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In Reply to: AFAIK, they're referring to Clark's amlifier challenge posted by josh358 on February 11, 2011 at 08:59:38:
of including unproven assumptions in the *test". Naturally, he required that both amplifiers be connected to a common ABX box. So what's wrong with that? Isn't the impedance of the switches low enough to prevent any issues? Surely such a simple box will have zero effect on the outcome. Right? Not according to Frank Van Alstine. Oops . And for those who say that you can simply switch both sides to eliminate the problem, then there's this . So let's compare the shared signal of both to the shared signal of both. Hear any differences?
While not intended, you find all sorts of ways that researchers dumb down tests (E Brad's Hi Rez test anyone?) and then blindly follow the results of the contrived tests.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - HydrogenAudio "discusses" audiophile event. - carcass93 11:12:12 02/9/11 (114)
- The lack of self-knowledge here is evident! - Pat D 01:31:31 02/12/11 (8)
- you know their address - hifitommy 22:30:55 02/14/11 (0)
- Patty... I know it's difficult for you to understand, but there's difference. - carcass93 19:02:11 02/12/11 (0)
- Pat mine was just an observation and analysis. - Analog Scott 15:33:33 02/12/11 (2)
- Ahh, a perfect illustration of my point. (nt) - Pat D 17:49:14 02/12/11 (1)
- um no actually it is the opposite of your point - Analog Scott 19:12:48 02/12/11 (0)
- So right! - bjh 08:28:33 02/12/11 (1)
- Besides - Charles Hansen 12:48:24 02/12/11 (0)
- That's true, but... - kerr 07:57:46 02/12/11 (0)
- Hydrogenaudio takes sour grapes to the level of mob mentality - Analog Scott 10:18:23 02/11/11 (0)
- Critic's Corner has a stuck groundhog day going still. nt - kurt s 21:11:44 02/10/11 (5)
- I hope your comment makes sense for you. - carcass93 08:39:56 02/11/11 (4)
- RE: I hope your comment makes sense for you. - kurt s 22:52:41 02/11/11 (0)
- Actually, it was a rather funny movie reference. - Enophile 10:12:27 02/11/11 (2)
- You mean he's not saying... - mkuller 11:58:42 02/12/11 (0)
- No, I know the movie... but why is it the same day here? - carcass93 11:38:35 02/11/11 (0)
- RE: HydrogenAudio "discusses" audiophile event. - bjh 08:12:28 02/10/11 (63)
- Selective quotation - Pat D 01:39:56 02/12/11 (5)
- It's a good thing you're here... - mkuller 11:59:38 02/12/11 (4)
- RE: It's a good thing you're here... - Pat D 17:51:07 02/12/11 (3)
- Exactly! - bjh 07:52:17 02/13/11 (2)
- What are you babbling about? (nt) - Pat D 09:39:53 02/13/11 (1)
- Acute ESL (English as Second Language) syndrome, Pat? N/T - carcass93 18:42:22 02/13/11 (0)
- Seems to me they're both right - josh358 19:23:26 02/10/11 (0)
- RE: HydrogenAudio "discusses" audiophile event. - mls-stl 13:13:23 02/10/11 (19)
- The problem with "personal experiences" - especially those of the psychological variety - is they are not tran - Analog Scott 10:22:59 02/11/11 (6)
- RE: The problem with "personal experiences" - especially those of the psychological variety - is they are not tran - josh358 18:35:17 02/12/11 (0)
- RE: The problem with "personal experiences" - especially those of the psychological variety - is they are not tran - mls-stl 12:31:33 02/11/11 (4)
- RE: The problem with "personal experiences" - especially those of the psychological variety - is they are not tran - Analog Scott 17:50:52 02/11/11 (3)
- Then it seems... - mls-stl 19:37:12 02/11/11 (2)
- RE: Then it seems... - josh358 18:48:50 02/12/11 (1)
- Thanks for your insightful comments... - mls-stl 19:57:29 02/12/11 (0)
- RE: HydrogenAudio "discusses" audiophile event. - Iron Knee 16:47:10 02/10/11 (5)
- RE: HydrogenAudio "discusses" audiophile event. - mls-stl 16:58:51 02/10/11 (4)
- RE: HydrogenAudio "discusses" audiophile event. - Iron Knee 17:29:12 02/10/11 (3)
- Audiophiles think "together"? The only place where it happens that I'm aware of is... - carcass93 08:53:38 02/11/11 (0)
- RE: HydrogenAudio "discusses" audiophile event. - mls-stl 17:49:25 02/10/11 (1)
- RE: HydrogenAudio "discusses" audiophile event. - Iron Knee 17:55:47 02/10/11 (0)
- "physical and psychological factors" - unfortunately,... - carcass93 13:24:14 02/10/11 (5)
- understanding - mls-stl 13:56:13 02/10/11 (4)
- Wait... "set of scientific procedures" - is that what I'm thinking? - carcass93 14:05:03 02/10/11 (3)
- RE: Wait... "set of scientific procedures" - is that what I'm thinking? - mls-stl 14:47:15 02/10/11 (2)
- Thanks - my curiosity is satisfied. It's what I thought it was. - carcass93 15:03:39 02/10/11 (1)
- Thanks for the discussion - mls-stl 16:05:13 02/10/11 (0)
- So true! - kerr 09:53:57 02/10/11 (22)
- In all fairness - josh358 19:32:43 02/10/11 (21)
- RE: In all fairness - kerr 06:08:37 02/11/11 (20)
- RE: In all fairness - josh358 06:45:29 02/11/11 (19)
- RE: In all fairness - kerr 07:53:01 02/11/11 (18)
- AFAIK, they're referring to Clark's amlifier challenge - josh358 08:59:38 02/11/11 (17)
- Thank you - John Atkinson 07:12:10 02/14/11 (1)
- RE: Thank you - josh358 15:09:18 02/16/11 (0)
- Here's another great example - E-Stat 02/11/1113:53:27 02/11/11 (3)
- Those high res tests were a joke - josh358 09:13:43 02/12/11 (2)
- ABX tests can be useful in some cases - E-Stat 09:35:23 02/12/11 (1)
- RE: ABX tests can be useful in some cases - josh358 17:27:51 02/12/11 (0)
- RE: AFAIK, they're referring to Clark's amlifier challenge - kerr 12:02:12 02/11/11 (1)
- RE: AFAIK, they're referring to Clark's amlifier challenge - josh358 10:08:13 02/12/11 (0)
- RE: AFAIK, they're referring to Clark's amlifier challenge - John Atkinson 10:24:53 02/11/11 (8)
- RE: AFAIK, they're referring to Clark's amlifier challenge - josh358 10:01:46 02/12/11 (6)
- "Out for blood"? - E-Stat 13:13:07 02/12/11 (5)
- RE: "Out for blood"? - Pat D 17:53:38 02/12/11 (4)
- As for me - E-Stat 18:29:54 02/12/11 (3)
- No, not a train wreck. - carcass93 19:10:38 02/12/11 (2)
- RE: No, not a train wreck. - kerr 09:26:35 02/13/11 (0)
- I'll take your word for it :) -nt - E-Stat 19:30:52 02/12/11 (0)
- RE: AFAIK, they're referring to Clark's amlifier challenge - Pat D 09:12:29 02/12/11 (0)
- "IME many personal experiences are a total waste of my time." Yikes. - Enophile 09:16:38 02/10/11 (12)
- paradox in one line, IME ( in my experience ) followed by personal experiences are a waste of time. - Edp 11:50:48 02/11/11 (0)
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- RE: What a sad way to go thru life - kerr 09:59:24 02/10/11 (7)
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- My response - kerr 13:19:18 02/10/11 (4)
- "A DBT would be fine for something as obvious as a train whistle; not so fine for subtle differences." Exactly - Enophile 13:44:27 02/10/11 (1)
- RE: "A DBT would be fine for something as obvious as a train whistle; not so fine for subtle differences." Exactly - kerr 05:44:12 02/11/11 (0)
- RE: My response - mls-stl 13:32:13 02/10/11 (1)
- RE: My response - kerr 05:41:31 02/11/11 (0)
- So much vitriol - E-Stat 07:09:01 02/10/11 (7)
- "listen to more music and let it soothe their soul" - of course! - carcass93 08:44:42 02/10/11 (6)
- Exactly! - E-Stat 08:52:12 02/10/11 (5)
- RE: Exactly! - rick_m 08:43:49 02/12/11 (4)
- Speaking of 1974 - E-Stat 09:10:38 02/12/11 (3)
- RE: Speaking of 1974 - rick_m 19:48:37 02/12/11 (2)
- The ICK - E-Stat 19:58:26 02/12/11 (1)
- RE: The ICK - kerr 10:58:00 02/14/11 (0)
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- The cat came back . . . - Pat D 16:35:19 02/9/11 (0)
- RE: HydrogenAudio "discusses" audiophile event. - Alan Sircom 12:36:25 02/9/11 (6)
- RE: HydrogenAudio "discusses" audiophile event. - John Atkinson 07:33:54 02/12/11 (1)
- RE: HydrogenAudio "discusses" audiophile event. - Alan Sircom 07:52:49 02/14/11 (0)
- That's great. I always suspected they have... - carcass93 12:47:07 02/9/11 (3)
- RE: That's great. I always suspected they have... - Alan Sircom 13:13:56 02/9/11 (2)
- "it's just audio" - kerr 09:57:52 02/10/11 (0)
- yes, a bunch of chest beaters - hifitommy 20:42:51 02/9/11 (0)
- RE: HydrogenAudio "discusses" audiophile event. - Iron Knee 12:12:25 02/9/11 (4)
- "fate accomplis? " - Kal Rubinson 15:10:32 02/9/11 (1)
- RE: "fate accomplis? " - Iron Knee 15:23:32 02/9/11 (0)
- You mean - is it more or less necessary than... - carcass93 12:18:12 02/9/11 (1)
- RE: You mean - is it more or less necessary than... - Iron Knee 12:42:58 02/9/11 (0)
- RE: HydrogenAudio "discusses" audiophile event. - John Atkinson 12:00:56 02/9/11 (8)
- RE: HydrogenAudio "discusses" audiophile event. - morricab 05:29:40 02/10/11 (0)
- Hydrogen Audio follows a path eerily similar to... - Enophile 15:18:33 02/9/11 (1)
- "Vivaldi is superior to Barney" - that will go without a hiccup. - carcass93 19:32:18 02/9/11 (0)
- Uh-oh... I see you decided to chime in there. - carcass93 13:50:28 02/9/11 (3)
- RE: Uh-oh... I see you decided to chime in there. - John Atkinson 14:31:45 02/9/11 (2)
- Maybe he'd go if you promised not to play any music. - Enophile 15:49:34 02/9/11 (1)
- They would - but only if recorded in no higher than 128 Kbps MP3. N/T - carcass93 19:15:31 02/9/11 (0)
- RE: HydrogenAudio "discusses" audiophile event. - josh358 13:33:45 02/9/11 (0)
Follow Ups
- Here's another great example - E-Stat 02/11/1113:53:27 02/11/11 (3)
- Those high res tests were a joke - josh358 09:13:43 02/12/11 (2)
- ABX tests can be useful in some cases - E-Stat 09:35:23 02/12/11 (1)
- RE: ABX tests can be useful in some cases - josh358 17:27:51 02/12/11 (0)