02/9/14 (3)
- RE: AES workshop folderol? - Inmate51 10:20:43 02/9/14 (0)
- RE: AES workshop folderol? - geoffkait 09:19:48 02/9/14 (1)
- RE: AES workshop folderol? - Tre' 11:09:02 02/9/14 (0)
- Wow, you actually wrote something - Inmate51 10:02:19 02/7/14 (0)
- Beppe, Thorsten's post, Alan Sircoms and my posts are all saying the same things - Timbo in Oz 13:44:46 02/6/14 (1)
- Yes and actually i find extremely interesting the link to the article in Stereophile - beppe61 03:03:44 02/7/14 (0)
- Listener/tester bias is an issue in system evaluation - G Squared 11:38:45 02/6/14 (1)
- RE: Listener/tester bias is an issue in system evaluation - beppe61 07:38:10 02/7/14 (0)
- While... - E-Stat 10:52:34 02/6/14 (3)
- RE: While... - beppe61 07:46:37 02/7/14 (2)
- RE: While... - E-Stat 09:45:55 02/7/14 (1)
- RE: While... - beppe61 00:33:52 02/8/14 (0)
- RE: These are the tests that really make me wonder ... - Thorsten 10:31:57 02/6/14 (14)
- Thank sincerely for the explanation Mr. Thorsten and one straight question - beppe61 23:00:12 02/6/14 (12)
- RE: Thank sincerely for the explanation Mr. Thorsten and one straight question - Thorsten 01:00:51 02/7/14 (11)
- Ohu ... i have to stop listening to digital - beppe61 02:07:43 02/7/14 (10)
- Surely You're Joking, Mr. Thorsten! - Thorsten 04:15:52 02/7/14 (2)
- My vote for post of the year! - RGA 23:01:08 02/11/14 (0)
- RE: Surely You're Joking, Mr. Thorsten! - beppe61 09:17:09 02/7/14 (0)
- Not neccessarily, not even Solid State... - Thorsten 03:31:04 02/7/14 (6)
- RE: Not neccessarily, not even Solid State... - beppe61 09:03:20 02/7/14 (5)
- RE: Not neccessarily, not even Solid State... - Thorsten 10:25:30 02/7/14 (4)
- RE: Not neccessarily, not even Solid State... - beppe61 02:32:42 02/8/14 (3)
- RE: Not neccessarily, not even Solid State... - Thorsten 03:45:41 02/8/14 (2)
- RE: Not neccessarily, not even Solid State... - beppe61 05:48:03 02/8/14 (1)
- RE: Not neccessarily, not even Solid State... - Thorsten 06:56:05 02/8/14 (0)
- RE: These are the tests that really make me wonder ... - RGA 21:48:00 02/6/14 (0)
- Human ABX ... and humorous horsey business .. - bjh 09:43:27 02/6/14 (1)
- RE: Human ABX ... and humorous horsey business .. - beppe61 09:27:54 02/7/14 (0)
- Harry Pearson once asked his listening panel to compare an amplifier.... - mwhitmore 09:41:40 02/6/14 (11)
- RE: Harry Pearson once asked his listening panel to compare an amplifier.... - orthophonic 11:28:57 02/7/14 (1)
- When was that? - E-Stat 12:50:53 02/7/14 (0)
- RE: Harry Pearson once asked his listening panel to compare an amplifier.... - beppe61 09:54:39 02/7/14 (0)
- RE: Harry Pearson once asked his listening panel to compare an amplifier.... - Inmate51 15:21:26 02/6/14 (0)
- Do cite your source - E-Stat 10:45:35 02/6/14 (4)
- It was TAS - mwhitmore 11:51:18 02/6/14 (3)
- I think you have your story confused -nt - E-Stat 12:01:34 02/6/14 (2)
- Ahhh...! but it was such a catchy story! Party pooper!!! :( nt - bjh 13:21:33 02/6/14 (1)
- RE: Ahhh...! but it was such a catchy story! Party pooper!!! :( nt - E-Stat 13:29:36 02/6/14 (0)
- Sample variation? Not uncommon. N/T - carcass93 09:59:06 02/6/14 (1)
- No, no---the *same* amp. - mwhitmore 10:07:59 02/6/14 (0)
- "reach your own conclussion" - I have. Looks like participants had a good time. - carcass93 09:26:49 02/6/14 (1)
- RE: "reach your own conclussion" - I have. Looks like participants had a good time. - beppe61 09:34:18 02/7/14 (0)
- I'm not so sure what this test proves - Goober58 08:53:28 02/6/14 (4)
- exactly, - BigguyinATL 10:39:48 02/6/14 (0)
- RE: I'm not so sure what this test proves - beppe61 09:27:51 02/6/14 (2)
- RE: I'm not so sure what this test proves - Goober58 10:24:39 02/6/14 (1)
- I completely agree - beppe61 08:50:47 02/7/14 (0)
- This "Test" Didn't Show Anything.... (Long) - Todd Krieger 08:21:24 02/6/14 (7)
- Sorry ... how can i know for sure if a system in connected in phase or not ? - beppe61 09:33:11 02/6/14 (2)
- RE: Sorry ... how can i know for sure if a system in connected in phase or not ? - Todd Krieger 10:05:50 02/6/14 (1)
- RE: Sorry ... how can i know for sure if a system in connected in phase or not ? - beppe61 10:40:20 02/6/14 (0)
- Wow ... thanks for the very complete and valuable reply - beppe61 09:15:20 02/6/14 (0)
- Settle down counselor! - bjh 09:03:58 02/6/14 (2)
- As I wrote below, I asked YOU to define a statistically valid DBT. - Timbo in Oz 14:30:08 02/6/14 (1)
- RE: As I wrote below, I asked YOU to define a statistically valid DBT. - bjh 14:33:20 02/6/14 (0)
- RE: These are the tests that really make me wonder ... - Mike K 07:01:47 02/6/14 (2)
- RE: These are the tests that really make me wonder ... - geoffkait 08:00:38 02/6/14 (0)
- "they should be trying to identify the system/component whose sound they prefer " - beppe61 07:10:40 02/6/14 (0)
- For their own sake I hope those who could not distinguish a difference are "completely objectivist". - bjh 06:52:14 02/6/14 (1)
- RE: For their own sake I hope those who could not distinguish a difference are "completely objectivist". - beppe61 09:31:36 02/6/14 (0)
- Ya gotta respect the photo of the DBT participants concentrating. LOL. Nt - geoffkait 05:27:54 02/6/14 (7)
- Actually, that would be SBT - E-Stat 10:48:53 02/6/14 (0)
- Looks like an the first and last audio club meeting I attended. nt - Goober58 08:56:32 02/6/14 (0)
- One guy is so upset he's peeing on the speaker - nt - AbeCollins 08:23:41 02/6/14 (0)
- RE: Ya gotta respect the photo of the DBT participants concentrating. LOL. Nt - beppe61 06:19:19 02/6/14 (0)
- Fortunately, they failed the test - kerr 05:58:41 02/6/14 (2)
- Moral: never eat chili dogs just before a DBT. - geoffkait 06:05:09 02/6/14 (1)
- Give me chili dogs, spare me the DBT's - kerr 08:24:21 02/7/14 (0)
- Conclusion: Solid State Uniformly Sucks.. - Larry I 04:44:44 02/6/14 (2)
- RE: Conclusion: Solid State Uniformly Sucks.. - TWB2 17:26:07 02/6/14 (0)
- RE: Conclusion: Solid State Uniformly Sucks.. - beppe61 06:31:33 02/6/14 (0)
- Why don't the folk who ran the tests tell us what the value of alpha and beta were for this test - Timbo in Oz 03:17:40 02/6/14 (9)
- Actually, it doesn't matter. - geoffkait 07:40:09 02/6/14 (2)
- ABX is determinedly type 2 error prone. - Timbo in Oz 12:12:49 02/6/14 (0)
- RE: Actually, it doesn't matter. - middleground 09:40:57 02/6/14 (0)
- RE: Why don't the folk who ran the tests tell us what the value of alpha and beta were for this test - middleground 05:06:06 02/6/14 (3)
- Search on objectivity here against my posting name, and there you will have it - Timbo in Oz 13:00:41 02/6/14 (0)
- RE: Why don't the folk who ran the tests tell us what the value of alpha and beta were for this test - Alan Sircom 10:14:07 02/6/14 (1)
- RE: Why don't the folk who ran the tests tell us what the value of alpha and beta were for this test - John Atkinson 16:47:51 02/6/14 (0)
- RE: Why don't the folk who ran the tests tell us what the value of alpha and beta were for this test - beppe61 03:44:15 02/6/14 (1)
- Well, then if you don't know enough about hypothesis testing to know what I am writing about. - Timbo in Oz 12:03:29 02/6/14 (0)
- RE: These are the tests that really make me wonder ... - morricab 00:33:42 02/6/14 (2)
- RE: These are the tests that really make me wonder ... - Todd Krieger 09:38:19 02/6/14 (0)
- So look can be deceiving ... - beppe61 03:31:12 02/6/14 (0)
Follow Ups
- RE: These are the tests that really make me wonder ... - Bob Neill 02/7/1405:56:20 02/7/14 (7)
- good point nt. - budget fi 10:24:44 02/9/14 (0)
- RE: These are the tests that really make me wonder ... - Bob Neill 07:52:50 02/7/14 (4)
- RE: These are the tests that really make me wonder ... - beppe61 08:25:09 02/7/14 (3)
- Bingo... - mkuller 10:22:52 02/8/14 (0)
- RE: These are the tests that really make me wonder ... - Bob Neill 10:13:54 02/7/14 (1)
- RE: These are the tests that really make me wonder ... - beppe61 00:29:16 02/8/14 (0)
- True. The speakers are fundamental - beppe61 07:01:25 02/7/14 (0)