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In Reply to: I agree, but posted by Frihed89 on October 26, 2011 at 07:25:11:
Well, there's a lot of things designers do to make up for the fact that we're not in the concert hall, don't have musicians in front of us. I expect they're artifacts, often good ones, sometimes not so much. Alan Shaw has said that he sets the presentation back a bit because that's how he thinks live music (and other sounds) are in reality. Reynaud does something else that seems to bring it forward, without making it assertive, I should add. Audio Note spreads the sound out, paying little attentiion to 'imaging.' The new Reynauds (and my old Meridian M2's) image like bandits. This is the kind of thing I was writing about, I think, that you referred to.
But the original poster here is onto something. Of course what he's onto is that most folks KNOW that their living room ain't a concert hall or jazz club and could care less. They KNOW a totally objective sounding system is CORRECT, but they also know that getting a totally accurate representation of 'live' music into their living rooms is both a nearly impossible challenge and would be a mixed blessing anyway. They want something else, something a little less raw and overwhelming. Something more comfortable: all of the things we attach adjectives to.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Does anyone else take most comments about how something sounds as being a negative... - goober58 17:39:02 10/25/11 (123)
- RE: Does anyone else take most comments about how something sounds as being a negative... - thebordas 12:22:47 11/2/11 (0)
- If you... - genungo 03:50:40 10/29/11 (9)
- Nobody said there was anything wrong with it! - goober58 11:18:47 10/29/11 (8)
- You have no way of knowing if your system has no "sonic character"... - genungo 17:17:10 10/29/11 (2)
- I hope people know what their systems sound like? - goober58 18:18:15 10/29/11 (1)
- Ok, I give up... - genungo 19:23:17 10/29/11 (0)
- RE: Nobody said there was anything wrong with it! - lord addleford 12:01:46 10/29/11 (1)
- This approach? - goober58 17:21:49 10/29/11 (0)
- RE: Nobody said there was anything wrong with it! - lord addleford 11:59:04 10/29/11 (2)
- Words can only get in the way. Silence is Golden. - genungo 07:53:17 10/30/11 (1)
- RE: Words can only get in the way. Silence is Golden. - lord addleford 16:35:40 10/30/11 (0)
- RE: Does anyone else take most comments about how something sounds as being a negative... - lord addleford 19:33:57 10/28/11 (0)
- Exactly what is it about your sytem that makes the music YOU like sound good to you on it? - genungo 18:30:44 10/27/11 (11)
- RE: Exactly what is it about your sytem that makes the music YOU like sound good to you on it? - goober58 10:39:54 10/28/11 (8)
- It's "reasonable" sound you're after? You can't stand superlatives? - genungo 11:13:37 10/28/11 (7)
- Well what's the point of a superlative? - goober58 12:28:50 10/28/11 (6)
- There's no "good", "better", "best" ? - genungo 15:39:37 10/28/11 (5)
- Who said that? - goober58 16:28:16 10/28/11 (4)
- So, your "good" might be "better" than someone else's "best" ? (nt) - genungo 17:14:43 10/28/11 (3)
- Most definitely! Conversely my good could be someone elses sucks - goober58 11:27:31 10/29/11 (2)
- And, so... - genungo 17:20:06 10/29/11 (1)
- RE: And, so... - goober58 18:08:31 10/29/11 (0)
- Whatever he describes will sound negative! ~t - three_sox 01:38:05 10/28/11 (1)
- Oh, well... - genungo 05:12:42 10/28/11 (0)
- RE: Does anyone else take most comments about how something sounds as being a negative... - IEaudiodude 13:54:23 10/26/11 (0)
- I take them as something... - Jim Treanor 09:11:11 10/26/11 (0)
- No, but comments about comments are pointless. nt - tinear 08:10:07 10/26/11 (3)
- So what would that make yer post, pointed or pointless? ^ - Road Warrior 15:08:58 10/26/11 (0)
- Then commenting about comments about comments would be? - rick_m 08:27:06 10/26/11 (1)
- And commenting about commenting about comments about comments would be? - goober58 10:28:59 10/26/11 (0)
- RE: Does anyone else take most comments about how something sounds as being a negative... - soulfood 07:34:10 10/26/11 (6)
- Do you adjust speaker positioning and eq for each recording? nt - goober58 10:30:31 10/26/11 (5)
- Nope. What would happen? -nt - soulfood 11:40:21 10/26/11 (4)
- Well you being a venue critic and all I would think that would be important to you - goober58 12:31:48 10/26/11 (3)
- One has nothing to do with the other. - soulfood 13:43:24 10/26/11 (2)
- Loudspeaker position can everything to do with the realistic... - goober58 13:52:14 10/26/11 (1)
- Do you change positions for every song? -nt - soulfood 14:29:00 10/26/11 (0)
- RE: Does anyone else take most comments about how something sounds as being a negative... - FM 05:53:46 10/26/11 (5)
- If murky rolled off stereo gave the most musically satisfying lifelike listening experiences who would listen? - goober58 10:36:40 10/26/11 (4)
- By definition a system set up to do its best on real stereo will do the best possible job it can do - Timbo in Oz 18:09:03 10/26/11 (3)
- Again the this is the real world not an ideal one - goober58 18:48:06 10/26/11 (2)
- I see the problem the other way around that at the core of your doubts and the uncertainty of - Timbo in Oz 19:30:56 10/26/11 (1)
- No it's a leap of faith that doesn't ring true - goober58 13:36:12 10/27/11 (0)
- here's a review of some italian speakers - with a difference - jeromelang 04:52:12 10/26/11 (3)
- Yes I agree - goober58 10:39:21 10/26/11 (2)
- Of course it is, why do you need to ask? - Timbo in Oz 18:15:09 10/26/11 (1)
- Doh! Because listening to music is different than identifying recording differences! - goober58 19:01:30 10/26/11 (0)
- {{There is no sonic description that works for music - IMO they all just describe the sound of the system.}} - three_sox 02:25:21 10/26/11 (3)
- No lets not.... - goober58 11:17:42 10/26/11 (2)
- {{{I have other things to do and better, faster more direct ways to get them done to my liking.}}} - three_sox 05:48:13 10/27/11 (1)
- No enjoying my recordings is a heck of alot more fun than whining about the state of the industry - goober58 11:34:29 10/27/11 (0)
- "... they all just describe the sound of the system" - genungo 01:31:08 10/26/11 (10)
- See that's problem - goober58 11:19:16 10/26/11 (9)
- Trust? - genungo 14:10:12 10/26/11 (8)
- Very well said - Bill the K 20:12:13 10/26/11 (3)
- RE: Very well said - goober58 11:41:24 10/27/11 (2)
- RE: Very well said - Bill the K 20:43:06 10/27/11 (1)
- RE: Very well said - goober58 16:14:39 10/28/11 (0)
- Exackerly!! :-)) .... - andyr 15:08:54 10/26/11 (3)
- It happens ! - genungo 16:32:09 10/26/11 (2)
- RE: It happens ! - josh358 18:05:55 10/26/11 (1)
- I felt that way about ... - reelsmith. 18:52:23 10/26/11 (0)
- Sounds of..... - Frihed89 23:11:56 10/25/11 (5)
- Yea well... - goober58 10:07:22 10/26/11 (4)
- Actually - Frihed89 20:36:43 10/26/11 (0)
- RE: Yea well... - KnobSpinner 10:32:54 10/26/11 (2)
- I am the OP and... - goober58 13:01:06 10/26/11 (1)
- RE: I am the OP and... - AudioSoul 17:16:26 10/26/11 (0)
- Short of perfect reproduction, everything else is negative, is amusical, and should be .... - viridian 20:09:13 10/25/11 (1)
- That's a real problem for me.. - goober58 20:32:25 10/25/11 (0)
- OK, took me a while to figure out what you were getting at - josh358 18:39:22 10/25/11 (12)
- RE: OK, took me a while to figure out what you were getting at - goober58 18:57:07 10/25/11 (11)
- RE: OK, took me a while to figure out what you were getting at - josh358 19:06:04 10/25/11 (10)
- RE: OK, took me a while to figure out what you were getting at - goober58 20:27:00 10/25/11 (9)
- should we take your descriptions of the sound you like to be negative? - Analog Scott 10:22:51 10/26/11 (1)
- Of course... - goober58 13:18:02 10/26/11 (0)
- RE: OK, took me a while to figure out what you were getting at - josh358 07:02:36 10/26/11 (0)
- RE: OK, took me a while to figure out what you were getting at - Bob Neill 04:09:17 10/26/11 (5)
- RE: OK, took me a while to figure out what you were getting at - goober58 08:58:19 10/26/11 (2)
- RE: OK, took me a while to figure out what you were getting at - Bob Neill 09:11:45 10/26/11 (1)
- RE: OK, took me a while to figure out what you were getting at - goober58 11:21:25 10/28/11 (0)
- I agree, but - Frihed89 07:25:11 10/26/11 (1)
- RE: I agree, but - Bob Neill 10/26/1109:00:50 10/26/11 (0)
- What words would you take as positive? (NT) - Kal Rubinson 17:42:36 10/25/11 (39)
- Here are a few :-) - Brian Walsh 23:54:34 10/25/11 (3)
- I've always liked that song... - kerr 12:21:16 10/26/11 (2)
- none - goober58 18:10:50 10/25/11 (34)
- That's what I figured. - Kal Rubinson 05:57:57 10/26/11 (30)
- RE: That's what I figured. - goober58 09:10:32 10/26/11 (29)
- The musical experience? - Kal Rubinson 10:29:22 10/26/11 (28)
- RE: The musical experience? - goober58 11:12:39 10/26/11 (27)
- Huh ? ... - reelsmith. 15:32:10 10/26/11 (4)
- To me it's funny - goober58 15:54:26 10/26/11 (3)
- Wrong again. - Kal Rubinson 19:23:05 10/26/11 (2)
- I hear it all the time - goober58 11:29:55 10/27/11 (1)
- Confirmed: You cannot read. - Kal Rubinson 12:37:14 10/27/11 (0)
- RE: The musical experience? - Kal Rubinson 13:33:55 10/26/11 (21)
- RE: The musical experience? - Jive Turkey 17:23:46 10/26/11 (0)
- RE: The musical experience? - goober58 15:50:23 10/26/11 (19)
- ???? - Kal Rubinson 18:54:34 10/26/11 (3)
- Just a second there pal! - goober58 11:18:25 10/27/11 (1)
- Stop wasting our time. - Kal Rubinson 12:41:24 10/27/11 (0)
- "You need to learn to read more carefully. " - Timbo in Oz 22:32:41 10/26/11 (0)
- RE: The musical experience? - josh358 18:00:54 10/26/11 (14)
- I think that's a pretty good reason for buying a nice stereo - goober58 14:09:42 10/27/11 (13)
- RE: I think that's a pretty good reason for buying a nice stereo - josh358 14:38:38 10/27/11 (12)
- RE: I think that's a pretty good reason for buying a nice stereo - soulfood 16:13:58 10/27/11 (9)
- RE: I think that's a pretty good reason for buying a nice stereo - josh358 16:24:41 10/27/11 (8)
- RE: I think that's a pretty good reason for buying a nice stereo - soulfood 17:51:57 10/27/11 (7)
- RE: I think that's a pretty good reason for buying a nice stereo - josh358 18:14:15 10/27/11 (6)
- RE: I think that's a pretty good reason for buying a nice stereo - soulfood 20:12:38 10/27/11 (5)
- RE: I think that's a pretty good reason for buying a nice stereo - josh358 06:07:44 10/28/11 (4)
- RE: I think that's a pretty good reason for buying a nice stereo - soulfood 10:10:00 10/28/11 (3)
- RE: I think that's a pretty good reason for buying a nice stereo - josh358 10:18:34 10/28/11 (2)
- RE: I think that's a pretty good reason for buying a nice stereo - soulfood 11:51:21 10/28/11 (1)
- RE: I think that's a pretty good reason for buying a nice stereo - josh358 12:25:57 10/28/11 (0)
- 55 incher - goober58 14:54:58 10/27/11 (1)
- RE: 55 incher - josh358 15:16:17 10/27/11 (0)
- The pure "thing in itself", eh? Nt - Frihed89 23:13:09 10/25/11 (2)
- eh? nt - goober58 12:13:02 10/26/11 (1)
- Platonist/realist...nt - Frihed89 20:31:32 10/26/11 (0)
Follow Ups
- RE: I agree, but - Bob Neill 10/26/1109:00:50 10/26/11 (0)