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1: Speaking of fusing, audiophiles led the way in cryogenic treatments (12.40)
Posted by Ktem on 2013-10-20, 19:13:52 (98.115.40.102)
Never mind making your cables frigid, now you can fuse your wrinkles.... (What really prompted this was seeing a cryogenic yoga or cryogenic chamber of some sort advertised at a local gym, but the fac .......
2: Who are you sending your stuff for cryogenic treatment? (12.40)
Posted by Carl G on 2013-12-18, 21:26:37 (68.5.209.2)
Ive called Cryogenic international and they have a wait of around two months, who do you suggest. I have some cables and outlets thanks .......
3: Re: Cryogenic Society of America (11.41)
Posted by geoffkait on 2001-02-09, 09:22:47 (192.91.146.34)
This site might be helpful for anyone with questions regarding cryogenic applications more in line with the audio related discussions on this board. http://www-csa.fnal.gov/ .......
4: Cryogenic treatment (11.15)
Posted by Rcreations on 2001-09-07, 07:12:21 (24.159.233.9)
anyone have any personal results with items/products processed by LN2 (Liquid Nitrogen) immersion Cryogenic treatment? not looking for the scientific debates, rather inmates that have had treatment do .......
5: power cord treatment (10.78)
Posted by stator_99@yahoo.com on 2004-03-03, 21:01:07 (69.164.156.29)
Has anyone out there ever had a power cord cryogenic treated to see if it makes an improvement? Have any of you guys ever tried to cryogenic treat your own stuff with liquid nitrogen? .......
6: Reading comprehension fail (10.64)
Posted by geoffkait on 2015-04-07, 18:12:05 (174.236.228.97)
Nobody asserted -20 F was a cryogenic temperature. What I asserted was that treatments at non cryogenic temperatures such as found in home freezer compartments are irreversible. I.e., the home freezer .......
7: question about cryogenic treatment (10.15)
Posted by analogkid on 2003-01-07, 11:55:32 (68.39.6.97)
Hi guys, I have a question about cryogenic treatment. Specifically, I'm considering getting my ears cryogenically treated. Do you think I should just get one done first so I can do an A/B comparison, .......
8: RE: No way is it universal in motorsports (9.97)
Posted by Palustris on 2013-10-21, 11:41:08 (24.128.56.10)
Stu, My guess is that motorsports aren't a primary hobby for you since your statements are simply not true. Not every NASCAR team uses cryogenic treatment of engine parts, much less suspension parts. .......
9: Dry Ice Treatment Anyone? (9.82)
Posted by Kenn on 2005-06-19, 07:41:00 (66.11.181.171)
I am not initiating a debate on the merit of cryogenic treatment (feel free to start another thread if you want). I am just curious if anyone has actual experience or educated scientific opinion, inst .......
10: Cryogenic Tempering of Wire (9.49)
Posted by Beatnik on 2001-02-08, 12:50:44 (64.12.105.43)
Does anyone have any information on the positive or negative effects of cryogenic tempering of copper or silver wire? Are there any significant changes in the metal's structure when frozen at -300 F f .......
11: That is hardly cryogenic treatment (9.21)
Posted by Double Trouble on 2002-08-12, 01:42:00 (203.109.254.54)
It is a Friday afternoon walk down 5th Avenue in January. You are just kidding yourself/us. Cryogenic treatment is taking the parts/units very slowly from room temperature down to at least -180 degree .......
12: RE: No way that it makes a profound difference (8.97)
Posted by Palustris on 2013-10-21, 11:52:23 (24.128.56.10)
"audiophiles have NOT led the way in cryogenic treatments. In fact, many in audio have shown reluctance in adopting such techniques - in the face of some 25 years of various people reporting using tha .......
13: Re: 20 Amp Outlets, cryo ivory or white color (8.34)
Posted by Dave Kingsland on 2004-11-04, 09:05:24 (199.46.198.233)
I find the cryo tube stories even harder to believe, there are so many things that can go wrong deep freezing tubes. Like what? Cryogenic treatment has been around for a long time and it has only re .......
14: Re: And how does your asking for such a link involve finding the truth? (8.18)
Posted by geoffkait on 2001-02-09, 21:36:03 (207.172.11.148)
Sorry for delay, i thought this thread had petered out. I am attempting to find other applications (in NASA or eslewhere) that are more related to the discussion which started this thread, which was o .......
15: Fallacy (8.12)
Posted by Brian Walsh on 2015-04-07, 17:23:35 (73.50.49.151)
What in the world does a razor blade or gun barrel have to do with audio equipment? The latter is very complicated by comparison, with various dissimilar materials involved with different coefficients .......
16: Cryogenic processing of polycarbonate... (8.02)
Posted by John Marks on 2022-09-27, 11:41:36 (96.238.9.137)
My cryo guy has a PhD in Physics. That chain of facilities does work for NASA, and also for NASCAR! Cryogenic processing of polycarbonate changes the Modulus of Elasticity and also the Q of the mechan .......
17: Does it have the cryogenic paint option? (nt) (7.78)
Posted by Rod M on 2003-07-25, 16:43:33 (204.94.81.82)
. .......
18: There is no scientific "debate": proper cryogenic treatment improves the performance of critical met (7.54)
Posted by John Marks on 2001-09-07, 16:50:10 (165.247.3.30)
There is no scientific "debate": proper cryogenic treatment improves the performance of critical metals. The two gotchas are proper and critical. Dunking does more harm than good. You have to have a c .......
19: This cryogenic engineer thanks you for providing the clarification so I don't have to! (nt) (7.51)
Posted by craig in SD on 2002-07-09, 22:55:07 (204.210.14.19)
. .......
20: I don't see anywhere in his post where he said it was cryogenic treatment. (nt) (7.46)
Posted by Fiddler on 2002-08-12, 03:22:25 (64.75.157.27)
t .......
21: Cryogenic.... NT (7.46)
Posted by Lowrider on 2003-05-27, 06:39:22 (194.65.14.68)
... Antonio Melo Ribeiro .......
22: RE: Who are you sending your stuff for cryogenic treatment? (7.46)
Posted by Br3098 on 2013-12-21, 12:36:23 (108.13.203.232)
I'm less interested in the who than the why? .......
23: RE: in your experience... (7.46)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2012-05-23, 13:04:28 (72.201.96.18)
Completely safe, with two caveats. Firstly, know that there are different cryogenic processes performed by differing companies, both as to the control method of ramp-down and ramp-up of temperature, a .......
24: Proper cryogenic treatment is permanent. [nt] (7.39)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2015-04-05, 11:01:54 (68.109.181.83)
. .......
25: Cryogenic treatment a simple matter (7.39)
Posted by rnhood on 2003-03-03, 16:25:49 (24.136.229.112)
Just put your equipment outside overnight. .......
26: RE: Funniest thing I have seen on Kijiji... (7.31)
Posted by IEaudiodude on 2011-01-28, 00:15:17 (76.167.189.8)
Is that some new budget cryogenic treatment for speakers ?? .......
27: So is improper cryogenic treatment. Nt (7.31)
Posted by geoffkait on 2015-04-05, 11:04:01 (174.255.32.79)
Nt .......
28: Hey, it doesn't get that cold even here in Chicago... (7.13)
Posted by Brian Walsh on 2001-05-31, 00:08:33 (64.81.150.121)
so some people here cryogenically treat their gear... The Cryogenic Society of America .......
29: Acme Audio wants to help.... (7.11)
Posted by Mike B. on 2001-09-15, 09:14:44 (209.181.55.79)
please accept 5 of the silver plated cryogenic treated duplex ac outlets for your charitable auction. .......
30: I only use analogue candles with 99.99999% oxygen free wax & cryogenic wick. ~t (7.11)
Posted by three_sox on 2006-10-17, 18:22:10 (60.229.175.169)
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31: Care to expound on that irreversibility? (7.11)
Posted by Steve O on 2015-04-05, 09:34:39 (166.137.90.25)
What law of thermodynamics governs the irreverability of changes induced by cryogenic treatment of books? .......
32: What is the advantage of cryogenic treatment? (7.04)
Posted by Artemus on 2002-01-25, 17:02:19 (24.158.121.215)
Will this "advdntage be realized in a non treated recep after break-in of the Acme recep? Thanks .......
33: Re: 'deep freezing' is NOT cryogenic treatment, Janos. [nt] (6.99)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2004-03-05, 08:01:49 (24.221.101.222)
nt .......
34: RE: Wasn't sure whether to post in Tubes or Tweaks, all I know is I found this clip... (6.99)
Posted by Renman on 2013-08-16, 14:16:18 (173.197.216.218)
Freezer won't help.... It would need to be a cryogenic treatment. But maybe you don't have enough bread to get it done? .......
35: RE: Who are you sending your stuff for cryogenic treatment? (6.97)
Posted by Ozzie on 2013-12-19, 18:38:13 (166.147.123.172)
The output transistors of my poweramps were cryoed and the effect was offset when they were soldered in place. .......
36: Cryogenic Preservation (6.97)
Posted by Larry I on 2014-05-15, 07:00:29 (38.100.19.236)
Perhaps I should offer a service to cryogenically treat/preserve discs. I bet it would work at least as well as it has for Walt Disney. .......
37: Re: My recent experience with freezing CDs (6.97)
Posted by May Belt on 2006-08-18, 10:32:43 (80.177.28.171)
You are absolutely correct Quint, your ears ain't lying !! 'Unclestu52' is also correct when he says that "It works on a lot of other things, too, including DVDs". The people constantly making the ch .......
38: Re: Freeze a photo of yourself to improve your stereo? (6.95)
Posted by chris_w on 2005-03-08, 15:43:07 (84.65.219.29)
hello Dan Actually i'm thinking of extending the idea. You I guess have heard of quantum pair? Well I have a device that will treat any pieces of highend gear. All anyone has to do is send me 2 of any .......
39: After cryogenic phase comes.... (6.93)
Posted by bezos on 2012-05-07, 19:59:04 (70.110.222.151)
Sometimes the "Defrost" on the microwave oven just won't do, even though microwave ovens are tube based. .......
40: RE: Who are you sending your stuff for cryogenic treatment? (6.89)
Posted by IEaudiodude on 2013-12-19, 12:35:32 (172.6.10.217)
You can send it to me and I can forward to my ex girlfriends house for treatment , she is about as cold as they come. :^) .......
41: Ask the power co. to buff all contacts with sandpaper . . . (6.89)
Posted by Tyoder on 2003-03-07, 06:56:51 (68.54.63.236)
Use increasingly fine paper until 600 grit last buffing. Cryogenic treatment of the installer is optional. :-) .......
42: RE: Who are you sending your stuff for cryogenic treatment? (6.84)
Posted by geoffkait on 2013-12-21, 17:42:25 (174.236.192.185)
Less vibration, better conductivity, smoother surfaces, less stress, better durability, less brittle, stronger/greater stiffness. .......
43: You're right... (6.84)
Posted by gbeard on 2004-05-04, 09:22:44 (12.222.68.56)
I was joking, but I never said it wouldn't sound better! I know cryogenic treatments work. I was only poking fun at "our" anal audio ways. No reason to take offense. Cheers. gb .......
44: RE: Who are you sending your stuff for cryogenic treatment? (6.78)
Posted by geoffkait on 2013-12-19, 04:25:52 (174.255.32.84)
... .......
45: Re: Cryogenic Tempering of Wire (6.72)
Posted by Jecopo on 2001-02-08, 15:42:40 (192.147.65.83)
FYI, you are not supposed to post the same post to multiple fora. Cheers Jecopo .......
46: Re: Correct. "Romex" or equivalent is better than conduit. (6.70)
Posted by Jwm on 2005-10-05, 18:49:33 (68.40.135.42)
I used stranded copper and if you are interested I can give you the number for the cryogenic company. E mail me .......
47: "For - the - last - time, 'cryogenic' - does - not - mean - 'frigid.'" (6.69)
Posted by Ktem on 2013-03-07, 13:50:06 (72.78.199.124)
I left out a damn hyphen. .......
48: Reminds me of "Vanilla Sky" (6.67)
Posted by Jon L on 2003-04-27, 00:58:41 (64.166.197.99)
which was a terrible movie that totally botched the whole cryogenic concept. Got sick of hearing about "Benny the dog"... .......
49: I put my whole system in the freezer......... (6.64)
Posted by Cut-Throat on 2002-09-08, 07:14:15 (152.163.188.5)
I realy get into the CRYOGENIC stuff. - I thought freezing components was the way to go! Cut-Throat .......
50: Re: Is it just me??? (6.60)
Posted by Bing on 2001-10-16, 16:04:46 (213.123.72.31)
nah, come on. when those pics were takin his FM CDs were in cryogenic treatment in the next room. I really dread to think what kind of insane idiot would store his Mac stuff at above liquid nitrogen t .......
51: Re: question about cryogenic treatment (6.54)
Posted by Merle on 2003-01-07, 13:48:22 (216.111.114.194)
I tried that and the improvement was not worth the effort. However,I found that shaving my entire body and covering myself with vasoline prior to listening to music really cut down on standing waves i .......
52: Acme Audio (6.54)
Posted by Brian Walsh on 2004-01-06, 12:07:40 (64.81.150.121)
offers specialty fuse holders as well, silver plated and optionally cryogenic treated. The latter costs $4, hardly an amount to get excited about, in my biased opinion (disclaimer: I sell them)... : .......
53: Of course ! (6.54)
Posted by Aurel on 2001-02-09, 08:31:18 (193.48.83.150)
NASA and ESA use a lot of cryogenic effects ! This is the way our superconducting magnet is working ! But it has no link with the kind of effects discribed in the firt post of the thread. Best regards .......
54: "What this boils down to ..." (6.52)
Posted by Stephæn on 2004-03-04, 11:26:16 (63.224.218.101)
... from their site: "What this boils down to is that our deep cryogenic systems are completely environmentally friendly and actually help reduce waste." Interesting choice of words! æ .......
55: Re: Cryogenic freezing treatment WORKS! (6.44)
Posted by Tuckers on 2003-06-01, 20:03:43 (67.164.7.197)
I've tried this. It helps. To enhance the effect further try being whipped with Rock Maple branches, and wearing cork panties next time. PS. Mescaline has ALMOST the same effect. . . .......
56: Re: 'deep freezing' is NOT cryogenic treatment, Janos. [nt] (6.43)
Posted by Janos on 2004-03-05, 14:28:44 (128.171.209.8)
Deep freezing has a long historical background with metals. Skandinavians have used it to make their swords sharp and strong. They cast out the blade in the bone-breaking skandinavian winter. Sometime .......
57: Make that a walk in cryogenic capsule... (6.24)
Posted by EL84 on 2003-06-03, 01:34:28 (12.20.43.1)
Then you can enjoy the benefit of cryo treated CD's and superconducting speaker cables. Plus your DNA will be stabilised for millenia ensuring that your 'golden ears' can be passed on to future genera .......
58: Re: Cryogenic freezing treatment WORKS! (6.22)
Posted by JayG on 2003-06-05, 01:18:19 (66.120.57.64)
Chris, I followed Mikel's post to yours and started laughing so hard I had tears in my eyes and was afraid I was going to wake my wife. You have a genuine gift for comedy. I agree with the others who .......
59: RE: No way (6.22)
Posted by May Belt on 2013-10-21, 07:26:26 (80.176.74.206)
I absolutely agree with you, Unclestu, audiophiles have NOT led the way in cryogenic treatments. In fact, many in audio have shown reluctance in adopting such techniques - in the face of some 25 year .......
60: RE: But how would they sound? (6.18)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2017-07-20, 14:54:41 (68.227.247.134)
They would sound more "open". :--} The rest....? I always like to put forth accurate information. There are different processes available with cryogenic treatment, some far better than others, and imp .......
61: Re: How about a Dead Horse forum? (6.18)
Posted by Larry I on 2003-05-09, 06:34:20 (65.205.15.210)
Don't forget complaints about Universal Parcel Shredder, questions about cryogenic treatment, Cheapskate copies of Symposium platforms, etc. Hey, how about folding the entire Asylum into Dead Horse? .......
62: Why stop there? (6.18)
Posted by gbeard on 2004-05-03, 21:25:58 (12.222.78.54)
Why not dump the whole panel, a couple hundred feet of Romex, the nail on cable clamps (and nails of course) in the Cryogenic bath? Boy-howdy, that would sound fantabulous! I doubt the power company w .......
63: Going to try some polished rocks (6.12)
Posted by Steyr on 2011-07-26, 11:23:22 (50.50.173.145)
Place isolation platform under bowl. Also move him so he is centered this may improve his relaxing belly up floating. Have considered cryogenic treatments for him. Favorite tunes seems to be 1812 over .......
64: Yes and Maybe (6.10)
Posted by John Marks on 2001-02-08, 18:34:21 (205.181.169.7)
I have a modest amount of experience with this, including cryo processing of my own label's CDs. Cryogenic processing is well-recognized in tool-steel metallurgy. Common applications include not only .......
65: RE: power upgrade (6.09)
Posted by Sprezza Tura on 2012-10-30, 20:09:06 (67.213.218.72)
They did the same for me..except I got .999999 cryogenic treated pure solid core silver blessed by virgins and wrapped in NASA grade tubing and sealed in a pure air vacuum. Awesome man, I can now hea .......
66: That's not water (6.04)
Posted by Ktem on 2013-10-28, 12:44:32 (98.115.40.102)
We made up a separate name for it. Shall we review the known states of matter? It might not be a bad idea, because they have discovered at least two new states of matter over the past decade, I think. .......
67: Replace GFCI with GFCI? (6.01)
Posted by ggking7 on 2010-09-22, 14:08:01 (205.172.16.102)
"It is easy to explain in person but dangerously difficult by posting on a forum." Can you tell me what to put where based on the photo? Another option would be to buy a couple of new GFCI outlets .......
68: Re: ACME silver cryo outlets. (5.97)
Posted by Mike B. on 2001-12-26, 10:17:23 (209.181.55.233)
Thanks for the good words. Please be ready for some not so good changes as the outlets settle in. They truely take a minimum of 30 days of constant use to break in. JENA Labs is now doing my cryogenic .......
69: I'm very, VERY sceptical, but cyro could be different (5.93)
Posted by Feanor on 2004-12-20, 07:55:11 (216.129.31.125)
Cryogenic treatment subjects the component for FAR colder temperatures than you deep-freeze. This might compress and align metal items into a tighter crystal structure, and that might make a differenc .......
70: Re: There is no scientific "debate": proper cryogenic treatment improves the performance of critical (5.92)
Posted by Rcreations on 2001-09-07, 18:53:23 (24.159.233.9)
hi john, toyin with the idea of sending jena labs some ic's and a jena gemini digital for treatment. i have two pair of the lapis X3, and can apply some 'ear exercises' treating one of the pairs. than .......
71: Cryogenic treatment of metals is definitely not "insane." (5.81)
Posted by Bersani on 2006-03-15, 14:42:37 (71.224.87.26)
Here's a link to one company with a lot of information to back it up. .......
72: RE: Cryo treatment (5.77)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2020-12-14, 12:47:34 (70.162.185.151)
I have used deep cryogenic treatment on AC parts, cabling, and in-wall wiring since 1997, and for populated circuit boards for the Cable Cooker since 2009. All the internal wiring, switches, and chass .......
73: Re: Cheap tweak: egg noodles! (5.76)
Posted by tomJ on 2005-02-08, 09:40:54 (68.167.230.5)
I would be able to give more credence to your recommendation if you had done your analysis in a DBT environment with highly controlled parameters. Even though your tweak has obvious merit (can’t belie .......
74: Process (5.72)
Posted by dedicatedaudio on 2003-04-25, 22:54:16 (205.188.208.9)
Proven processing profiles, with minimums of 8 hours descend to temperatures below -315°F, "soak" or hold below -315°F for 24 hours, and ascend to ambient of at least 10 hours. Some profiles can take .......
75: seriously? (5.70)
Posted by BS64 on 2012-10-16, 12:53:53 (173.173.65.163)
15 years, 12 hours per day, building audio tweaks? And quit school to do it? Asking $200,000 for a power cord? IF someone were to buy it, do you really think he would "break even"? This is the same gu .......
76: Cryo treatment inquiry (5.70)
Posted by SHIF on 2003-04-25, 22:18:24 (12.232.34.46)
What's the true benefit of cryogenic treatment to cables, AC outlets, tubes etc? Can I cryo treat these items myself with a bucket of liquid nitrogen? Is there some magic ramp and soak, temperature pr .......
77: Just for clarification, what are you guys referring to when you say BS cables? (5.60)
Posted by geoffkait on 2021-11-03, 03:54:26 (98.169.214.23)
What is the snake oil you're referring to? What qualifies a cable to be snake oil? The price, the technology, very high purity, the geometry, cryogenic treatment, directionality, the sales pitch for s .......
78: Know Manufacturing Model 0.0 Preamplifier (Tube) (5.60)
Posted by Bill Leebens on 2004-12-06, 04:55:54 (4.29.112.127)
Big B., thanks for your usual thorough review. Have you had the occasion to try the latest Mk. III Signature Ultra-Fi mylar glidepath CryoNoCap version? I hear that the the replacement of the standard .......
79: RE: Having taken apart a number of breakers. . . (5.56)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2019-01-28, 09:18:50 (24.251.119.17)
Over quite a few years, I've found that Siemens is the better quality brand, having survived more cryogenic treatments than Square D and others. Most are made in Latin America / Dominican Republic wit .......
80: Therefore this raises the question (5.55)
Posted by Double Trouble on 2002-08-12, 20:00:22 (203.109.254.56)
as to whether you expect anyone to believe that sticking a component in a normal freezer is going to improve the sound. I honestly thought you were kidding us! I wasn't really intending to be arrogant .......
81: Re: Advertising. (5.53)
Posted by Sam the Man on 2003-03-20, 07:21:45 (207.230.203.234)
Good points. Few are even aware of the availability of high-end audio. Of course just about everyone is aware of Rolex. Then, to make it worse, if someone ventures into high-end audio, we confuse the .......
82: RE: Another take on powering equipment 24/7 (5.49)
Posted by jeromelang on 2011-01-13, 17:59:43 (220.255.1.172)
what u complaining about? you're getting free cryogenic treatment from nature - between each power cycles. and turning off the heating completely at night and turning it up high in daytime in your lis .......
83: "Cool" interviews on cryogenic treatment.... (5.47)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2005-09-22, 17:03:30 (24.221.101.222)
....at PFO, for those interested in more detailed information on the processes. .......
84: Flooby Dust (5.44)
Posted by bdiament on 2001-10-05, 04:55:46 (199.93.0.66)
I tried the foils on one of two identical CDs (of a recording I engineered from microphones to finished CD) I know intimately. Repeated comparisons yielded the term "Flooby Dust" because there must b .......
85: Flooby Dust (5.41)
Posted by bdiament on 2001-10-05, 04:57:23 (199.93.0.66)
I tried the foils on one of two identical CDs I know intimately (of a recording I engineered from microphones to finished CD). Repeated comparisons yielded the term "Flooby Dust" because there must b .......
86: ZYX Airy3S with silver base MC cartridge. (5.41)
Posted by Potzrebie on 2014-04-23, 23:49:42 (24.131.182.231)
Properly setup, in a great arm, it is very hard to beat. Airy, 3D imaging, slightly warm, and very natural "you are their" sound! Frequency response 10Hz to 100KHz. Cryogenic treatment at -320 degrees .......
87: Just talked with Charles Beresford a minute ago.... (5.37)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2013-12-19, 13:32:24 (68.109.180.225)
....and it's business as usual. In on Friday's, out on Monday's. I process parts, wiring and circuit boards on a weekly basis. So whoever told you that there is a two-month wait (for processing) is st .......
88: You are way too much arrogant ! (5.36)
Posted by Aurel on 2001-02-09, 08:18:14 (193.48.83.150)
Dear John Curl, I am sorry but you are not the only one here with a scientific knowledge. I am working on a space experiment, approved by NASA and ESA, wich is going to be implemented on the Internati .......
89: RE: I just spent a lot of money on cables! (5.34)
Posted by geoffkait on 2021-11-03, 15:11:46 (98.169.214.23)
What qualifies a cable to be non BS? No arrows on the cables No rhodium connectors No single crystal copper nonsense Nothing above 4 nines copper No silver No silver content No highly polished conduct .......
90: Re: Type 313 is considered to be a "slow blow" fuse. (5.28)
Posted by AbeCollins on 2005-10-23, 21:14:28 (67.176.116.152)
I'm no expert on fuses but my personal feeling about getting it cryogenically treated is DONT DO IT. First, you have no idea what the extreme cold temperatures might do to the internal construction o .......
91: Re: Perhaps (5.23)
Posted by Soundmind on 2005-10-07, 11:45:01 (24.149.197.165)
"I was just hypothesizng as to why they may have done it. It is obviously more for "show and tell" than for practical reasons as there are always ways of getting at the same data without having to do .......
92: Ah! The famous ICS at work (5.23)
Posted by Bambi B on 2003-11-20, 08:58:51 (216.244.18.37)
sm, The very effective Institute of the Cold Shoulder. Given your comments, you must have spent time at the Bienecke Library - and perhaps also with the denizens of Radcliffe? To me, the Bienecke is a .......
93: It all depends (5.19)
Posted by geoffkait on 2020-09-13, 04:12:19 (98.169.214.23)
Everything is relative. Some cables reduce noise and distortion more than others. And the same cable can be made to further reduce noise and distortion, by raising it off the floor thus reducing effec .......
94: Designers are often the last to get the memo. (5.19)
Posted by geoffkait on 2021-11-27, 14:13:20 (98.169.214.23)
You name the audiophile advancement, the designers never heard of it. RFI/EMI Aftermarket power cords Wire directionality Aftermarket fuses Fuse directionality Break-in Damping vibration for CD transp .......
95: Re: Nude Effect (5.15)
Posted by Jwm on 2005-03-28, 06:04:06 (68.41.47.241)
I had a friend who was ahead of his time. Ten years ago Ko Chen Chou had his Audio Research Classic 150 all apart. The top cover, sides, and bottom were all removed. The circuit was just hanging in ai .......
96: Agreed, great album (5.15)
Posted by Quint on 2006-12-03, 10:02:36 (152.163.101.6)
The first two things I noticed about the album was (1) how good Daltrey still sounds despite the noticeable aging in his voice; and (2) the undiminished quality of Pete's songwriting. Despite some pre .......
97: Conductivity is overrated (5.12)
Posted by geoffkait on 2023-07-28, 03:14:09 (172.58.191.77)
Conductivity is not the only game in town. And there are ways to improve conductivity of cables with existing resources. For example, by employing higher gauge conductors, by employing purer metals, b .......
98: I frequently throw my CD's in along with my laundry.... (5.07)
Posted by Pinkus on 1999-11-10, 14:25:40 (163.125.46.129)
Then I put it in the dryer for about 1 hour. From there the CD's are put in a ziplock bag and deposited in the refrigerator for the cryogenic effect. The result is amazing --- no more digital edginess .......
99: RE: What about crude differences non- (anti-)audiophiles don't hear, .... (5.05)
Posted by geoffkait on 2014-03-09, 16:10:00 (174.236.228.99)
Hi, you might have missed my post on this thread with respect to Schumann frequency generators, rainbow foil, Audio Magic Pulse Gen ZX, WA Quantum Chips, Stillpoints ERS cloth, Shun Mook Mpingo Discs, .......
100: "Silicon, solder, and copper do not change their characteristics..." (4.91)
Posted by clarkjohnsen on 2001-05-05, 10:49:41 (140.241.225.100)
Nor presumably (inter alia) do stainless steel, wood etc. -- with exercise by electrical currents, or magnetic fields, or cryogenic chambers, or mechanical vibration. (Just taking these unproven assum .......
101: Re: Grounding (4.91)
Posted by TomJ on 2005-01-21, 13:46:44 (68.167.230.5)
I am still chucking over the cryogenic ear thing. Even though you may have a dedicated circuit for your audio, everything probably shares the same ground. You can talk to an electrician about running .......
102: RE: I just spent a lot of money on cables! (4.84)
Posted by Todd Krieger on 2021-11-04, 23:21:27 (23.81.207.97)
"No arrows on the cables No rhodium connectors No single crystal copper nonsense Nothing above 4 nines copper No silver No silver content No highly polished conductor surfaces No cryogenic treatment N .......
103: Re: Serious question for Clark Johnson and John Curl (4.79)
Posted by Todd Krieger on 2005-05-17, 17:35:47 (68.3.108.210)
Tweaks that work... - Power cords (the very few designed right) - Cryogenic treatments - Fuse directionality Tweaks that don't work (at least for me)... - Power cords (the vast majority of "audiophile .......
104: Re: Cryo freezing in L.A.? (4.74)
Posted by Gregory Bartlett on 2001-10-26, 22:29:18 (212.126.132.131)
I would also suggest sending it to a company such as Jena Labs. They have the experience treating these types of components. My company Frozen Solid has treated tubes, and from the feedback from my cu .......
105: FREE Cryogenics (4.74)
Posted by lancelot on 2004-01-26, 09:55:55 (66.129.135.82)
Being as the temperature outside this morning was approx.MINUS 30, ( southern Quebec ) I was wondering if this weather could be put to any useful purpose. Then it struck me- free cryogenic treatment .......
106: The problem is... (4.69)
Posted by BillC on 1999-10-29, 13:28:36 (208.205.158.84)
...that most people don't know how to use a Shakti stone properly. First, you have to paint the edges green. Then, a 1/8" wide by 11/32" long strip of Peter Belt Rainbow Foil must be placed directly o .......
107: RE: How about a $1,200 CD??? (4.65)
Posted by geoffkait on 2022-09-27, 11:13:18 (98.169.214.23)
Optical glass. Check. Gold layer. Check. Cryogenically treated CD, twice. Check. Sweet! Polycarbonate layer is only 91% transparent. Transparency index 0.93. The clear layer used in SHM CDs from Japan .......
108: Re: Cryogenics (4.61)
Posted by webgeek on 2002-11-25, 13:16:34 (64.173.78.130)
I have an arrangement with two companies, one on the east coast, one on the west. We are all working together to provide cryogenic treatement to the audio/electronic industry. You can read on our web .......
109: How about the JPS wire ? UL approved, legal to install (4.58)
Posted by tonemaniac on 2003-09-15, 10:16:42 (216.223.210.74)
Second the motion on a dedicated 20 amp line. That really is how it sounds. Got outstanding results from pulling Audioquest power wire, elegant geometry and all, but it wasn't code. Probably well exce .......
110: RE: Who are you sending your stuff for cryogenic treatment? (4.51)
Posted by David Pritchard on 2013-12-19, 13:04:37 (97.119.135.139)
I spoke to the president of Cryogenics International (Charles Beredford) today December 19, 2013. There is no delay in getting objects Cryo Treated. His company starts the treatment on Friday and it i .......
111: RE: Actually, yes..... (4.50)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2011-10-19, 13:29:25 (72.201.96.162)
Your application(s) are completely different, and I caution you in applying what you've experienced to current cryogenic processing. Cryogenics International utilizes its own fully-computer-controlled .......
112: D.A.R.T. (4.50)
Posted by Steyr on 2011-05-27, 11:29:30 (50.50.173.145)
D.A.R.T. or [Definitive Anal Retentive Technologies] our 1st product was the audiophile decoupling system. We use a cryogenic treated chromed ball hitch custom manufactured to D.A.R.T. specs. We place .......
113: Re: Cryogenic Tempering of Wire (4.50)
Posted by orejones on 2001-02-10, 07:17:08 (62.42.63.20)
Hi all, I have read most of the postings re why deep freezing can affect cable´s properties, and found a lot of extremely well built arguments about how that could change metallic structure of conduct .......
114: "What aspects of cables affect sound characteristics?" Tre asked (4.45)
Posted by geoffkait on 2021-12-12, 16:57:34 (98.169.214.23)
That's not really a difficult question, although I have a sneaking suspicion you probably think it is. Factors that affect the sound include but are not limited to, 1. Purity of conductor 2. Type of m .......
115: If you could point me to some explanation by the manufacturer... (4.24)
Posted by B. King on 2005-03-26, 09:55:20 (67.115.8.55)
...of how this miraculous device works, I would gladly read it. I can't find anything on the website. As for the hocus pocus aspect, that's pretty self-evident by what I've seen so far. Then again, to .......
116: be careful... (4.22)
Posted by Nano on 2003-05-10, 06:47:28 (207.93.157.145)
its not any RS cable its the RED ones not the black ones...see the reflection/absorption spectra of cables can have a high impact, based on quantum tunneling theory, where high frequency EM field -eve .......
117: RE: cryo (4.01)
Posted by May Belt on 2012-05-20, 06:00:51 (80.177.28.171)
Whilst you are deciding and whilst you are trying to find a company to do the full cryogenic freezing treatment for you, why don’t you try some simple ‘treatments’ of your own using your own deep free .......
118: I am in the same boat.... (3.98)
Posted by FrankC on 2002-05-23, 10:15:48 (63.150.97.2)
After studying all the posts on this site for three straight days, and several printed articles. This is what I concluded: 1/ Aluminum shield is better than steel shield. 2/ Use #10 (10 Gauge) MCIG (m .......
119: RE: No way that it makes a profound difference (3.97)
Posted by geoffkait on 2013-10-21, 13:14:40 (174.236.233.160)
There are at least fifteen high end cable manufacturers that routinely employ cryogenics in the manufacturing process. Not to mention electronics manufacturers that routinely employ cryogenics. Thus, .......
120: Re: Yes and Maybe (3.94)
Posted by Charles E on 2001-02-08, 21:37:36 (165.247.138.93)
Crogenic tempering has been used in rifle barrels in the attempt to increase machinability, accuracy, and barrel life (competitive life can be less than 2,000 rounds). While there have been many testi .......
121: How about a $1,200 CD??? (3.88)
Posted by John Marks on 2022-09-27, 09:02:17 (96.238.9.137)
I eagerly await delivery of my copy of a reissue of my JMR/John Marks Records Bob Ludwig remastering of David Hancock's Arturo Delmoni recording "Songs My Mother Taught Me." After all, it has been .......
122: Re: Cryo skin effect? (3.76)
Posted by jneutron on 2004-11-09, 14:19:01 (130.199.3.22)
Rob: ""Does this relate to cryo treatment, crystal lattices and such?"" Kinda It's because the resistance of copper goes down with temperature. Has to do with electron scattering, the electron inter .......
123: Oil & Vinegar ... (3.76)
Posted by 13th Duke of Wymbourne on 2002-10-20, 22:56:20 (68.15.76.173)
Engineers and Audiophiles do not mix, though they do combine to provide the ocasional dressing to the Asylum smorgasbord. I do not think they are capable of acting like each other - the Asylum is firm .......
124: Racks w/ at least 10" clearance (3.70)
Posted by david0127@sbcglobal.net on 2005-02-13, 02:01:24 (69.224.69.175)
I have a big amp, and am not comfortable with an amp stand (visions of dropping something and taking out 9 or 10 expensive, matched output tubes). I need at least 10" of clearance, on at least one she .......
125: Re: Cryogenic Tempering of Wire (3.65)
Posted by micah on 2001-02-09, 10:07:16 (63.65.244.197)
I will second what several other people said. I think this is a case of "people have heard of cryo treating so maybe they will believe that it works for copper wire". The copper in copper wire is pret .......
126: Re: Llano Designs Trinity SX-3 Upgrade Amplifier (SS) (3.65)
Posted by Bruce from DC on 1999-12-07, 15:48:26 (207.91.86.2)
Pretty interesting stuff, this upgrade. I checked Llano Design's website (now very much under construction)to try and find out something about it. Completely gone is the range of both tube and solid s .......
127: A "technologically advanced, high current power cord"... (3.55)
Posted by Sean on 2003-06-18, 18:58:58 (12.247.133.74)
costs little more than the "generic" cords that most amps come with. Promoting any other idealogy only helps to further the ridiculous prices that most manufacturers charge for their "snake oil" based .......
128: I was wrong about two things... (3.53)
Posted by TeddiJackEddie on 2009-03-20, 08:32:31 (98.219.208.23)
When I'm wrong, I like to admit it. A fellow AA member (see below) said to me, 'why not a used amp?' I thought, you know, he's right because the Chinese 4-tube amps are just Dyna-clones and there are .......
129: ACME silver cryo outlets. (3.48)
Posted by Jon L on 2001-12-26, 09:52:48 (162.119.232.100)
Got a couple of the 20A silver cryogenic ACME outlets in use for several days. First of all, I must express my disdain for the poor state of affairs I found behind the wall and the old, nasty, oxidize .......
130: Re: Stealth PGS Pure Gold Cable Cable (3.44)
Posted by Busybusy on 2000-11-09, 18:25:37 (216.35.114.168)
Just to clarify: (1) Indeed I 'cut and paste'd the description. So "I" have nothing to do with "them" (2) Stealth has a few dealers doing auctions all over Ebay and Audiogon, but I'm not a dealer and .......
131: No, it actually makes for a smoother sound, but with a lower noise floor (3.33)
Posted by John Marks on 2020-12-15, 07:39:30 (100.40.114.211)
Way back in the early 1990s, Kurien Jacob (Museatex) and Ed Meitner experimented with the cryogenic processing of CDs. Now, if everyone can calm down for a second, there can be no argument that polyca .......
132: Cryogenic freezing treatment WORKS! (3.16)
Posted by chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com on 2003-06-01, 15:58:59 (80.225.2.92)
It all seemed like so much snake-oil and mirrors so I decided to conduct an experiment of my own in the hope of coming to a definitive conclusion regarding it's effectiveness. First I emptied the .......
133: Re: Break in cables (interconnect or speaker) (3.14)
Posted by Jon Risch on 1999-05-04, 22:50:06 (209.215.72.208)
Cable break-in is one of those things that don't seem to make sense. First, if you allow that there are differences in cables to begin with, rather than taking the rather pointless stance that they al .......
134: Chip Thread Below Turning Ugly... (LONG) (3.01)
Posted by TeddiJackEddie on 2005-02-23, 15:25:00 (67.171.104.64)
Well, it's been going on for days, and everyone knew it would turn ugly sooner or later. First we have a reviewer saying that you should just read reviews and then blindly go to a store and purchase w .......
135: An intelligent repartee would be nice..with tech stuff, not blather.. (2.98)
Posted by jneutron on 2005-02-07, 08:05:59 (130.199.3.22)
Oh? "At some point, the FTC will implement in some way, shape, or form, laws which can be used to prosecute those who prey on the technophobics." CJ: "" I read that as a wish."" No. actually, it's mo .......
136: I did something quite out of the ordinary (2.82)
Posted by Doc B. on 2005-02-07, 12:08:15 (24.22.245.49)
I read the instructions on their website! ;^)> "Instructions: Remove the orange Intelligent Chip from its clear plastic protective case and place it on top of the CD/DVD/SACD player directly above the .......
137: The JR Syndrome (2.65)
Posted by May Belt on 2005-11-01, 10:06:18 (80.177.28.171)
There is one thing I can agree with John Atkinson about and that is that James Randi seems to like peppering his articles with untruths. One of the latest being "I have news. Mr Belt is getting rich. .......
138: Hello, SID works on digital players of all prices (2.52)
Posted by jeromelang on 2003-06-18, 18:15:34 (165.21.154.8)
Having used it for the last 4 months, I found the SID to be effective on a wide range of digital players, ranging from the Musical Fidelity and Accuphase SACD players, whole range of Sony SACD players .......
139: RE: Thoughts Off the Cuff............ (2.19)
Posted by May Belt on 2014-03-14, 15:38:39 (80.176.74.206)
Todd, I couldn't agree with you more !! And also with your earlier 2001 posting where you say:- >>> "I am now convinced that the proliferation of digital devices (audio, computers, processor-controll .......
140: Audio Charity Auctions closing today..... (2.04)
Posted by Rod M on 2001-09-24, 08:17:23 (204.94.81.82)
Check out all this cool stuff! Bid totals for the event are now over $103K. Thank you all! Charity Auctions: Ending Today Bid Ends Plinius 8200 Integrated .......
141: A couple of points (1.97)
Posted by Auricle on 2004-07-28, 06:17:12 (151.205.98.164)
first allow me to agree with a few things before I disagree with the thrust. Cable sales of all types, particularly power cables, are rife with unproven claims based on "snake oil". As Salvatore state .......
142: Kern mod to Sony SCD-1, superclock etc., with turbocharging (1.85)
Posted by tonemaniac on 2003-11-01, 05:42:29 (67.101.28.14)
Posted this in the tweaks/diy section. It's probably worth knowing if modding is your think, or likely to become your thing. To add some follow up observations.... The gap between SACD and CD sound ha .......
143: Re: Hydra - Huge Price Increase? (1.83)
Posted by Grant on 2006-07-11, 12:23:28 (69.131.33.43)
Wow, where to begin? A week away with family was well spent, considering I'm coming back to this link sent to me. I've already responded re: the 10 Audio review here and don't feel the need to belabo .......
Found 12 records in Amp/Preamp Asylum.
1: RE: My new favorite 12AX7 & 6922 for Aesthetix linestage (8.85)
Posted by kurt s on 2011-10-11, 03:05:52 (223.206.41.204)
I recommend you Google "cryogenic treatment" and read some articles on it. It's not just about tubes, it's mainly about carbon steel which tube structures have. Some people feel it does things to othe .......
2: RE: My new favorite 12AX7 & 6922 for Aesthetix linestage (8.85)
Posted by Daverz on 2011-10-10, 15:38:47 (66.75.252.221)
Wouldn't the cryogenic treatment just make the materials in the tube more brittle? I've always been wary of this. Seems very faddish. .......
3: Re: Cryogenic Treatment? (7.80)
Posted by Jeff Delman on 2003-05-12, 14:04:30 (63.206.116.195)
Colder, brighter sound can sometimes be an early effect of cyro. You need to burn-in cryoed equipement quite well before judging the natural sound of the piece that was treated. Jeff .......
4: Re: Cryogenic Treatment? (7.37)
Posted by Loki on 2003-05-10, 03:38:41 (63.203.98.20)
Cryo treatments result in a colder, brighter sound. I prefer a warmer sound so use plasma treatments. It's a bitch fitting the stuff in the tokomak and the residual radiation is a pita but I'll do any .......
5: Audible Illusions (6.92)
Posted by stator_99@yahoo.com on 2014-08-27, 21:46:47 (166.137.101.144)
I recently purchased an Audible Illusions Modulus 3A preamp and like it a lot, just curious what type of passive mods fellow owners use , type of power cord, fuses, tube dampers, cryogenic treated tub .......
6: Acme Audio fuses (6.87)
Posted by Metralla on 2007-10-06, 22:23:07 (24.219.30.168)
I haven't tried the HiFi Tuning ones, but I was very happy with the little lift the silver ceramic cryogenic treated Acme fuses gave my system. Much cheaper than the HiFi Tuning jobbies. I was pretty .......
7: RE: quick question regarding fuse size (6.42)
Posted by Metralla on 2008-04-20, 11:27:22 (24.219.30.211)
If you are going to buy a new fuse, you may wish to consider Acme Audio's cryogenic treated silver ceramic fuses for $12. They made a small improvement in my BAT preamp. Mike is a nice fellow to deal .......
8: Cryogenic Treatment? (6.31)
Posted by greg7 on 2003-05-09, 05:35:12 (24.196.191.154)
I'm considering having my cables cryo'd and got to talking with the company that'd do it for me. Apparently all sorts of audio components can be cryo treated -- I read where Ed Meitner has experimente .......
9: RE: Ping Charles Hansen - Integrated amp question (5.93)
Posted by Charles Hansen on 2012-07-09, 23:56:45 (63.225.126.120)
You are absolutely right on that last count! In the first place I don't have access to a vapor-phase degreaser. Also polystyrene is probably the easiest plastic to dissolve of anything commonly availa .......
10: RE: My new favorite 12AX7 & 6922 for Aesthetix linestage (5.67)
Posted by Jim McShane on 2011-10-11, 04:44:35 (24.15.32.233)
Hi Abe, In the Calypso the 6922 has less of an effect on tone than the 12AX7 since the 6922 is a buffer and does no voltage amplification. The dominant tube is the 12AX7, and the tonal difference betw .......
11: Re: What's your bedroom sound system? (5.15)
Posted by dr.joe on 2005-04-21, 14:14:10 (198.96.2.93)
As it happens, my bedroom system is my main system: Technics SP-10MKII with Stax UA-9 tonearm and Ortofon Super OM40 cartridge on Jean Nantais custom plinth; Technics ST-9030 FM tuner; Sony SCD-777ES .......
12: Re: CAT SL-1 tube trouble anyone??? (4.96)
Posted by Karma16 on 2007-02-18, 18:39:56 (65.19.26.165)
HI Jwm, Thank you. Your cartridge is not really a low output MC. For example, I have a Monster Sigma Genesis 2000 on my second turntable which is rated at .2 mv. This, or less, is generally considered .......
Found 200 records in Cable Asylum.
1: Re: Cryogenic Treatment (9.33)
Posted by Gregory Bartlett on 2001-11-12, 21:43:22 (195.8.79.188)
Jeff I deep cryogenic cables and interconnects. If you follow the link below to one of my customers sites, he gives in his own opinion why deep cryogenic treatment improves cables. Mr Townshend is als .......
2: cryogenic (9.33)
Posted by stator_99@yahoo.com on 2004-03-02, 17:00:55 (159.124.6.149)
has anyone ever had a power cord cryogenic treated? If so, was there an improvement in the sound? Has anyone ever tried to do there own cryo treatment with liquid nitrogen? thanks,Michael .......
3: Re: Cryogenics, where is the supporting evidence? (8.86)
Posted by OceanRoar on 2002-06-03, 13:13:33 (207.0.47.199)
Can anyone describe what goes on during the cryogenic treatment process? Is the item (e.g., an pair of interconnects) immersed in liquid nitrogen (or some other very cold liquid)? I would assume it is .......
4: Cryogenic treatment (8.56)
Posted by thom70 on 2018-05-09, 12:48:33 (2.231.18.235)
I read some old posts on the forum about the cryogenic treatment of cables. In the meantime someone had others experiences to share? I was thinking to send an interconnect to Take Five Audio for the t .......
5: RE: Cryogenic treatment (8.37)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2018-05-11, 10:30:43 (24.251.118.228)
Not just the conductors (whether OFC, OCC, PCOCC, et al), but the dielectric materials as well. Also keep in mind the mass of the connectors (RCA's, XLR's, spade or banana terminations, AC connectors) .......
6: I'm suggesting.... (7.94)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2013-02-09, 14:32:26 (68.109.182.110)
....that there are qualitative differences in treatment that can affect the overall sound quality, and improve performance. Cryogenic treatment does not "ruin" the outlets. You and Jim simply have a p .......
7: cryogenic tempering? (7.56)
Posted by Beatnick on 2001-02-08, 00:00:30 (152.163.204.22)
I was curious if anyone has any information on what cryogenic tempering does to electrical wire? Does freezing copper wire at -300F for two weeks make any improvement in its performance as a conductor .......
8: Cryogenic Silver Available! (7.49)
Posted by SavagePencil on 2001-10-08, 00:31:11 (62.254.64.5)
Hi, Since the article in Hi-Fi News in July regarding the rather amazing benefits of Cryogenic processing of Audio Conductors, there has been available Deep Cryogenically Processed Silver Wire from an .......
9: I will soon have Siltech G5 Compass Lake & Valhalla cryogenic (7.40)
Posted by Norm on 2001-11-25, 10:57:46 (208.21.197.81)
Probably the week after next I will have Siltech 1 m., Jena Valkerie 3 ft., and Valhalla 1 m. cryogenic using both Jena 15 speaker wire and Valhalla speaker wire. I know it would be better to have all .......
10: RE: Cryogenic treatment (7.27)
Posted by Duster on 2018-05-11, 16:10:44 (24.19.147.14)
The benefit of cryo treatment is to better optimize the crystal boundaries of OFC copper, whereas single crystal OCC copper does not involve the issue to begin with, which is why listeners tend to pre .......
11: Re: W&M cables are using FAKE OYAIDE PLUGS!!! (7.08)
Posted by sherod on 2006-08-07, 18:14:12 (207.200.116.196)
These are probably the $160.00 connectors that W&M are selling: .......
12: freezing premade cables results in cracked solder? (7.00)
Posted by Adriel on 2002-04-02, 18:10:20 (209.102.125.120)
Isn't it true that if a premade interconnect cable was placed in a common household freezer, eventually a fine crack would form between the solder and the wire? Nevermind a much colder cryogenic freez .......
13: Re: cryoed connectors... (6.74)
Posted by F. Diekman on 2002-05-19, 15:30:05 (66.19.51.107)
Please don't think of cryogenic processing as a tempering process. First of all, it has been decided by the American Society for Materials that the process is not a tempering process. It really goes f .......
14: Re: My search on "Deep Cryogenic Treatment" (6.67)
Posted by poweristheanswer on 2004-11-02, 03:32:56 (202.6.138.34)
They did what? Cryogenic treatment ???? Bwah...haaargh ha ha ha ha Cryod cable ha ha ha ha ...please stop ha ha Cryod DVD and CD player's haaaaarrrrrgh ha ha What's that CD's as well? oh no, ha ha ha .......
15: Re: Theory? (6.64)
Posted by EL84 on 2001-11-03, 17:55:47 (62.60.24.34)
I don't think there is any doubt that cryogenic treatment of materials, such as the metals from which engine blocks are made, does change physical properties. However properties such as hardness, and .......
16: Gonna ask this cryogenic question regarding soldering..... (6.58)
Posted by Carl G on 2014-07-26, 14:50:56 (68.5.214.42)
Gonna ask it even though I a pretty sure I know the direction this will go... I am sending bulk cables and separate connectors for cryogenic treatment. My intention is to cryo first and assemble and s .......
17: metallurgy (6.24)
Posted by Mart on 2000-12-25, 05:57:09 (155.218.183.240)
I've seen X_Ray diffraction measured metals change phase over time at temperature (diffraction pattern changes with changing lattice). Phase is the lattice structure inside the grains. It can change f .......
18: Re: Here's another.... (6.11)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2002-11-19, 16:20:11 (24.221.101.222)
Not at all upset, Blake. I regularly give people Cryo International's link, to save my vocal cords. :--) As far as the term "deep-cryo", Charles at Cryo Int'l. told me that he's been using it since th .......
19: Re: Cryogenic Silver Available! (6.07)
Posted by Bill Dulmage on 2001-10-08, 13:58:15 (212.126.134.26)
Anyone thinking of having their cables or interconnects deep cryogenically treated, I highly recommend Frozen Solid, Deep Cryogenic Service. They are the company that was featured in the July 2001 iss .......
20: RE: Cryogenic treatment - Tubes etc too? (6.05)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2018-05-11, 23:16:04 (24.251.118.228)
So it almost sounds like you can Cryo a whole component [amp, pre, dac etc.] just be cautious of glue and cheap molded plastic. Actually, I am aware of a number of people cryo treating whole compone .......
21: RE: Cryogenic treatment (6.02)
Posted by fayerich on 2018-05-10, 07:34:05 (119.236.7.96)
Do it, it only gets better. .......
22: Re: Have you thought of Cryo and power (5.97)
Posted by Gregory Bartlett on 2001-08-25, 23:39:34 (195.8.88.10)
This is partly true, but in my previous thread I should have clarified myself better. It is not the cryogenic phase that damages the component; it is the tempering phase (i.e. heat) that could damage .......
23: Re: Definitely (5.94)
Posted by yrochet@total.net on 2002-05-17, 08:43:49 (207.134.123.247)
I did the same (cryogenic version),let's wait & see! .......
24: RE: Cryogenic treatment....AGREED! (5.91)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2018-05-10, 10:44:13 (24.251.118.228)
. .......
25: Re: Deep Cryogenic Treatment WORKS! (5.85)
Posted by Mudcat on 2004-11-01, 04:55:33 (152.121.36.65)
How much did this cost you? .......
26: RE: Cryogenic treatment (5.79)
Posted by thom70 on 2018-05-11, 07:03:16 (2.231.18.235)
Only OFC conductors or also OCC? .......
27: Re: stan warren's version (5.79)
Posted by Analogon on 2000-06-21, 15:24:48 (24.4.254.75)
Freezing cables at home may have a small effect, but the temperature change is nothing like what happens with cryogenic freezing. Freezing in the fridge is 32 degrees F. Absolute zero is -459.67 degre .......
28: Re: Cryogenic Treatment (5.75)
Posted by Ray Kimber on 2001-11-12, 09:21:46 (207.173.31.102)
Hi Inmates, I'm back from most of the traveling. Thought I might make just a couple of comments. I have been experimenting with Cryogenic treatment of wire, connectors, CDs and hardware, for several y .......
29: Cryogenic Treatment (5.75)
Posted by highendman on 2001-12-10, 10:34:07 (24.49.91.248)
Is it worth the effort and expense to get your cables cryogenically treated? .......
30: Which companies offer cryogenic treatment? (5.74)
Posted by enzo on 2002-11-18, 08:24:29 (64.114.216.253)
For a reasonable cost! .......
31: Yes, there are qualitative differences.... (5.74)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2013-02-05, 13:57:52 (68.109.182.110)
....with differing cryogenic treatments and methodologies. .......
32: Re: Have you thought of Cryo and power (5.68)
Posted by Gregory Bartlett on 2001-08-24, 21:41:45 (195.8.79.78)
It is my understanding that LN2 is used only to cool the cryogenic dielectric cable. .......
33: Re: Cryogenics, where is the supporting evidence? (5.62)
Posted by Mike B. on 2002-06-03, 09:56:52 (205.187.203.20)
Have you tried a google search? There is a society for cryogenic treatment that can provide support. .......
34: Clarification (5.62)
Posted by John Marks on 2011-04-26, 09:27:01 (74.97.129.147)
Hi- When I said $50 plus shipping, I meant the cryogenic processing. JM .......
35: RE: Viborg and Sonarquest (5.62)
Posted by The Dill on 2020-04-21, 17:29:36 (24.22.117.64)
Cryogenic treatment starts at at -310 degrees F, the freezer will do nothing. .......
36: My search on "Deep Cryogenic Treatment" (5.62)
Posted by Kyu on 2004-10-30, 21:27:21 (202.156.2.34)
While having so many unanswered queries/doubts in cryogenic cable after reading a post below, I searched and found a site (see the link) which gives some insight about the science of the Deep Cryogeni .......
37: Re: Deep Cryogenic Treatment WORKS! (5.59)
Posted by Mudcat on 2004-11-02, 03:52:08 (152.121.36.65)
Ohhh, I'm going to hate myself in the morning, but. Since you do not seem to be getting ripped off, the best I can say is your choice. .......
38: In this case, I think that a very simple explanation is likely to be wrong (sorry) (5.57)
Posted by John Marks on 2014-04-26, 14:42:54 (100.40.104.66)
I have decades of experience with cryo and audio, even to the point of having had a set of violin strings cryo'ed. Most explanations I have read on bulletin boards are as far as I can tell wide of the .......
39: Cryogenics and the Medieval Mind (5.56)
Posted by voodooman on 2002-07-24, 08:14:25 (12.232.248.155)
In the past few months, the notion of the “true†cryogenic process as it applies to audio cables, parts, and components has come to the fore with typically alarming misinformation. While there is a pr .......
40: Re: Cryogenics, where is the supporting evidence? (5.55)
Posted by Gregory Bartlett on 2002-06-04, 22:19:53 (212.126.136.53)
Follow the link below for an overview of cryogenic process www.frozensolid.co.uk .......
41: RE: Cryo before or after re-terminating? (5.52)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2013-11-19, 16:52:50 (68.109.180.225)
Silly wabbit....you're alluding to cryonics, NOT the cryogenic treatment of materials. .......
42: RE: Cryogenic treatment - Tubes etc too? (5.52)
Posted by Dynobot on 2018-05-10, 15:16:51 (68.2.82.46)
What about other STUFF??? Tubes, gear etc. What 'can't' be Cryo'd?? .......
43: Re: What is cryogenic treatment (5.47)
Posted by Bob Olhsson on 2000-06-24, 12:36:09 (206.184.75.31)
Heating cables is also supposed to improve them. Might it be that either expansion or contraction cycles "heal " the grain structure somehow? .......
44: RE: Gonna ask this cryogenic question regarding soldering..... (5.47)
Posted by Duster on 2014-07-29, 14:31:12 (76.104.217.128)
Hi Dave, Credibility in AA is a precious thing to learn. Cheers, :-D .......
45: Re: Oh come on...close enough (5.47)
Posted by Jeff Delman on 2003-08-13, 09:39:00 (63.198.190.183)
Thought I'd have a little fun and trick a few of you into reading the story. Cryonics is cryogenic treatment of dead people. .......
46: Cryoing in Australia. (5.41)
Posted by John V on 2012-11-23, 19:53:12 (122.57.151.196)
Anyone know of a reliable deep cryogenic facility in Australia? (for power cable). .......
47: RE: Gonna ask this cryogenic question regarding soldering..... (5.39)
Posted by Crazy Dave on 2014-07-29, 13:53:06 (38.118.25.194)
Duster, I wish I had just read your post! Dave .......
48: Re: Explain something (5.39)
Posted by Mike B. on 2001-10-08, 16:09:41 (65.100.8.143)
Sean has the standard 15amp outlet. The cryo outlet is the same except for the cryogenic treatment to -300. No word from Rod M. yet. .......
49: Re: Cryogenic Treatment (5.35)
Posted by HIFIADDICT on 2001-11-11, 15:21:01 (32.101.233.111)
The Cryo alone won't help a given cable design, obviously other factors that determine the sonics. Maybe someone could freeze their Valhalla's to see if it helps. This may be something for Tekunda to .......
50: What is cryogenic treatment (5.31)
Posted by drrnc2 on 2000-06-21, 05:10:49 (165.121.84.157)
of cables, especially interconnects? Are speaker cables also treated this way? I have been around high end for several years now and have never heard of this. I would appreciate any information that y .......
51: Re: cryogenic tempering? PAD was doing it to the electrical outlet. (5.31)
Posted by Adnut on 2001-02-09, 22:37:24 (198.81.17.33)
Someone mentioned to me that PAD has a CT option available for the Japanese market and it is extremely popular in Japan. .......
52: Re: Cryogenic Treatment (5.27)
Posted by HIFIADDICT on 2001-12-10, 12:59:13 (32.101.233.12)
I agree with "audioengr," you cannot just drop the cables into a "tank." The conductors and dielectrics must be handled at different temperatures. The rate of 'chilling' must be pricely controlled. Ev .......
53: Re: Which companies offer cryogenic treatment? (5.27)
Posted by Norm on 2002-11-18, 11:44:09 (128.194.112.183)
CryoPro in Springfield, Missouri. I used them in the past but now many cables are already treated. I think they charge $10/pound and are quick. They are on the internet. .......
54: Whatever they are, they aren't Acrolink's.... (5.27)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2018-07-05, 09:55:56 (72.201.169.70)
And not the first time a Chinese company stole the name to sell their cheaper product. For that price, good luck on the cryogenic treatment as well. .......
55: RE: Markertek best-quality plus cryogenic processing plus Stabilant 22... (5.27)
Posted by acres verde on 2013-03-05, 07:37:42 (64.132.233.138)
Just went to Amazon.com and they offer this exact kit for $38. plus the 99% alcohol right there with it for $7.25 a pint. .......
56: Re: diy speaker cable (5.22)
Posted by Malcolm Fear on 2001-11-26, 01:54:01 (203.164.232.15)
Have a look at the following site, re cryogenic 26 guage cable. http://home.att.net/~chimeraone/audiocable.html .......
57: Re: Cryogenic Silver Available! (5.19)
Posted by john curl on 2001-10-09, 19:24:06 (63.25.21.178)
Speaking with Jack Bybee (physicist) recently: He has found that his devices and wires in general seem to 'break-in' for the most part with cryo processing. This saves time and hassle. .......
58: Good deal. (5.17)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2009-09-24, 11:21:50 (68.3.73.243)
Kaiser's are very nice, and used them for years. It looks like this dealer is providing after-market silver-plating (the hardware is removable) and cryogenic treatment. These plugs are an excellent va .......
59: More on cryogenic treatment of cabling (5.17)
Posted by Norm on 2001-11-19, 08:58:29 (128.194.112.183)
Before anyone again jumps down my throat, let me say these are my limited observations, they verify no theory, and they are not guaranteed to hold for others. I got three more Absolute power cords cry .......
60: Re: WOW... (5.15)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2002-11-20, 08:27:05 (24.221.101.222)
I would defer to Dan Wright of ModWright and his opinion about the surface mount parts in the XA777es......he's *very* familiar with cryogenic treatment. "modwright@yahoo.com" .......
61: Re: My search on "Deep Cryogenic Treatment" (5.11)
Posted by Mudcat on 2004-11-01, 05:23:31 (152.121.36.65)
I read the link. Is there a "testamonial" from an accredited scientific peer? I did not think so. Anecdotes at best. .......
62: RE: should you cryo your cables? (5.09)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2021-12-26, 14:39:26 (70.162.185.151)
Actually, a couple of cable manufacturers did just that. They did not disclose how exactly they did it, but they did state that the Cable Cooker was active during the cryogenic treatment....and they h .......
63: No problems freezing cables (5.07)
Posted by Gregory Bartlett on 2002-04-03, 09:10:45 (212.126.133.211)
I have frozen cables in finished and unfinished form. ie. already soldered with coverings on at cryogenic levels and cracking has not been a problem. Is this really a problem you have encountered? ::: .......
64: Cryogenics...how cold can it get? (5.03)
Posted by Jeff Delman on 2003-08-12, 18:23:17 (63.206.116.108)
Link below... .......
65: RE: Cryogenic treatment (5.00)
Posted by Duster on 2018-05-10, 20:16:15 (24.19.147.14)
OFC conductors tend to benefit from cryo treatment. Gene at Take Five Audio in Canada is an excellent A+ seller and source for cryo'd parts. .......
66: also home-made (5.00)
Posted by Mellson on 2002-05-14, 20:27:37 (63.252.162.101)
use 22 ga annealed pure silver from hooverandstrong.com... make the ICs ...then send it to cryopro.com for cryogenic tempering.... skin effects you think? don't worry about it.... thinner wires will s .......
67: Re: Proposed speaker cable design (comments wecomed!) (4.99)
Posted by Malcolm Fear on 2001-11-26, 01:51:51 (203.164.232.15)
Try this site for braiding 26 guage cryogenic Chimera cable. http://home.att.net/~chimeraone/audiocable.html .......
68: Theory? (4.99)
Posted by GHM on 2001-11-03, 09:02:56 (24.28.60.84)
What is the theory behind any "benefits" derived from cryogenic treatment? What is the source of the theory? Generally, heat, not freezing, reduces/eliminates stress in metals, plastics, etc. GHM ::: .......
69: Cryogenic Treatment Facilities in Toronto, Canada (4.97)
Posted by shuang on 2003-10-06, 16:09:22 (199.64.0.252)
Does anyone have experience with a facility (in the metro Toronto area) which will accept small batches of material for processing, e.g. from DIY audio types. If yes who/what is typical charge. ::: TO .......
70: It's always.... (4.95)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2018-12-25, 20:03:28 (24.251.119.17)
....cryo-treat then Cook. Cryogenic treatment creates a "new state" for the materials (due to the molecular compaction), so they need conditioning as if new. If you hear "a difference out of the box", .......
71: RE: Cryoing in Australia. (4.91)
Posted by ianm0 on 2012-12-16, 19:57:19 (58.6.187.90)
No first-hand experience myself. If you are fishing for somebody to do it, look under Heat Treatment - Metal in the yellow pages. Metal Treatment Cryogenic shows a link to this. .......
72: availability and practicality (4.90)
Posted by badman on 2001-11-14, 20:56:45 (208.58.106.102)
It would be more expensive to use a different gas, as Liquid Nitrogen is so readily available. The differences of a few degrees could be relevant, but not relevant enough to justify using a proprietar .......
73: disagree (4.90)
Posted by chiggy on 2002-06-18, 12:13:12 (12.250.135.121)
isn't mothra coming out with a gamma radiation based wireless cable system? i hear its going to use lasers (cryogenic no less) or something hi-tech like that. don't buy a bloody thing until thats rel .......
74: Re: My search on "Deep Cryogenic Treatment" (4.84)
Posted by geoffkait on 2004-11-01, 06:19:55 (138.88.138.147)
What scientists say or opine doesn't always agree with actual experience, and both sides of the argument can have (what appear to be) valid points. So the only real way to get to the bottom of this is .......
75: Cryogenics and Cables (4.84)
Posted by Gregory Bartlett on 2001-08-24, 06:19:25 (195.184.228.207)
Cryogenics Treatment Last month the topic of cryogenic treatment of cables appeared following an article that appeared in the July edition of Hi-Fi News. It was my company that treated the samples tha .......
76: RE: Would an Electron Microscope show (4.84)
Posted by Mike B. on 2010-06-19, 11:56:02 (174.22.0.111)
I had a magazine showing the effects of cryogenic treatment on metal parts. There was an amazing change in grain structure from chaotic to all aligned. I would also be interested to see if a similar c .......
77: Cryogenic Treatment (4.80)
Posted by Jeff Delman on 2001-11-11, 00:09:06 (63.206.117.205)
I've read virtually the entire thread down below about Cryogenic Treatment. It's getting pretty lond down there, so I've decided to start a new thread that focuses on the nature of it, and the how and .......
78: there are now a "ton" of cryo treatement facilities (4.80)
Posted by tonemaniac on 2003-09-30, 08:09:16 (216.223.210.74)
probably the easiest is to do an internet search with google and put "cryogenic tempering" or "cryogenic treatement" in the box.... look for a business that has its' act together and is located near y .......
79: RE: Cryogenic treatment - Tubes etc too? (4.79)
Posted by Dynobot on 2018-05-11, 16:29:05 (68.2.82.46)
Great info. So it almost sounds like you can Cryo a whole component [amp, pre, dac etc.] just be cautious of glue and cheap molded plastic. Generally would Cryo most always give good results? Anything .......
80: Re: My search on "Deep Cryogenic Treatment" (4.78)
Posted by StevenACNJ on 2004-10-31, 03:48:06 (205.188.116.7)
I have had most of my cables cryo treated by Charles @ Cryogenics International. All done with good results & no damage. They are very professional to deal with. Drop charles an email with your questi .......
81: Re: I had an Absolute power cord cryogenically treated. Wow! (4.77)
Posted by mcrake on 2001-11-03, 15:37:49 (208.228.171.76)
There is a bigtime music store in Boston that offers cryogenic treatment of brass musical instruments. Someone did a blind AB test of a pair of trumpets with 5 professional musicians and found no conc .......
82: Re: Deep Cryogenic Treatment WORKS! (4.75)
Posted by blake on 2004-11-01, 07:50:00 (64.136.26.235)
I paid about $20 U.S. to have the DVD player and a few CD's done. I'm fortunate to have a cryo vendor located about 15 minutes from my house so I can have everything done locally and not have to ship .......
83: Re: cryogenic tempering? (4.75)
Posted by john curl on 2001-02-09, 20:26:59 (63.25.20.246)
If you expect to measure a difference, don't bother. Still, there are differences that probably will occur due to removing a percentage of dislocations in the crystal lattice of the wire. eg. normal t .......
84: Re: cryoed connectors... (4.73)
Posted by geoffkait on 2002-05-12, 08:45:10 (66.44.92.8)
Mike, Bob might be coming around...it appears heat tempering only gets you so far (for sonic improvement), the cryo treatment seems to take that quite a ways further; and while it's not really breakin .......
85: Re: Cryo treatment & soldering.... (4.69)
Posted by The Wiz on 2007-05-09, 15:20:16 (172.215.182.172)
From what you say, the soldering must have upset the cryogenic treatment. The termination wire looks exactly the same - I assume it has not been DCTd (perhaps the stiffness lies in the insulation afte .......
86: You can ruin them if not careful (4.67)
Posted by audioengr on 2001-12-10, 12:45:07 (134.134.248.26)
I would not recommend treating the entire cable, just the metals. This is a very sensitive process. It requires slowly taking the metals down to cryogenic temperatures and then slowly back up again. T .......
87: Re: interconnects rated highly in UK at the moment (4.63)
Posted by Gregory Bartlett on 2001-12-30, 04:37:17 (212.126.134.168)
Check out the Townshend Audio Isolda Deep Cryogenic Cables. See Hi-Fi Choice Magazine, Nov 2001, Page 10. These cables received the "Editors Choice Award" and the "5 Star Award" .......
88: Re: Supra Ply 3.4/s - Can shotgun or not?. (4.63)
Posted by jims on 2003-02-25, 19:45:19 (165.21.7.105)
Cryoed - cryogenic treatment of the cable. I have my double-run lightly twisted and then add several layers of aluminium foil and rubberised tape shieldings and finally an outter jacket.Now I have no .......
89: Re: Cryogenic application in music production/reproduction (4.62)
Posted by micah on 2002-06-05, 12:18:45 (63.113.60.42)
This doesn't really go to your (excellent) point, but: It's not just that it's mechanical vs. electrical. It's that guitar strings are steel and cables are not. The mechanism for cryo treatment in ste .......
90: Shunyata power cable (4.60)
Posted by kda on 2004-10-14, 05:46:49 (168.103.215.183)
I just received a flyer from Music Direct advertising a "one time run" Shunyata Snake-bite cable for $99. Has anyione tried these? Do you think the "12 gauge cryogenic grade copper conductors" would b .......
91: The truth about cryogenics??? (4.60)
Posted by Norm on 2001-11-11, 07:51:14 (208.21.197.76)
I know Jena Labs says only immersion works, but there are several other treaters that cryogenically treat materials who say their non-immersion methods do the same things to materials. There may not b .......
92: Dangers of cryogenic treatment? (4.57)
Posted by Norm on 2001-11-19, 14:51:11 (208.21.197.1)
I had experience with the Absolute power cable to suggest that nothing other than sound was affected. Also CryoPro's Dave said they do electric motors and halogen light bulbs and that the slow lowerin .......
93: Re: can't comment on WHY they sound good, only on what I HEAR. (4.56)
Posted by woody on 2003-01-18, 07:56:47 (195.92.168.175)
I'm not disputing that cables can make a huge difference, just reacting to VD's portrayal of their designs as the ultimate, world's best, etc. without recourse to science. Vague, meaningless terms lik .......
94: RE: Gonna ask this cryogenic question regarding soldering..... (4.56)
Posted by unclestu on 2014-07-28, 01:07:37 (172.56.17.29)
As you well know electrolytic copper is 3N pure. Chemically that's reagent grade pure. So ask yourself what is OHFC, and how pure is that ? If you have wire which claim.s to 6N pure, how many makers h .......
95: Latvian power cords are hot this year (4.55)
Posted by late on 2009-06-19, 12:35:09 (74.75.129.174)
But only after cryogenic treatment by being used as reindeer harnesses pulling sleighs. It's the 'in' thing. Who knows? Maybe next year... .......
96: Cryogenic application in music production/reproduction (4.54)
Posted by Some Guy on 2002-06-05, 08:58:40 (152.3.0.20)
To further this seemingly moot argument, some guitarists swear by Dean Markley's Blue Steel strings as being not only more durable (DM claims 6 times moreso) but also richer in tone and dynamics as we .......
97: Re: What would cryo treatment improve on? (4.53)
Posted by Jonathan Scull on 2006-07-25, 12:54:03 (68.175.96.56)
If you visit my client Furutech's website and click on Science & Technology, you'll find information on their Two-Step Alpha Cryogenic and Demagnetizing Process as applied to audio. I have other Furut .......
98: Re: No. The cryogenic treatment is permanent. However.... (4.51)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2002-07-28, 16:10:59 (24.221.101.222)
....as these treatments are rather new to our hobby/industry, no one (to my knowledge) has yet done a study comparing a previously-treated component with a new and identically-treated component, say a .......
99: Picture of the fake C-29 from Seduction Audio (4.51)
Posted by uwe on 2006-08-10, 12:54:18 (81.244.177.37)
Here is the original ad from Seduction Audio regarding theC-29 IEC plug that came in a paper box: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Audiophile-Wattgate-KILLER-Cryogenic-plug-RRP-55_W0QQitemZ5863216402QQcategoryZ1 .......
100: RE: Gonna ask this cryogenic question regarding soldering..... (4.51)
Posted by Ubiquitous Biscuit on 2014-07-28, 09:54:02 (174.140.183.57)
UncleStu says more brittle and Geoff says less brittle. This is an illustration of what's wrong with offering advise/knowledge on these forums - unless you are absolutely certain. Some advise/knowledg .......
101: Thanks for getting back to me (4.51)
Posted by Metralla on 2011-05-09, 13:56:13 (15.203.233.80)
I had quite a weekend listening to my stereo. The Lamms are a big upgrade for me, and I was enjoying choosing a disk at random and listening. Quite a different presentation to what I was used to with .......
102: RE: power cord trick (4.44)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2017-07-08, 21:22:39 (68.227.247.134)
If my memory is correct, the "alpha" designation refers to their cryogenic treatment of the copper (or whatever metals they may use in their various products). If you must use a fuse, then this partic .......
103: Sorry if I caused a subjectivist/objectivist conflagration (4.44)
Posted by Norm on 2001-11-05, 11:09:33 (128.194.112.183)
I am no expert in metallurgy, but I do remember enough of my undergraduate lab days to recall what happens if something is immersed in liquid nitrogen. In my posting I merely sought to tell others wha .......
104: Re: Have you thought of Cryo and power (4.42)
Posted by Gregory Bartlett on 2001-08-25, 23:37:40 (195.8.88.10)
Hmmmm, I think I will leave that one for the experts. As I said most of my clientele are from the motor racing sector. The audio industry is new to us, but we are cryo-treating materials for two Europ .......
105: Do USB cables matter? (4.41)
Posted by Mike B. on 2010-12-12, 12:15:46 (97.125.127.118)
my experience says yes. I ordered two identical 10' USB extension cables that go from my dedicated music server computer to converter. I put one in and have used it the past month. The second was sent .......
106: Perhaps you could answer a couple of questions...? (4.39)
Posted by Paul in Sterling on 2002-03-16, 04:46:21 (216.174.54.90)
Hi: About Cryogenic treatment, How long do you hold an object at the coldest point? Do differing times make a difference? If you are cryo treating silver, is there a way to prevent the silver from oxy .......
107: Re: Cryogenic Treatment (4.39)
Posted by Gregory Bartlett on 2001-12-10, 22:14:05 (195.8.88.36)
I don’t think you will be disappointed with the cryogenically treated cables. Although I am no hi-fi expert, the customers that I cryo treat cables for swear by the treatment. I would suggest that whe .......
108: Blind test? (4.39)
Posted by old geezer on 2003-01-21, 23:16:25 (64.161.165.104)
Not even a subliminal hunch that C could stand for cryogenic? Donnez-moi mes chances, as the French would say. And yet, I can visualize a lot of readers -- they type of whom W.C. Fields said that ther .......
109: Re: Thanks......very nice article...... (4.39)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2003-01-21, 18:48:19 (24.221.101.222)
......and properly explained in layman's terms, as well as direct experience with listening tests. For the record, in addition to Ed Meitner and Max Townshend, Jim Aud of Purist Audio has been doing d .......
110: Re: Cryogenic Treatment (4.36)
Posted by Gregory Bartlett on 2001-11-12, 23:49:01 (212.126.132.247)
The copper or brass material that I have deep cryogenically treat normally changes color slightly, ie copper gets brighter, more of an orange color. Brass takes on more of a goldish/brownshish color. .......
111: Cryo'ed Cables (4.35)
Posted by erasmustazz on 2003-11-16, 17:09:06 (12.144.137.135)
About a year ago there were a few inmates who proposed objective tests for cryogenic treatment of cables and other components. What were their results? I first ran across cryo treatment at a TV statio .......
112: Re: Theory? (4.32)
Posted by Mike B. on 2001-11-03, 15:49:41 (209.180.178.75)
Cryogenic treatment is a useful and effective form of stress relief. Many NASCAR, CART, etc. race teams use it on parts of their race cars. A engine block shrinks over 1/4 inch at -300 degrees. I have .......
113: RE: Gonna ask this cryogenic question regarding soldering..... (4.31)
Posted by Duster on 2014-07-26, 17:00:17 (76.104.217.128)
Carl G wrote: How drastically will soldering the connectors deteriorate the positive effect of cryoing them. No worries. Unterminated cryo'd cables and connectors are commonplace. Solder joints will .......
114: Which P&S AC outlet to pick? (4.30)
Posted by carlmart on 2010-07-22, 10:20:53 (187.15.168.222)
I am willing to change all my AC outlets and I was thinking of using Pass & Seymour. The problem is that it seems the model I was considering was discontinued. I am talking about type 5262. What I am .......
115: Another Acme Audio Silver plated duplex outlet up for auction (4.29)
Posted by Mike B. on 2001-09-05, 14:59:45 (65.100.8.73)
I have placed another Acme Audio silver duplex AC outlet up for auction here at the Asylum. This is a cryogenic treated outlet and all proceeds go to the Asylum, so please bid. .......
116: Does cable burn-in change the crystalline microstructure of the metal? (4.28)
Posted by Rob Thomas on 2004-04-01, 22:57:43 (67.113.246.97)
Can I assume the crystal lattice doesn't show any visually apparent change, as there would be microphotographs showing such? Perhaps burn-in is occuring at some nanoscale at the crystal lattice bounda .......
117: PS: If you want to experiment (4.28)
Posted by John Marks on 2011-05-09, 09:05:58 (96.253.6.49)
PS: If you want to experiment: Buy a second, identical pair of XLR interconnects. Send them out for cryogenic treatment, which should be $50 or less, plus shipping. Compare... . JM PS: A possible reas .......
118: Anyone tried or have opinions on these DIY solid silver cables? (4.28)
Posted by Neil on 2001-09-28, 02:48:37 (24.7.51.44)
http://www.soundstage.com/synergize/synergize021998.htm Sounds like you can get 220' feet of the silver wire for ~$24! The tape method he advocates looks easy to do, too. Also considering Chimera's br .......
119: cryo treatment of power cord (4.27)
Posted by markheadphonium on 2014-04-25, 21:52:17 (50.23.113.245)
I recently put my K Works Empowered Cord through a treatment with Cryogenics International and compared to an untreated cord, the difference is very significant. The thing is, I barely understand how .......
120: Re: My search on "Deep Cryogenic Treatment" (4.21)
Posted by Mudcat on 2004-10-31, 07:24:40 (4.249.90.249)
I've commented about how cryo treatment is of no benefit based on what my co-workers do. Other audiopiles will tell you that their cable definitely do sound better. Admittedly, both my information and .......
121: Re: freezing AC cords? (4.21)
Posted by voodooman on 2002-05-28, 18:26:36 (12.232.248.155)
Gentlemen, it is exchanges like the one above that lead the rational world to deduce the high-end audio business is driven by hearsay rather than genuine experience. Had any one of you bothered to act .......
122: Re: Cryo Treatment Question (4.20)
Posted by Mike B. on 2003-11-20, 10:39:36 (67.1.44.234)
Stress relief. Processed metals show very random grain structure that is much more aligned after cryogenic treatment. I have seen before and after photos of the grain of cast parts not related to audi .......
123: RE: Cryogenic treatment - Tubes etc too? (4.20)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2018-05-11, 10:37:17 (24.251.118.228)
In my long experience, the only materials that might suffer are certain adhesives that can't survive the large temperature differentials. Adhesives that are applied on speaker drivers and voice coils, .......
124: Please don't try this at home. (4.16)
Posted by Gregory Bartlett on 2002-05-13, 01:47:40 (195.184.224.198)
Please do not try this at home, I can think of a hundred reasons for you not to do this. First and foremost using LN2 in a confined area can kill you. LN2 when flashing off expands almost 800 times in .......
125: RE: Anyone Ever Roll Their Own USB Cable??? Duster (4.13)
Posted by Mike B. on 2012-05-16, 12:18:34 (71.237.217.70)
I have done some experimenting with USB cables. I first bought two identical made up cables and sent one to Jena for cryogenics. The cryoed cable was clearly better. I have since made a couple using t .......
126: Re: I highly recommend...... (4.12)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2003-05-03, 10:49:08 (24.221.101.222)
......Cryogenics International. Totally professional, with I believe the finest process commercially available. Not all commercial vendors achieve deep cryogenic temperatures (-320F.) nor have a minim .......
127: Re: Interesting concept (4.10)
Posted by JonB on 2002-03-11, 20:27:08 (209.194.200.112)
The idea is entirely consistent with current dogma. For instance, soft annealed wire is preferred to hard-drawn wire presumably because the crystalline structure is under less stress. Same goes for co .......
128: Re: Have you thought of Cryo and power (4.08)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2001-08-24, 22:11:27 (24.221.101.222)
Jena Labs uses a proprietary deep-immersion LN2 process for cryo'ing not only power cabling, speaker cabling, and interconnects; but mains outlets, IEC's, inline AC connectors, chassis, and even CD's. .......
129: Thanks all for the helpful comments. I think... (4.07)
Posted by Kevin B on 2002-07-26, 17:53:20 (142.154.111.21)
that I'll start out and put in the Hubbell 8300 and go from there. I am very tempted to try the cryo'd versions, but I am having a difficult time convincing myself that a $60 treated duplex could be a .......
130: Re: Anyone offer Cryo treatment of cables? (4.06)
Posted by Gregory Bartlett on 2002-03-16, 03:17:47 (195.8.79.36)
Yes my company offers this service. We are located in the United Kingdom. In fact one of my customers that I treat cables for recently was awarded the "5 star rating" and "Editors Choice" in Hi-Fi Cho .......
131: What would cryo treatment improve on? (4.03)
Posted by greg7 on 2006-07-24, 04:16:26 (70.173.100.233)
Assuming it's done correctly, of course, what improvements does cryogenic treatment make with cables? Would anyone who's done it care to respond? As I mentioned in a recent forum post, I'm considering .......
132: Re: Save your money... (4.00)
Posted by sandoval on 2001-11-04, 16:08:50 (66.41.122.68)
Actually, didn't cost me a thang. Work in a neurophysiology lab and I'm swimming in liquid N2. Only takes a minute to transfer between freezers. I'm a tweaker and I enjoy experiments. I'm also a skept .......
133: I cannot (3.98)
Posted by Norm on 2001-11-17, 07:04:19 (208.21.197.36)
Jon, as I have said before I hesitate to verbalize sounds, but the Absolutes are so cheap my easy out is to say try them. I have heard that they are now backordered. They were selling 50 a day when I .......
134: I must admit I am struck that my friends and I have very favorable experiences with the Absolute (3.96)
Posted by Norm on 2002-02-20, 09:06:27 (128.194.112.183)
I now have nine of them after initially trying two. There is no question that they do improve with time and with cryogenic treatment. I would not argue that there might be better cords out there such .......
135: Re: freezing premade cables results in cracked solder? (3.95)
Posted by Adriel on 2002-04-02, 19:23:41 (209.102.127.117)
>PS speakers have cabling, maybe freezing them will improve the >sound?? I read a crazy story on the asylum once about how someone froze his wife's PSB Alpha speakers to improve their sound. This guy .......
136: Re: cryogenic (3.94)
Posted by Carlos on 2004-03-09, 13:54:45 (200.222.196.95)
Hi I have made both types, and the cryo-treated cords sound cleaner and more transparent in the midrange and treble, also faster in the bass. No doubt about it...several friends heard the same effects .......
137: RE: Hows about treating a TOSLINK cable with light rather than electricity? (3.93)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2018-01-06, 14:33:54 (24.251.120.120)
VERY nice looking cable & connectors. Did you do a comparison with any other Toslink's? If so, which would you recommend NOT getting? As I mentioned earlier, a friend is enjoying the dirt cheap Monopr .......
138: RE: Gonna ask this cryogenic question regarding soldering..... (3.93)
Posted by geoffkait on 2014-07-28, 03:28:55 (174.236.200.66)
Actually repeated tempering does make the metal harder, and more durable, and allows it take a sharper edge. But it does not make the metal more brittle. It makes it less brittle. This is why the expe .......
139: Power Cables (3.90)
Posted by ak_47_boy@hotmail.com on 2007-06-17, 17:30:40 (24.150.80.140)
I wish to understand power cables better. I can see how good hospital grade receptacles and plugs are a good idea, for good contact. What i don't understand is cryogenic treating, silver wire, etc. Ho .......
140: Re: Oyaide R1/046 Combo (3.88)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2007-05-07, 14:16:14 (24.221.101.222)
Thanks for the nice words, John! Just a small point of clarification....the R-1's (and other Oyaide outlets) undergo a DOUBLE cryogenic treatment. I found years ago that the second treatment offered a .......
141: Re: You don't have to kill a chicken. (3.87)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2003-07-06, 20:26:35 (24.221.101.222)
With *properly done* cryogenic treatment, at the right temperature, and with the right time sequence, those problems with your silver speaker cables would simply not occur. Copper, silver, gold, or co .......
142: Re: Wireworld Eclipse ic's (3.83)
Posted by derrick moss on 2002-01-08, 07:47:13 (134.153.98.126)
Ramesh, i can't answer anything on the comparison to silver but I have 2 pairs of single-ended copper EclipseIII+ and I think they are very good. I've tried them on CD output, preamp output, and even .......
143: Re: Cryogenics (3.83)
Posted by geoffkait on 2001-11-13, 02:57:49 (207.172.11.148)
As it was described to me second hand (adnittedly), the so-called "immersion method" attributed to Jenna Labs is not quite as bad as it seems at first blush - the immersion is apparently performed aft .......
144: RE: Advice sought on Dedicated Line for Stereo (3.82)
Posted by CKKeung on 2010-05-28, 14:40:50 (116.48.197.239)
My listening room has 4 dedicated lines using Oyaide EE/F-S 2.6 in-wall cable & Prysmian LSOH 6 sq mm cable. Both of them are a bit thicker than 10G of American standard. The house has a 3-phase power .......
145: Re: how many lamps do you have? (3.81)
Posted by mikel on 2001-01-28, 09:03:36 (209.245.167.76)
hi mike, your question was interesting as yesterday i was at a local dealer speaking to jennifer crock of "jena labs" and she was explaining true cryogenic treatment vs. refridgeration with dry ice. h .......
146: RE: "Audio Grade" Mains breaker (3.81)
Posted by KLS on 2008-07-26, 13:09:29 (66.235.24.105)
The circuit breaker must fit the panel. In most cases you must buy the same brand breaker as the maker of the panel. In a few cases there are choices as to the brand of circuit breaker that will fit a .......
147: Ryan Tosling? (3.80)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2018-01-06, 09:30:21 (24.251.120.120)
Oh....you mean Toslink. :--} The Cable Cooker's uber-strong output signal was designed and intended for cables (and other products such as transformers, capacitors, power strips & conditioners, etc. e .......
148: RE: Gonna ask this cryogenic question regarding soldering..... (3.79)
Posted by unclestu on 2014-07-27, 22:37:13 (72.130.96.11)
Try the various combos before cryoing. In my experience, repeated heating cycles for soldering and unsoldering wire affects the temper of the copper It becomes harder and more prone to becoming brittl .......
149: Re: I looked at the front page. (3.75)
Posted by Kyu on 2004-11-01, 19:26:14 (202.156.2.35)
"I get the feel that they do indeed understand the proces issues inherent in cryogenic treatments, so see no reason not recommend them...but they produce little in the way of an understanding of how t .......
150: Is it bad power supply design? (3.74)
Posted by Norm on 2002-03-07, 08:11:01 (128.194.112.183)
I would not pretend that I understand the nuances of power supply design or of ac transformer design, but I was once told by a Bell Labs engineer that were power supplies and transformer ideally desig .......
151: MKELLYM, when you start reading cable ads that have the following.... (3.73)
Posted by Dennisj on 2002-11-25, 12:49:29 (65.222.34.29)
Hologram wires Zero crystal Hyper solid core Dynamic filtering Cryogenic treatment Five levels of active shielding True float XL Technology And on and on....................... I am a cable and PC bel .......
152: Re: Cryopro: Inferior or superior or the same? (3.69)
Posted by geoffkait on 2002-06-03, 17:22:49 (66.44.59.131)
Never tried submersion in liquid nitrogen. I think they would be equivalent since the last few degrees shouldn't matter; in fact, I don't think it's a temperature issue, per se, to begin with - after .......
153: I 2nd the thanks: many have helped me with their posts, this site is awesome (3.66)
Posted by DunninLA on 2002-03-06, 12:15:42 (65.192.12.166)
Only thing, DWal, my speaker cable is AlmostClear11...not as clean but it certainly goes louder than your 7. It goes all the way past 10, to 11, because of extremely low inductance coupled with cryoge .......
154: Re: Save your money... (3.66)
Posted by sandoval on 2001-11-04, 15:56:30 (66.41.122.68)
I did it in response to all of these cryogenic testimonials, thought i'd try it. I may have not used the most up to date methods, but I wouldn't just dip stuff into the liquid N2. For instance, with t .......
155: Adventures in CryoLand - Part 1 - Kimber 8TC (3.66)
Posted by shuang on 2004-01-02, 19:29:37 (164.145.68.62)
Introduction This is the first installment of what will be a multi-part posting describing my experiences with cryogenic treatment of audio cables. In this installment, I discuss the cryogenic treatm .......
156: Cryogenic treatment (3.64)
Posted by Leisure7 on 2003-02-15, 12:24:40 (66.123.171.175)
The cable or whatever is slowly cooled to the temperature of liquid nitrogen, held there for a while, then slowly warmed to room temperature. The specific time-temperature program of cooling, soaking, .......
157: A very strong YES.... (3.64)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2008-07-25, 19:28:51 (24.221.101.222)
Improving/upgrading your power delivery is foundational, and will affect everything else in your system (for the positive, imnsho). You could also start IN the wall by upgrading to cryo-treated wiring .......
158: Gee that is some of the prettiest nickel plating (3.61)
Posted by rcrump on 2001-06-16, 10:39:16 (24.27.64.139)
I have seen......Guess you could use it as a compass if you got lost as nickel is magnetic :-) Haven't tried the Wattagate duplex, but have always preferred the Pass & Seymour outlets to the Hubbells .......
159: Re: Sources for bulk 89259 (3.61)
Posted by Fred J on 2004-08-21, 16:10:59 (24.158.12.142)
What does the cryogenic treatment do for the Beldon 82959 ? I was a long range shooter for many years and cryogenic treatment will help certain steel alloys in rifle barrels to wag in a more predictab .......
160: Re: But, Alan... (3.56)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2002-01-20, 11:47:42 (24.221.101.222)
"The cables themselves could be viewed as not "generating sound" as you say, but generating/carrying signal, so why not condition the conditioner?" Well, imho, the *only* tweak that *might* make the C .......
161: I was just about to recommend Markertek & 1.5 meters (3.54)
Posted by John Marks on 2012-05-27, 10:26:54 (96.253.2.88)
The theory behind the 1.5 meter length is that whatever reflections come back from the far end of the cable will arrive in the "fat part" of the "digital eye" and not where the signal is crossing the .......
162: Re: I thougth that putting them in the freezer was cheap cryo. (3.52)
Posted by Brian Walsh on 2002-05-25, 11:57:52 (64.81.150.121)
As I understand, one significant difference between cryogenic processing and dry ice or home freezer treatment is how long the effect lasts. Cryo treatment is permanent, while the others are likely to .......
163: you've not actually made that case here. (3.47)
Posted by jneutron on 2005-02-15, 10:48:23 (130.199.3.22)
JR: ""Folks who must measure acurately into the uV and mV use either gold-plated connectors, or silver plated BNC's, and make sure that they are not made from steel parts, including the crimp sleeve. .......
164: Where to get Cryo treatment for wire? (3.45)
Posted by chopper87@aol.com on 2010-10-02, 13:54:11 (205.188.116.16)
Guys/Gals I am in the middle of a comparative evaluation of Numerous audio purpose built USB cables ranging in price from $49.95 to over $1,200 per cable. t This will culminate in a posted formal revi .......
165: What "evidence" you want? (3.39)
Posted by cheap-Jack on 2006-07-26, 09:36:52 (69.156.196.162)
HI. May I quote: "Evidence is in the eyes of the beholder". Just to quote some published clues to you: "Tests by major companies found advantages:- Tests done by Boeing/Sunstrand demonatrated cryogeni .......
166: Re: VooDoo Power Cords Dragon Cable (3.37)
Posted by voodooman on 2004-01-14, 19:59:17 (67.169.150.179)
I don't think the cryo treatment was the cause of your harsh sounding cables. If anything cryo treatment removes the harshness, and this is readily apparent in both listening and bench tests with a sc .......
167: Re: Cryogenic Treatment (3.37)
Posted by geoffkait on 2001-11-11, 03:16:12 (66.44.89.153)
The "shrinkage" of the molecules is only half the story; we all know that metal gets smaller in dimension as it gets colder. It is the other half of the story that is the most interesting. The cryo tr .......
168: Cryo (3.35)
Posted by Luminator on 2009-12-21, 11:11:34 (75.25.148.121)
Some of my audio pieces were cryo'd. However, I do not have the non-cryo samples to do a side-by-side comparison, so I am not at liberty to comment. My Oyaide SWO-XXX outlets have been given the cryo .......
169: Deep Cryogenic Treatment WORKS! (3.33)
Posted by Carlos on 2004-10-30, 22:36:04 (200.216.79.11)
HI I compared several ICs mase with the same connectors, solder, wire, dielectric, everything identical. Some ICS I had deep cryo treated, some were left untreated. The cryo cables do sound much more .......
170: Cheeze wiz (didn't know what to put here) (3.24)
Posted by John Escallier on 2002-10-19, 20:48:15 (24.188.61.21)
Everything I have learned as an EE agrees with you. Hearing is a VERY variable perception; the materials shouldn't do that. I do not necessarily see how the metals can change, but I certainly do the p .......
171: Re: Cryo-Treatment questions?? (3.23)
Posted by Quiznos on 2003-02-06, 18:13:01 (209.26.18.48)
Cryogenic treament is a form of stress relieving. It is valid for many materials, metals included. By correctly cryo-freezing a brass musical instrument, for example, you can slighly improve the reson .......
172: RE: Gonna ask this cryogenic question regarding soldering..... (3.21)
Posted by pictureguy on 2014-07-27, 23:32:54 (174.68.76.189)
If copper were porous, you could try an experiment to check that out. Take a piece of bare copper wire. Some house wire would do nicely. A piece of 12ga would be where I'd start. Let the wire sit OUT. .......
173: What's all the fuss about? (long) (3.11)
Posted by craiggoff on 2004-11-02, 18:24:13 (66.159.209.40)
As a former designer and producer of custom QA/QC process control and metrology machines/instrumentation for over 20 years I can assure you that "cryo" has been around for a long time. The companies t .......
174: Hi John... (3.10)
Posted by jneutron on 2003-05-23, 04:32:07 (24.190.124.98)
""Your casual experence is moot.""JC My "casual" experience with cryogenic conductors is consistent with what was written by McDonald years ago, and I have reported such.. Why did you post this way? I .......
175: RE: Disappointed with Furutech FI-50M (R) (3.09)
Posted by bjh on 2012-01-22, 06:59:11 (174.115.148.55)
I see what you mean ... FI-50(R) 287.50 at Audiyo The earlier 50's, think it was 55 (?) was a clear bodied model that was internally much inferior to the 11s, latter can take twice the wire size for o .......
176: I've tried em all from Wattgate to Jena Labs cryogenically treated... (3.07)
Posted by salinas212 on 2002-03-26, 16:10:36 (64.12.102.29)
in cost from $8 to over $150 and while I can easily tell an 'upgraded' outlet over most any contractor spec'd outlet for a new construction project I struggle with hearing any benefit personally, on m .......
177: Furutech (3.06)
Posted by Kamigo on 2006-03-02, 20:35:31 (70.27.170.220)
Furutech FS-15S is a 15AWG μ-OFC solid core shielded speaker cable. The conductors are Insulated in a high-density P.E. and Teflon. It is then shielded in a PET / Al Tape + Alpha conductor wire ( .......
178: RE: Odd thing is (3.06)
Posted by kenster on 2007-09-04, 18:08:59 (71.222.197.13)
"An outlet wont fix pollution anymore than a powercord will...WILL IT???? Im asking" An audio grade outlet addresses issues such as outlet body resonances, high purity contacts which includes cryogeni .......
179: Overview of cyrogenic treatment: See Hi Fi News July 2001 (3.02)
Posted by Kevinb on 2001-07-23, 22:44:17 (142.154.100.47)
I found this short but very interesting article on cryogenic science in this months issue of HiFi News describing various applications including some in world of audio. I am a bit perplexed however th .......
180: Cable burn-in vs. cryo treatment... (3.02)
Posted by Duster on 2013-06-24, 16:58:33 (76.104.217.128)
Rather than burn-in, cryogenic treatment tends to improve the grain boundaries of a metal conductor, whereas the most ctitical aspect of cable burn-in is the dielectric involvement of the insulation t .......
181: I looked at the front page. (3.00)
Posted by jneutron on 2004-11-01, 07:48:32 (130.199.3.22)
I am not in the least impressed with the facility they have, nor with their capabilities, nor the writeup..I have to walk around facilities that are far larger, far more efficient, for both liquid nit .......
182: Mogami 2534 "Upgrade" (2.99)
Posted by turnbowm on 2019-11-25, 16:04:54 (47.145.223.56)
I have used Mogami 2534 RCA interconnects several times and found them to offer good sound quality at bargain prices. The connectors on them, however, were inexpensive and I always wondered how the ca .......
183: Re: My results are *exactly* the opposite of yours...... (2.98)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2004-01-03, 15:34:49 (24.221.101.222)
I achieve greatly increased depth, in addition to scads more venue information. In fact, that's the primary reason I started cryo'ing things 3 years ago....a lot more musical information. And upfront .......
184: RE: Tangram Le' Journey Continues... (2.95)
Posted by Mike B. on 2024-02-10, 09:08:32 (76.144.116.143)
I am a big supporter of experimentation. It is a slow often frustrating process. I believe I started a mini revolution in AC related connectors starting back in late 2002 when I started Acme Audio Lab .......
185: I agree with Blake (2.94)
Posted by shuang on 2004-01-25, 14:55:49 (164.145.68.66)
If you do go the pre-assembled route, I believe that Chris VH offers the best bang for the buck. Regardless of the model you choose, spend the extra $20.00 to get it cryoed. Cryogenic treatment provid .......
186: Questions for Alan Kafton about Audiodharma Cable Cooker (2.89)
Posted by OB Ron on 2003-05-22, 23:30:18 (68.107.21.55)
To Alan Kafton, and any other Audio Asylum members with interest or experience: I've read quite a bit about the Audiodharma Cable Cooker. It's an interesting product. I'm curious about a few things: 1 .......
187: Ideal? No idea. Optimal? 1.5 meters (2.87)
Posted by John Marks on 2010-10-18, 06:49:31 (74.97.63.187)
I have been beating around this bush for years, and my conclusions (always open to review and revision) as of today are: 1. Have Markertek's custom department fabricate for you a 1.5 meter SPDIF cable .......
188: Re: What is cryogenic treatment (2.86)
Posted by Analogon on 2000-06-21, 11:28:32 (24.4.254.75)
Cryogenics is the freezing of objects to absolute zero and slowly allowing them to warm back to room temperature. This process is done with musical instruments, particularly brass instruments, and is .......
189: Re: No Bubble Burst (2.85)
Posted by unclestu52 on 2006-07-15, 12:47:05 (63.16.69.197)
Actually OHFC is a certifiable copper grade. Basically, it involves eliminating the molecular gas that enters copper when in the molten state. Some apparently cast the ingots in a vacuum, and some cla .......
190: Experiences with PCOCC bulk speaker cables? (2.82)
Posted by mitch2 on 2009-09-15, 04:41:22 (69.209.124.158)
I have found three relatively high end speaker cables that use PCOCC wire and are available in bulk form for DIY. Two are by Neotech and use solid core PCOCC copper wire that has not been further trea .......
191: Ask Markertek to make you a 1.5 meter Canare 75-Ohm digital cable (2.78)
Posted by John Marks on 2010-04-23, 11:22:04 (72.82.2.94)
The poster below got the story only half right. The reason to use 1.5 meters is related to reflections, but it is specifically the timing of the reflections (not the distance per se). So a 2-meter cab .......
192: RE: Cardas GRS spades crimp (2.78)
Posted by mitch2 on 2013-06-23, 08:08:39 (68.61.213.109)
I second what Duster says below. The GRS is made to be soldered and crimping would result in an unreliable connection. When soldered, IMO, they are a pretty good, but not great, spade and, in addit .......
193: Markertek best-quality plus cryogenic processing plus Stabilant 22... (2.77)
Posted by John Marks on 2013-03-02, 13:00:42 (108.34.252.108)
Have Markertek make you up best-quality custom cables from Mogami 2534 Japanese microphone cables and REAN (Neutrik's second brand) best-quality RCAs (black or silver). You can tell them any length fo .......
194: Re: Cryogenics and Cables (2.74)
Posted by Gregory Bartlett on 2001-08-25, 23:40:56 (195.8.88.10)
First and fore most, I feel it is important to have precise control over the entire process to achieve the desired results as well as consistent result. The entire process meaning ramping down to deep .......
195: Re: Then see what these metallurgists say... (2.65)
Posted by Gregory Bartlett on 2001-11-06, 01:19:43 (195.184.224.179)
Mat Ford does not just talk about deep cryogenics, Ford actually admits to using deep cryogenics. If you are unable to obtain a copy of the article let me know and I will post it out to you. Also I ca .......
196: Re: demagnetizing CDs? (2.65)
Posted by audioNeil on 2002-04-15, 14:53:06 (192.190.75.6)
Well, from the theory side, the only thing that make a CD sound better vis-a-vis CD treatments is something that can reduce the bit errors on the CD. The digital data is buffered, so timing isn't an i .......
197: Re: Cryo treatment & soldering.... (2.64)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2007-05-09, 14:51:24 (24.221.101.222)
I asked Townshend for a length of the wire they use to terminate the Isoldas, so assumed it would have exactly the same properties. However, I have noticed that the original terminating wires are sti .......
198: Re: Thought there was a place for $10.Then.......... (2.60)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2003-09-11, 09:26:03 (24.221.101.222)
I thought you make a collection at cost to send to Cryo Intl. . I usually have a lot of "weight" to put into cryo, and try and put customer's products in with my own....it's a convenience factor for .......
199: Unexpected result (2.59)
Posted by audioengr on 2001-12-18, 10:33:26 (134.134.248.26)
I like to use bare pure silver wire in interconnect designs, but a lot of inmates have voiced concerns about oxidation on bare wires. Someone indicated that one manufacturer plates gold over the silve .......
200: Then see what these metallurgists say... (2.57)
Posted by Gregory Bartlett on 2001-11-05, 00:21:05 (195.184.224.3)
Probably the reason the big toolmakers are don’t use cryo is because they are in the business of selling tools. Why would they be interested in selling fewer tools? It is more the end user’s that are .......
Found 7 records in Computer Audio Asylum.
1: RE: I'll hold out for the cryogenic rewinder... (8.63)
Posted by Roseval on 2010-01-05, 09:25:22 (92.254.0.240)
A jitter free 2010 Vincent .......
2: I'll hold out for the cryogenic rewinder... (8.63)
Posted by Old Listener on 2010-01-05, 09:18:50 (66.234.193.96)
with the thick aluminium faceplate. Happy new year. Bill .......
3: I look forward to your findings (8.46)
Posted by Mike B. on 2014-05-27, 13:02:23 (50.137.61.65)
I bought two identical USB cables a couple years back. Kept one stock and sent one to Jena Labs for cryogenic treatment. I did no testing other than listen to both. The cryoed cable was much better IM .......
4: RE: USB cables...all this discussion is about... (7.42)
Posted by Mike B. on 2011-10-04, 10:32:58 (71.237.217.70)
I use a 10 foot run from computer to DAC. I initially purchased two identical brand generic USB cables. I sent one to Jena Tech for cryogenic treatment. I am a commercial customer and use their servic .......
5: Audiophile Grade ROMEX....Here Ya Go (6.40)
Posted by Dynobot on 2015-07-28, 12:50:27 (97.80.186.146)
VH6 CRYO 10-2 w/ground Romex ROLL CRYO 10-2 w/g Romex ROLL $469.99 10-2 Cryogenically Treated Romex (10 AWG) is fantastic for dedicated lines and is UL approved for in-wall AC power use. Deep Cryoge .......
6: RE: well... (6.30)
Posted by mr.bear on 2011-06-20, 11:48:26 (76.89.155.252)
I've been shopping for a laptop and hoped this might be the answer. It has some interesting ideas- like the EMI shielding- but it seems it does nothing that one couldn't do by handling an ordinary lap .......
7: RE: True but ... (5.45)
Posted by Tony Lauck on 2009-01-15, 14:54:48 (65.19.76.104)
I don't think I will accept the challenge, because I don't understand the premise. (Not the same as working with fixed point arithmetic, which I did at a summer job I had in 1960.) I don't quite get w .......
Found 14 records in Critic's Corner.
1: RE: Could be that time of month..... (6.71)
Posted by Isaak J. Garvey on 2016-04-23, 07:54:35 (37.130.229.149)
Dear Lord Sue, you just made tear up...hysterical...maybe we need "audiophile grade" panty liners for those on the rag....you know, silver plated, and cryogenic-ally treated...lol. .......
2: Re: OK, here's the WHOLE PROBLEM (6.71)
Posted by May Belt on 2005-07-29, 03:49:52 (80.177.28.171)
One glaring example of the print and many e-zines media in audio's reluctance to discuss 'improvements to audio equipment' is their unwillingness to discuss (or experiment with) the freezing techniqu .......
3: Both (6.61)
Posted by John Marks on 2006-01-31, 08:08:41 (71.161.232.31)
It is a commonplace in metallurgy that TRUE cryogenic treatment changes the ratio of Austenite to Martensite in tool steel. Case closed. Don't even think about arguing about cryo and tool steel. AFAIK .......
4: Frost? (5.78)
Posted by E-Stat on 2008-10-24, 07:46:40 (206.255.204.18)
You betcha! With three quarters of a million pounds of cryogenic fuel and oxidizer (the first stage alone burned 2 tons of liquid oxygen per second ), the Saturn V generated quite a bit of frost. As f .......
5: That's par for the course (5.75)
Posted by geoffkait on 2023-04-09, 03:01:44 (98.169.213.125)
Cryogenic treatment Holographic Rainbow Foil Cable lifters The Green Pen Schumann frequency generator DSD 20 bit mastering 24 bit mastering Demagnetizing CDs Speaker placement Cable directionality Aft .......
6: Sorry (5.59)
Posted by John Marks on 2006-01-30, 16:05:59 (71.161.231.131)
Hi- You dismiss all Red Book CD players. Have you heard the EMM separates, the Esoteric separates, or the dCS P8i? I have. You are entitled to your prejudice, but I doubt it would withstand a DBT. Heh .......
7: RE: Thank you for 2 million views (4.34)
Posted by geoffkait on 2022-07-15, 04:33:58 (98.169.214.23)
It's quite possible the differences were too "subtle" to be heard on the test system for whatever reason and or the listeners were not as skilled as everyone assumed. There are lots of reasons why tes .......
8: Re: No offense intended (at least by me) (4.28)
Posted by morricab on 2006-02-01, 08:20:24 (196.3.50.254)
"Re: CDs. Changing the modulus of elasticity makes for a "floppier" CD with more self-damping. The theory is that it flutters less while rotating than a more rigid CD (all CDs are out of round and out .......
9: Re: Sorry Dan, we were discussing AC - RF grounding, not airborn. (3.91)
Posted by Ozzie on 2007-01-23, 11:39:35 (198.24.6.134)
> Sorry to disappoint, but everything makes a difference. And the differences are cumulative. Using a good power cord helps the sound even when using a good grounding scheme. --- Care to qualify that .......
10: The Compact Disc is an analog medium, read by analog means (3.63)
Posted by John Marks on 2006-02-01, 05:24:33 (71.161.225.161)
The compact disc is an analog medium, read by analog means. The presence, absence, or length of pits on the disc's surface are ***analogues*** of digital data. They are read by shining a laser at them .......
11: Re: I suggest we create a new Asylum.... (3.10)
Posted by May Belt on 2005-05-08, 10:24:45 (80.177.28.171)
With acknowledgements to Enid Lumley's work some 20 years ago. I think the immature reaction to Enid from so many members of the audio industry was disgraceful. The people know who they are and I thi .......
12: RE: Are you serious Analog Scott ? (2.94)
Posted by May Belt on 2011-03-19, 08:49:32 (80.177.28.171)
I see you say you have read some of our Web page but I see you have chosen NOT to quote from my 1986 paper "Challenging the Conventional". This paper was written before we began to struggle - trying .......
13: RE: Are you serious Analog Scott ? (2.88)
Posted by May Belt on 2011-03-18, 11:38:12 (80.177.28.171)
>> "The most likely reason for percieved audible differences with Belt products is bias effects. That is not a universal truth among all percieved audible differences." Now we come to the main theme .......
14: No offense intended (at least by me) (2.47)
Posted by John Marks on 2006-01-31, 11:35:41 (71.161.226.215)
Hi- Were you in this room as opposed to on the Internet, I still would have said, in a conversational and not confrontational tone of voice, that you should not even think about arguing about the appl .......
Found 29 records in Digital Drive.
1: question about cryogenic treatment (10.26)
Posted by analogkid on 2003-01-07, 11:53:18 (68.39.6.97)
Hi guys, I have a question about cryogenic treatment. Specifically, I'm considering getting my ears cryogenically treated. Do you think I should just get one done first so I can do an A/B comparison, .......
2: RE: On the other hand... (10.26)
Posted by crossram2x4@aol.com on 2009-08-09, 14:22:54 (98.196.64.162)
Charles, It is not cryogenic treatment. Please email me. .......
3: RE: Treated Isoclean fuses for Ayre gear-- (7.60)
Posted by crossram2x4@aol.com on 2009-08-09, 11:36:04 (98.196.64.162)
Unfortunately, I am not at liberty to say at the moment. But I will say that it is not cryogenic treatment. I will check with the manufacturer to see if it is okay to reveal this information and get b .......
4: RE: Treated Isoclean fuses for Ayre gear-- (6.98)
Posted by crossram2x4@aol.com on 2009-08-09, 14:17:43 (98.196.64.162)
Unfortunately, I am not at liberty to say at the moment. But I will say that it is not cryogenic treatment. I will check with the manufacturer to see if it is okay to reveal this information and get b .......
5: cryoed cdrs (6.98)
Posted by pilot on 2006-01-02, 13:03:26 (69.175.133.112)
Has anyone tried cryoed cdrs? Does cryogenic treatments improve cdr sound quality? .......
6: Re: question about cryogenic treatment (6.86)
Posted by SETdude on 2003-01-07, 13:53:51 (65.198.222.78)
I cryo'd the ex wife. Lucky for me I got a sympathetic judge. Worked great. Just get some dry ice and pack you ears. Send you audio gear, pre paid to me. TIA .......
7: New Dodson 218 Cryo DAC (6.67)
Posted by Nglazer on 2002-08-09, 10:40:03 (216.44.45.115)
Has anyone heard the new Dodson DAC 218 Cryogenic Processor? Comments/Comparison with 217 MKIID? Thanks. .......
8: On the other hand... (6.53)
Posted by Charles Hansen on 2009-08-09, 12:17:09 (209.97.232.111)
...I bet that a cryogenic treatment would make a nice improvement. The problem is that most places charge something like $100 a pound with a one or two pound minimum. So unless you are going to set up .......
9: Re: yes,you did (6.51)
Posted by Mikenificent1 on 2000-05-25, 16:10:29 (64.24.41.51)
>>1)why to play 100 times a recording when we(read they)have trillions to choose,and Even if the whole CD was only one second long, you could still NEVER live long enough to listen to it 1 trillion ti .......
10: Re: question about cryogenic treatment (6.49)
Posted by onestrikeforce on 2003-01-08, 11:37:35 (66.222.197.69)
I like you kid! Well, humor is, what humor does. I'm so glad you did not ask for instructions, how to flush yourself down the toilet, may be do to audio nervosa. Yust kidding! It helps a great deal, i .......
11: RE: The precise mechanism is, to say the least, poorly understood (6.45)
Posted by geoffkait on 2021-03-20, 13:39:10 (98.169.214.23)
I was trying to remember what first inspired me and found a lot of threads on the subject of cryogenic treatment right here on Audio Asylum, mostly on Tweakers Asylum, and just saw a post of mine from .......
12: RE: The precise mechanism is, to say the least, poorly understood (6.36)
Posted by geoffkait on 2021-03-20, 09:08:08 (98.169.214.23)
Cryogenic treatment affects all materials, even plastic, non ferrous metals, ceramics, polycarbonate, paper, wood, etc. for example golf balls will travel further after cryo. Razor blades will last lo .......
13: Re: ok. . . .but. . . . . (5.99)
Posted by -Steve on 2001-05-02, 13:49:59 (15.252.66.74)
TylerB wrote: >it is common engineering practice to use heating to relax the tension created in manufacturing processes, not sub-cooling. Check out the geometric stabilzation of Precision Gage Blocks .......
14: Re: Synergy & Money (5.57)
Posted by geoffkait on 2000-10-03, 12:05:09 (192.91.146.35)
Well, I think synergy is certainly important. I would add: isolation of front end components; cryogenic treatment (or at least freezing) of all components, power cords and interconnects; reduction of .......
15: Ferrous: Austenitic vs. Martensitic Steel (5.48)
Posted by John Marks on 2021-03-20, 16:48:48 (100.40.114.211)
Cryogenic processing changes the crystalline structure of steel. And therefore, in a sense, its chemical composition, I guess. The tip of a fascinating iceberg, if you can excuse the punsical allusion .......
16: skeptical (5.32)
Posted by badman on 2001-05-01, 00:08:41 (128.6.246.88)
I'm quite skeptical about freezing of cds. Cryogenic treatment is one thing, that actually changes the structure of materials for the better. A freezer does not come close to the temparatures at which .......
17: RE: Ferrous: Austenitic vs. Martensitic Steel (5.19)
Posted by CG on 2021-03-21, 05:45:07 (32.210.164.98)
Lots of groups other than audiophiles use cryo treatment. None of the cryogenic treatment service companies could get by if their customer base was just audio enthusiasts. I think a lot of their busin .......
18: Ed Meitner introduced me to cryogenic processings of CDs in the mid to late 1980s (5.18)
Posted by John Marks on 2021-03-20, 16:33:58 (100.40.114.211)
My guess, circa 1987 because I recall it was after the release of the North Star LP of Arturo Delmoni's "Songs My Mother Taught Me," and we were in discussions with MFSL to make the CDs that North Sta .......
19: RE: The precise mechanism is, to say the least, poorly understood (4.68)
Posted by CG on 2021-03-20, 07:34:40 (32.210.164.98)
The mechanical aspect has always lurked in the back of my mind as being a big deal. After all, cryogenic treatment of most materials apparently does not change the chemical structure (I'm told that an .......
20: I believe they are. (4.65)
Posted by John Marks on 2023-03-16, 13:59:59 (96.238.9.137)
At least, copper has been, in my experience. (Esperanto Audio has had a hard pandemic, but, I have made and sold WC and SPDIF cables.) I believe the cause is the Shelf-ing or overlapping of copper .......
21: Re: 24 bit resolution or not.... (4.61)
Posted by Werner on 2000-05-10, 23:28:02 (146.103.254.13)
Yes, dCS DACs approach true 23-24 bit resolution, even when physics dictate a hard limit at 21 bits or so (at room temperature, better if you're prepared to go cryogenic - hint - there's the next high .......
22: RE: Ed Meitner introduced me to cryogenic processings of CDs in the mid to late 1980s (4.53)
Posted by geoffkait on 2021-03-21, 03:59:40 (98.169.214.23)
You beat me to it. I remember Meitner was cryoing his electronics and I know cryo had caught on in the early 2000s somewhat because Walker was using it on some of the parts of his fabulous turntable, .......
23: Intelligent Chip vs. Goat Sacrifice (4.42)
Posted by The Rube on 2006-10-01, 09:12:04 (65.23.172.195)
Damn! I missed the auction on Audiogon for the Intelligent Chip! Easy to use, too! "The Intelligent Chip is placed on top of the player for 2 seconds while the disc to be treated is playing. The disc .......
24: RIP – all good things must end (4.18)
Posted by saltyflies on 2004-07-03, 13:29:15 (172.129.227.245)
Hi – Sorry to hear that the little cdp that could is terminal. Build quality was not one of its’ strong points - only a matter of time. I've blown more on less amusing things, so no regrets from m .......
25: RE: Pheonix, (4.14)
Posted by timothywas1@comcast.net on 2019-10-15, 05:25:27 (107.77.161.32)
Well hello Par, and Thank you for taking the time to respond. I was concerned some time back in regards to your Whereabouts, good to see you back here,your posts are most helpful. In regards to the r .......
26: More to put on the to do list.... (3.91)
Posted by PranaBindu on 2003-04-07, 13:01:09 (65.81.236.44)
I don't like the idea of copying all my cd's onto black cd-r's to get that extra bit of goodness out of the medium, but I have an idea of why it might work. Probably the black cd-r's don't demand as m .......
27: Hmmm... (3.54)
Posted by John Marks on 2021-03-19, 15:00:19 (100.40.114.211)
Let's be tactful, and say that the gold/polyolefin "appeared" to convey a greater amount of detail. I made gold CDs of Arturo Delmoni's "Songs My Mother Taught Me," and I treated 50 of those to cryoge .......
28: They are repeating the mistakes of Tice (3.23)
Posted by Charles Hansen on 2008-02-18, 07:51:24 (209.97.232.186)
In the early '90s Tice made power line conditioners that were very highly regarded. Then they stumbled on to a tweak whereby a digital alarm clock could be "treated", and plugging this clock into an A .......
29: Audio Charity Auctions closing today..... (2.84)
Posted by Rod M on 2001-09-24, 08:19:29 (204.94.81.82)
Check out all this cool stuff! Bid totals for the event are now over $103K. Thank you all! Charity Auctions: Ending Today Bid Ends Plinius 8200 Integrated .......
Found 16 records in Hi-Rez Highway.
1: the Philips 1000 can be cryo without a problem.. (10.43)
Posted by Mellson on 2002-08-19, 16:04:24 (64.196.181.47)
write to me if you want to treat it with cryogenic tempering for better sound guality.(darker background, music just jump out out of the speaker, more organic texture..) I've decided to cryo my XA777E .......
2: Re: Mikro-smooth works on DVD-As, how about SACDs? (10.43)
Posted by libor on 2002-04-11, 13:13:53 (24.69.255.204)
How about molecule orientation? As with "freezing" and now Cryogenic treatment? .......
3: Re: Cryogenic Teatment od Disc (8.26)
Posted by oldmkvi on 2003-03-11, 19:34:28 (63.183.9.187)
Flutes used to be treated this way. Not anymore. This is tweakdom taken to a ridiculous extreme. .......
4: Re: cryogenic tempering for $20 without losing warranty.... (8.10)
Posted by jeromelang on 2002-08-23, 20:55:26 (202.166.126.232)
You are in Taiwan right? The treatment is $20. But how much did it cost you to have the player shipped back and forth? .......
5: Allen, YOU Da Man ! (7.74)
Posted by Joel_Waterman on 2001-12-13, 13:12:31 (212.198.0.93)
Allen, you were supposed to use the cables for deep-immersion cryogenic treatment. Not yourself! Damn. You can't trust anyone anymore these days. Jw :-) .......
6: Right! "Coming soon fron Cryogenic Records- Spooky Dead Guys and their Orchestra"!! Really (7.69)
Posted by oldmkvi on 2005-10-27, 20:02:21 (69.236.208.115)
Killer sound, but stiff interpretaion. .......
7: cryogenic tempering for $20 without losing warranty.... (7.63)
Posted by Mellson on 2002-08-23, 20:19:55 (64.196.181.56)
philips 1000 has been proven perfect for cryo(but not the whole CDP).... I will try XA777ES with cryo later... this is a nobrainer...and it's sooo cheap.... .......
8: Re: Anyone tried Cryo SACDs ?? (7.51)
Posted by unclestu52 on 2005-04-08, 11:32:55 (63.16.40.51)
So have you actually tried any of the cryoing processes? I actually went out and purchased a true cryogenic freezer, but have yet to install it because of the possible safety factors if you use canist .......
9: Just sent my discs this afternoon for cryogenic treatment (6.07)
Posted by jeromelang on 2003-04-28, 07:34:33 (165.21.154.10)
Thought you might like to know. My friend, JimS brought 5 treated SACDs to my place last week. Chesky DSD sampler Jerry Goldsmith Film Music Tsai Chin Golden Voice Vol.2 Can't remember the title of th .......
10: Re: Mikro-smooth works on DVD-As, how about SACDs? (5.76)
Posted by Mijostyn on 2002-04-11, 14:00:24 (152.163.197.83)
Cryogenic treatment is a way to reduces retained martensite in heat treated ferrous metals. It makes the metal less brittle. It only works after getting the metal very hot depending on the target hard .......
11: Re: Sony SCD-1 mods-away? (5.63)
Posted by stator_99@yahoo.com on 2005-03-02, 20:34:04 (69.164.154.26)
I also own a SCD-1 and although I have not had the chance to hear any of the mods available, I have made an incredible difference by using four symposium audio rollerblocks with the G-3 superball upgr .......
12: I do live in the US now.... (5.27)
Posted by Mellson on 2002-08-24, 11:55:11 (64.196.181.77)
cryopro.com charges 10 per pound plus both way shipping.... I shuold stress that only PCBs(audio board), all connectors and transformers(chocks) are cryoed... not the whole player... The LCD display, .......
13: Re: SA-1 UPGRADE (5.18)
Posted by jims on 2003-01-23, 20:26:46 (165.21.7.134)
Simple, they are trying their best to convince me to buy them.How else but to loan them to me for home comparison.Still comparing but find the DCS combi with the recent upgrades a bit of hassle to ope .......
14: Cryogenic Teatment od Disc (5.18)
Posted by jims on 2003-03-11, 19:27:19 (165.21.7.105)
Had 33 sacds and 2 cds croyed lastweek. Improvement heard includes better dynamics,tighter bass,quieter background,details and better focus. Brought several pieces to audio shops for comparison. The B .......
15: RE: 32 bits = exaggerated marketing claim (5.14)
Posted by Charles Hansen on 2007-09-13, 17:14:31 (209.97.232.186)
> Oh, I personally don't think so. I don't think we've come to the asymptote for *anything*. Do you think a current BMW is a better car overall than the equivalent model 10 years ago? No, there is st .......
16: Totally invisible mod (4.39)
Posted by Busybusy on 2002-08-03, 12:40:15 (12.235.78.191)
I have access to cryogenic chamber. All I did was to remove the analog power supply board, analog board, and the transformer. Put it in the cryo chamber. The result is very musical, grainless, warm an .......
Found 1 records in Events Asylum.
1: Chicago Audio Society meeting Sun. Jan. 20 - show reports & cryogenic treatment (2.33)
Posted by Brian Walsh on 2002-01-03, 17:21:26 (64.81.150.121)
Our January 20th meeting will feature summaries of what we saw and heard at the CES and THE Expo, along with showing a raft of literature we pick up (we'll also play some new music we pick up at the s .......
Found 4 records in News Asylum.
1: Belden 8402/9497 Available by The Ft (3.86)
Posted by G Evely on 2016-01-13, 06:26:06 (184.151.61.12)
Take Five Audio is now offering Deep Cryo Treated (DCT) Belden 8402 interconnect and 9497 speaker cable by the ft. Take Five Audio, unlike most of our competitors selling DCT products performs the .......
2: Acme Audio Labs Silver Plated Duplex AC Outlets (3.86)
Posted by Frank of FSAUDIOWEB on 2001-12-27, 12:23:09 (66.75.159.247)
FSAudioWeb is pleased to announce our latest manufacturer, ACME AUDIO LABS. Michael Brinkman has been getting the "buzz" on the Internet for his innovative AC Outlets, that have increased the sonics a .......
3: Triode Wire Labs Debuts new Product Line! (2.94)
Posted by Triode Pete on 2012-04-06, 19:17:30 (173.77.146.242)
Triode Wire Labs is pleased to announce their new power cable line-up featuring deep cryogenic treatment and completely passive noise filtering in every model. See some more details at this Industr .......
4: Dodson Audio now at Sonic Spirits (NY Metro Area! (2.74)
Posted by PhilNYC on 2004-06-07, 19:24:30 (67.81.9.216)
Sonic Spirits is proud to announce that we are now an authorized dealer for Dodson Audio! Ralph Dodson is a retired scientist from General Dynamics. He has spent at least half of a lifetime designing .......
Found 13 records in Inmate Central.
1: Cryogenic relationships. I have stories. (9.20)
Posted by free.ranger on 2022-03-28, 08:28:24 (67.164.150.58)
All in the TMI files. .......
2: Rev, let us know how that cryogenic chamber is working. It looks well stocked. nt (9.20)
Posted by free.ranger on 2015-02-28, 21:24:34 (71.227.255.133)
.......
3: Sorry guys there's no room in the lake for cryogenic... (9.11)
Posted by millen on 2004-11-18, 12:49:45 (142.56.2.11)
experiment during the winter as it’s full of Bud kegs we drink as a thirst quencher during our figure skating program and shinny hockey activities. .......
4: RE: the 'bottom view' photo in question (8.22)
Posted by Uncle Mike on 2023-04-20, 14:10:09 (172.58.204.174)
There were reports of valve issues in testing, which I'm not sure of. Boeing had similar issues with the cryogenic isolation and mixing valves on the Artemis launch vehicle and took some time to solve .......
5: Gary...I have... (7.82)
Posted by kootenay on 2014-06-25, 16:18:10 (70.75.64.25)
Michelin Defender Green tires that have given me some excellent ride with normal wear and tear. These tires are warranteed for 90,000 miles according to their website. Perhaps, the great performance o .......
6: yeah, that's chilly (7.55)
Posted by mhardy6647 on 2020-01-17, 16:35:10 (71.192.138.56)
Now's the time for some enterprising Yukonian to make a bundle gettin' folks to ship up cables from the Lower 48 for cryogenic treatment! I am sure anyone looking at this thread knows that the Celsius .......
7: So you set the AC to Cryogenic in February when trying to turn up the volume... (7.29)
Posted by ElbowGeek on 2009-11-19, 08:02:52 (207.2.98.34)
You got a problem with that ;-) ? I do see what you mean. I'm actually surprised that they've gone with this design choice as I know that previously BMW has been accused of the same sins in their past .......
8: Beautiful evening skies in the mid-south (6.92)
Posted by E-Stat on 2018-09-02, 18:17:04 (206.255.198.236)
Four planets are in view tonight- Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. I love looking at the Saturnian rings through my telescopes. Surreal. We're only two years away from the launch of the James Webb S .......
9: CERN (6.88)
Posted by Inmate51 on 2016-12-01, 10:44:04 (47.188.98.98)
"CERN was just down'd by a WEASEL eating some wires. " In the NPR.org report, the spokesman said "charred remains" "likely a weasel". Hahahaha! I can believe it would be hard to say. Here is a sample .......
10: RE: Probably not hydrogen... (6.78)
Posted by Steve O on 2019-03-08, 11:35:42 (107.77.193.27)
If fuel cells make it they probably won't be using LNG or LH2 because they're cryogenic liquids as normally available, require storage in Dewar flask like containers and need venting. Almost all autom .......
11: RE: Interesting analogies... (5.23)
Posted by Steve O on 2019-09-18, 22:07:28 (23.125.184.79)
I think a better roulette wheel analogy would be this: Imagine a real world roulette wheel complete with friction but otherwise truly "fair" or random. You spin the wheel and ball and then put a cove .......
12: Or how we deal with "dirt" and bacteria. (4.84)
Posted by Muzikmike on 2007-08-15, 13:06:20 (71.50.200.200)
Clean everything with bleach! Antibacterial soap to wash our hands. Cryogenic freezing of our vegetables. And let's not forget our meat. Let's breed cattle to make good fatty meat, with no regard to h .......
13: Hydrogen as an energy storage and transport medium has definite real-world problems (4.66)
Posted by Steve O on 2023-02-22, 16:51:12 (23.125.184.79)
Energy density is low due to low gas density, even considering its naturally diatomic nature. Practically speaking, energy density is so low that long distance pipeline pumping energy required is esti .......
Found 9 records in Inmate Systems.
1: JLV - Jean-Luc system (3.11)
Posted by JLV on 2006-08-22, 14:14:14 (82.65.1.126)
Moniker: JLV System Name: Jean-Luc system Amp: Ongaku (Kondo san era) Preamp: Speakers: Living Voice OBX-RW Macassar Ebony CDP: SONY SDC 777-ES Table: Thales TTT-C, Simplicity II arm, Lyra ETNA. SUT .......
2: Mario C. - New High Resolution (3.11)
Posted by Mario C. on 2007-10-21, 21:16:40 (189.135.19.216)
Moniker: Mario C. System Name: New High Resolution Amp: Pass Labs XA 60.5 Monoblocks Preamp: None Speakers: Avalon Indra CDP: Wadia 581 Cables: Shunyata Orion and Antares XLR Other Stuff: Shunyata Hyd .......
3: PhilNYC - Main System (2.88)
Posted by PhilNYC on 2003-03-20, 00:46:51 (71.172.19.230)
Moniker: PhilNYC System Name: Main System System Rev Date: 2006/11/10/06:31 System Rev IP: 71.172.19.230 Amp: Blue Circle BC206 Hybrid Stereo Amplifier (180wpc) Preamp: Blue Circle BC3000mkII w/GZpz p .......
4: David Sevir - David Sevir (2.17)
Posted by David Sevir on 2006-01-21, 15:26:43 (174.25.19.139)
Moniker: David Sevir System Name: David Sevir Amp: Dehavilland Ios (SET with 845 tubes) Preamp: Dehavilland Ultra-Verve Speakers: Klipschorns with wooden tractix horns and ALK extreme slope crossover .......
5: K. Morgan - Morgs attempt at an audio system (2.06)
Posted by K. Morgan on 2001-10-21, 15:54:31 (66.119.238.32)
Moniker: K. Morgan System Name: Morgs attempt at an audio system System Rev Date: 2002/03/19/13:27 System Rev IP: 66.119.238.32 Amp: Sim Audio I-5 Moon 70 wpc integrated amp Preamp: none Speakers: Kli .......
6: Brent Christman - Brent's Main System (2.04)
Posted by Brent Christman on 2013-11-15, 09:01:52 (192.12.184.6)
Moniker: Brent Christman System Name: Brent's Main System Amp: Intentionally left blank Preamp: McIntosh MX110 preamp/FM tuner with RCA black plate 6U8's. Speakers: ATC SCM50ASL Pro Three way studio m .......
7: davebarrow@blueyonder.co.uk - Main Living Room (1.91)
Posted by davebarrow@blueyonder.co.uk on 2005-04-03, 10:10:18 (82.38.113.90)
Moniker: davebarrow@blueyonder.co.uk System Name: Main Living Room System Rev Date: 2006/04/01/14:13 System Rev IP: 82.38.113.90 Amp: DK Design VS1 Mark III Preamp: DK Design VS1 Mark III Speakers: Hy .......
8: Mellson - not up to date for a long time...too many changes.. (1.90)
Posted by Mellson on 2001-06-21, 02:49:00 (4.254.114.147)
Moniker: Mellson System Name: not up to date for a long time...too many changes.. System Rev Date: 2005/07/14/08:54 System Rev IP: 4.254.114.147 Amp: system not up to date... too many changes all the .......
9: Spoon's Spoon's Tunes (1.85)
Posted by Spoon on 2005-06-27, 15:09:57 (24.116.123.47)
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Found 6 records in Isolation Ward.
1: RE: Just like a NASA "theoretical physicist" (5.59)
Posted by unclestu on 2011-08-03, 17:11:29 (72.253.179.5)
to forget that the ambient temperature in deep space is near cryogenic. All hail our resident "genius". Stu .......
2: RE: "someone in another section of the audio industry" (5.59)
Posted by May Belt on 2008-02-03, 11:21:30 (80.177.28.171)
>>> "Who exactly was that someone? You provide names throughout your post, why not this portion of it?" I would suggest that you do not fixate on one single example or on one single name. Just look .......
3: RE: Actually, there has been a notable shift in 'tweak talk' in this regard. (2.95)
Posted by May Belt on 2009-08-08, 11:33:42 (80.177.28.171)
The problem with this 'remedial' approach to the effect of 'tweaks' ( some people need them, some people don't) is that it is just as narrow as the other approach i.e "it must be EITHER affecting the .......
4: RE: Ponderings (2.28)
Posted by May Belt on 2008-02-04, 08:39:19 (80.177.28.171)
>>> "So are the plastics or the RF emitting wireless and digital products to blame, as both seem to have moved into modern homes hand in hand? Or maybe it is simply the fact that population densities .......
5: RE: Bybee, Belt, Tice and Kait. (1.58)
Posted by May Belt on 2008-08-25, 08:03:23 (80.177.28.171)
>>> "So, what is behind all of this? Is there really anything to it beyond the power of suggestion and knowing that there's one born every minute? If so how many mechanisms are involved, are these dif .......
6: RE: Some good questions. (0.94)
Posted by May Belt on 2008-11-09, 06:17:32 (80.177.28.171)
>>> "You mentioned JA twice regarding tweaks, so you seem to subscribe to his listening abilities. Fair enough." I have not kept up with ALL the audio journalists who write for American traditional .......
Found 2 records in Music Lane.
1: As Monty Python always said, this is becoming very SILLY. ... (5.18)
Posted by OwlGlass on 2006-03-14, 16:13:12 (207.69.137.206)
So in the approved CJ fashion I googled "Brahms" + "String Quintet". And came up with the small number of 168,000. Really "unknown". Aside from the obvious Amazon etc. references to recordings, the fi .......
2: I have already noted my total lack of rodentine derrière to donate re: LvB's Triple Concerto, (5.18)
Posted by John Marks on 2015-02-09, 16:37:00 (100.40.104.113)
Good post, thanks! I have already noted my total lack of rodentine derrière to donate re: LvB's Triple Concerto, but, because the EMI companion SACD with that on it is so LAUGHABLY sharp, I carried on .......
Found 4 records in OTL Asylum.
1: Dennis Ketterer's cryogenic ZEROs (8.65)
Posted by Paul Speltz on 2002-07-03, 05:17:46 (0)
Dennis Ketterer stated in message #5842 that he has cryogenic treated his ZEROs. Click the below link to see it. If you click on his name, his email address should pop up as well. Paul Speltz ::: TOPI .......
2: re: cryogenics (8.65)
Posted by Phil Starr on 2002-07-02, 07:05:50 (0)
Does anyone have experience with the cryogenic treatment of audio equipment, in particular, the ZEROS? What caveats would you make? Thanks, Phil Starr .......
3: RE: Is Ralph Lauren making fuses now? (6.62)
Posted by throwback on 2014-10-02, 07:03:44 (75.71.37.161)
Measuring R (resistance)might be relatively easy. But what about other factors? I have read claims that vibration contributes to sound--hence that ceramic fuse cases are better than glass ones. Lew ha .......
4: BAY AREA TUBE FESTIVAL IMPRESSIONS (5.02)
Posted by Al Sekela on 2001-09-24, 14:53:29 (0)
Many thanks to Ben Reginato (bmrsvx@pacbell.net) for organizing an all-day set of lectures and demonstrations at the Randall Museum in San Francisco on 23 September 2001. My only regret was that I did .......
Found 66 records in Propeller Head Plaza.
1: Cryo treatment excerpt (6.65)
Posted by NEAR SOTA on 2003-08-05, 23:20:54 (172.160.65.228)
I found the following paragraph very intresting which sheds some light on the designers reasons for using cryo treatment in a SOTA piece of gear. What the sound is like only he and owners would know. .......
2: Re: What is the treatment? Are you doing this yourself? (6.65)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2003-07-10, 22:55:44 (24.221.101.222)
Dear Near......deep immersion is do-able by a trained professional *with* experience in this technology, of course. Thermal shock, and material degradation, is introduced primarily by an accelerated t .......
3: Re: Does Cryoing Work For Everything But Audio? (6.04)
Posted by Posy Rorer on 2007-04-11, 12:24:00 (141.76.45.35)
Well, you certainly have me convinced. You make a great case here for the cryo treatment of objects, including audio equip. Plenty of data and objective research. And an interesting point about CI sta .......
4: Re: Since no one has come out to say they disbelieve the Freeze Effect-does that mean it's accepted by everyone here? (5.69)
Posted by morricab on 2007-04-11, 06:11:22 (196.3.50.254)
"BTW, I'm also betting you're just guessing when you say the photo is not a real and repeatable effect. So what's your assertion based on? " You can prove to me that it is a real and repeatable effect .......
5: Re: FWIW..... (5.64)
Posted by Presto on 2007-04-11, 11:20:47 (207.216.246.51)
Todd: "I think cryogenic treatments of connectors, cables, switches, etc. do improve the sound." or conversely, "I DO NOT think cryogenic treatments of connectors, cables, switches, etc. do improve th .......
6: Re: If you don't like (5.47)
Posted by geoffkait on 2006-10-26, 09:16:17 (72.75.25.197)
the cryogenic claims can we assume you don't like the home freezer claims either? .......
7: "Way to much 'Snake Oil' Mktg BS claims... one of my favorites is the 'cryogenic treatment'!!" LOL! (5.26)
Posted by clarkjohnsen on 2006-10-26, 08:58:29 (208.58.2.83)
You haven't a clue. clark .......
8: Re: Are you talk about Cryogenics or frige freeze tweaking ????? (5.23)
Posted by May Belt on 2007-04-10, 14:35:21 (80.177.28.171)
1) Of course freezing using a domestic deep freezer is not freezing at cryogenic temperatures. 2) We introduced people to the freezing/slow defrost procedure using their domestic deep freezer for them .......
9: Re: Since no one has come out to say they disbelieve the Freeze Effect-does that mean it's accepted by everyone here? (5.20)
Posted by Posy Rorer on 2007-04-11, 08:54:10 (141.76.45.35)
morricab wrote: >>I suspected you meant normal freezing and not cryogenics but it is better to err on the side of caution. Brilliant. Did you surmise that all by yourself from the fact that I wrote, i .......
10: FWIW..... (5.07)
Posted by Todd Krieger on 2007-04-11, 00:50:58 (75.213.219.131)
I think cryogenic treatments of connectors, cables, switches, etc. do improve the sound. But the times I tried just putting items in the freezer didn't yield such result to a noticeable degree. This i .......
11: SImple question, requiring only a simple "yes" or "no" answer: (5.03)
Posted by robert young on 2007-04-14, 06:09:19 (69.200.95.127)
Are you stating that Meitner's use of cryogenic treatment is the same as Peter Belt's use of the "domestic deep freezer??" .......
12: "Ffreezing something in a typical home freezer will NOT produce any of the results cryogenic processing is noted for." ? (4.87)
Posted by clarkjohnsen on 2007-04-11, 12:50:12 (208.58.2.83)
Now *you're* making the assertions. Posy was just saying that home freezing should be tried, it worked for him. Cryoing is a different question, and by the way, thanks for the excellent post on it. cl .......
13: Re: Yo, Marvin.. (4.84)
Posted by jneutron on 2006-10-12, 06:20:39 (130.199.3.130)
jc: "" Jneutron, I am referring the the 'artificial politeness' demanded on 'diy.audio.com'. "" Ah, I see. It would help if you referred to another site when you speak about it. jc: "" Jneutron, I .......
14: Re: Cryogenic threshold temperature (4.74)
Posted by rick_m on 2007-04-15, 09:38:50 (75.93.5.22)
Interesting point. Not being a materials guy I turned to that source of all knowledge, Google. Although what I found was not very satisfying, in no case did I find reference to a threshold temperature .......
15: advertising blurbs (4.64)
Posted by clifff on 2007-04-11, 09:46:07 (84.12.243.186)
"This suggestion of yours falls short in light of the fact that tests done by Boeing/Sunstrand have demonstrated cryogenic processing extended the life of circuit boards in military applications, spec .......
16: RE: Begone, troll! Get thee to a library! (4.62)
Posted by geoffkait on 2023-01-17, 05:27:47 (98.169.214.23)
Silver even more than copper must be cryogenically treated to sound it's best. That's why so many high end cable manufacturers employ cryogenic treatment during the manufacturing process. A non cryo'd .......
17: Re: ALL cables are the same? (4.52)
Posted by twitch54 on 2006-10-25, 18:05:32 (69.242.81.142)
I trully believe most "level headed" people / audiophiles acccept the fact that there are differences in cabling (differences and the relationship between inductance, capacitance and resisitance). Wha .......
18: Re: Yo, Marvin.. (4.42)
Posted by john curl on 2006-10-11, 16:03:59 (24.7.86.40)
Jneutron, I am referring the the 'artificial politeness' demanded on 'diy.audio.com'. Sorry SY, that I had to make this explicit point to give him an answer. Jneutron, I don't find that you know more .......
19: It would be hard to hear the audio system over the (4.32)
Posted by Al Sekela on 2005-09-01, 09:47:58 (66.126.229.80)
refrigeration machinery or hissing of the boiling nitrogen. The apparatus to keep the cables cold would constrain the geometries severely. Superconductors still only work at cryogenic temperatures: li .......
20: Re: Heat treatment of mechanical components is a given. (4.31)
Posted by thetubeguy1954 on 2007-04-11, 09:21:42 (70.46.7.90)
Hello Clifff, I attempted to be somewhat objective on this issue. I'm not going to immediately naysay cryoing in audio. Personally I don't see it as being a large stretch to go from realizing that sin .......
21: Re: Interesting? (4.25)
Posted by Todd Krieger on 2003-05-21, 09:15:55 (129.239.26.4)
"That 'explanation' was made 31 years ago, because of observed results. It should be a good start. Better than what is presented here by the 'hear no difference' fraternity." I am one who tends to hea .......
22: Re: Since no one has come out to say they disbelieve the Freeze Effect-does that mean it's accepted by everyone here? (4.14)
Posted by morricab on 2007-04-11, 09:40:32 (196.3.50.254)
"No son, you're seriously confused. YOU are the one who said "the photo (in the freezer) is not a real and repeatable effect". " I never said this. As PatD has pointed out your the confused one, Son. .......
23: Re: Ok..now for some discussion.. (4.11)
Posted by jneutron on 2003-11-23, 07:47:38 (24.184.231.4)
Hi Steve... You may be correct...I am going back to the books to make sure I didn't put my foot in my mouth there..The cryogenic people who make the measurements and provide the charts we use in everd .......
24: One wonders how Dick Heyser would have felt about the following (4.02)
Posted by geoffkait on 2023-01-28, 06:02:44 (98.169.214.23)
Many AES long term members appear to have blinders on, I.e., "overly old school." AES is like a monument to objectivism. You could even say tombstone. 1. Wire and cable directionality. 2. The effect o .......
25: I See Civillity Is Wasted With You (4.01)
Posted by thetubeguy1954 on 2007-04-11, 10:35:24 (70.46.7.90)
Clifff, So much for expecting civility from you, oh well. You have this obsession with being sarcastic with those who don't agree with you 100% so I'll just state the facts and stop trying to be civil .......
26: Re: Ok..now for some discussion.. (4.00)
Posted by Steve Eddy on 2003-11-23, 08:44:05 (205.162.100.130)
You may be correct...I am going back to the books to make sure I didn't put my foot in my mouth there..The cryogenic people who make the measurements and provide the charts we use in everday work did .......
27: Re: Frostbite Falls Audio inc (3.86)
Posted by May Belt on 2007-04-18, 07:00:24 (80.177.28.171)
The paragraphs (from a magazine article in 1983) I quoted from were to show both that the controversy regarding directionality is still going on (in fact it resurfaced again late last year in Hi Fi Ne .......
28: Ever take an ice plunge... (3.81)
Posted by dBe on 2002-11-29, 08:52:57 (216.148.246.70)
after a sauna? I thought some of my best parts would fall off! Cryogenic treatment is a process that is different for every material. Some materials 'like' a thermal shock... stellites and the like. M .......
29: Re: Does anyone know what a cryo chamber looks like? (3.79)
Posted by Leisure7 on 2003-05-03, 10:22:00 (66.126.231.9)
Visualize a giant Thermos bottle. The cryo chamber has to be very well insulated to allow liquid nitrogen to stay liquid. Actually, these days, the chambers are more likely to be made of stainless ste .......
30: Re: You're still confused, newcomer! (3.73)
Posted by morricab on 2007-04-11, 05:42:31 (196.3.50.254)
"You did cryo tests, right? Same principle." Normal freezer temperatures do not have the same effect as cryogenic treatment. It is well documented that the behavior of materials at extremely low tempe .......
31: Ummmm John?? (3.72)
Posted by jneutron on 2003-08-06, 10:25:53 (130.199.3.22)
That's the same ad hype stuff from the origional link..the only difference is he mentions -300 degree superconductors...I thought the white paper was going to have something more than the ad hype I al .......
32: Some interesting replies. (3.70)
Posted by May Belt on 2007-04-17, 02:50:57 (80.177.28.171)
Positive Feedback Online sent questionnaires to quite a number of manufacturers and are beginning to publish the replies - see the current edition online. I have given below some manufacturers specifi .......
33: Agreed... (3.66)
Posted by Todd Krieger on 2004-02-17, 11:14:28 (216.190.249.12)
I also think this is why the tech boards have been so sparse in recent time. I don't post here because when the flame wars start, nobody can distinguish which side is what... (I actually enjoy this wi .......
34: This is one reason you get ridiculed (3.62)
Posted by Analog Scott on 2007-04-15, 10:04:45 (207.200.116.196)
"What I am trying to point out is that if EITHER freezing technique alters the 'sound' then the WHOLE freezing issue should be and should have been investigated by the entire audio industry - not jus .......
35: cryo'd resistors (3.58)
Posted by jneutron on 2003-05-28, 13:46:11 (130.199.3.22)
I'm currently using Dale P/N RW 67V 201 5 watt wirewound resistors for cryogenic use.. I'm interested in finding a lower power resistor, say 2 watts, 200 ohm, still wirewound... Anybody have any exper .......
36: Why is the onus on us to disprove it for you? (3.52)
Posted by Presto on 2007-04-10, 12:11:35 (207.216.246.51)
>>>I'm curious to know how many here simply don't believe it, and if it's yet another idea that Prop Headers would rip to shreds, arguing "it cant posssibly work because". My inclination to disbelieve .......
37: A cheap test (3.50)
Posted by rnhood on 2002-11-26, 03:37:30 (24.136.238.251)
Not as cold as liquid nitrogen but, its getting close. Discharge a CO2 extinguisher into a cooler with one of your cables inside, or interconnects. Pick your soak time but anything over a couple minut .......
38: Re: OK,....uh ... sorry to interupt, but what websites, please.... (3.49)
Posted by jneutron on 2004-03-26, 07:29:06 (130.199.3.22)
Hi Slope...you're always welcome to interrupt http://www.bnl.gov/magnets/BEPCII/Overview.asp http://www.bnl.gov/magnets/Linear_Collider/Magnet_Construction.asp http://www.bnl.gov/magnets/J-PARC_Correc .......
39: Re: Are you talk about Cryogenics or frige freeze tweaking ????? (3.48)
Posted by Posy Rorer on 2007-04-10, 10:32:55 (141.76.45.34)
cheap-Jack wrote: >>Does this tweak work??? Yes!!!!! >>I found the sonic improvement, if any, was pretty subtle provided that you have a very revealing sound system. Right. Yet non-audiophiles have do .......
40: relatively speaking. (3.48)
Posted by jneutron on 2006-06-12, 08:22:03 (130.199.3.130)
Actually, finding microvolt level signals in a magnet with 10 kiloamps running through and peak fields of 5 to 10 Tesla, is a rather strange combination of high power and low noise, low level signal c .......
41: If you could point me to some explanation by the manufacturer... (3.40)
Posted by B. King on 2005-03-26, 09:55:20 (67.115.8.55)
...of how this miraculous device works, I would gladly read it. I can't find anything on the website. As for the hocus pocus aspect, that's pretty self-evident by what I've seen so far. Then again, to .......
42: Well, John, speaking only for myself, (3.30)
Posted by Al Sekela on 2005-03-31, 15:50:16 (66.126.231.55)
who takes delight in effective but nonobvious audio tweaks, this controversy has shown me just how feeble the whole subjective, open-minded approach can be if divorced from physical reality. To do wha .......
43: Questions 2 and 5 are related (3.28)
Posted by John Marks on 2022-02-27, 07:57:51 (100.40.114.211)
Cable direction matters because of the extrusion process by which metal stock gets pulled or drawn into wire. Most people know that the hair on violin bows is from horse tails. Very few people know th .......
44: Re: Audio Precision type 2 measurement system. (3.26)
Posted by jneutron on 2003-08-11, 06:39:02 (130.199.3.22)
As slope has pointed out correctly, I have dismissed no-one..you have incorrectly read my posting... ""Also, this spec refers to short term stability, not long term stability, and is primarily related .......
45: Does Cryoing Work For Everything But Audio? (3.24)
Posted by thetubeguy1954 on 2007-04-11, 07:18:34 (70.46.7.90)
Hello Posy, You've hit upon yet one more topic most of the strictly scientifically oriented, measurement/specificationist aka "objectivitsts" will poo-poo as being an unproven idea. Before discussing .......
46: RE: The Real Belief System Exposed............. (3.21)
Posted by gymwear5@hotmail.com on 2009-08-14, 19:20:38 (68.158.37.61)
My observation is that this part of the hi-fi world did not exist in the early days of hi-fi. In the 50's hi-fi was a hobbyist's world. In the 60's it belonged to the engineers, JBL, Bose, McIntosh, S .......
47: Re: resistor cryo screening update (3.21)
Posted by jneutron on 2003-07-11, 06:22:30 (130.199.3.22)
I posted the info because previously I had asked if anybody has experience with the reliability of these types of resistors through cryo temperatures. Figured somebody might find the info useful. The .......
48: Re: Aura bass shakers. (3.12)
Posted by jneutron on 2004-02-06, 07:00:58 (130.199.3.22)
I had the four mounted to a 3/4 inch thick slab of aluminum, about 14 inches square. The set is heavy enough that the peak value of the sine excitation force of the shakers does not exceed the weight .......
49: Logical fallacy (3.11)
Posted by geoffkait on 2022-11-23, 13:24:57 (98.169.214.23)
No, it's not at all like that. It's just a reality you are just being stubborn about accepting. It's the same thing as a lot of preposterous sounding ideas in this audio hobby. Since you have no exper .......
50: Re: SImple question, requiring only a simple "yes" or "no" answer: (3.10)
Posted by May Belt on 2007-04-14, 10:26:36 (80.177.28.171)
I cannot give you a simple answer because you asking the question in the first place shows that you are not fully understanding the issue. I do not state that Peter's use of the domestic deep freezer .......
51: Thank you for the reply, May, but... (2.97)
Posted by robert young on 2007-04-14, 11:35:54 (207.88.135.146)
the fact that I asked the question has nothing to do with "not fully understanding the issue" at all. On the contrary, as a fence-sitter in the subjective/objective squabbles, I understand far more th .......
52: Are you talk about Cryogenics or frige freeze tweaking ????? (2.90)
Posted by cheap-Jack on 2007-04-10, 09:00:57 (69.156.196.162)
Hi. These are two total different animals, my friend. Cryoenics is a branch of physics (or engineering) that studies the production of very low temperatures (below -150C, or -238F or 123K) & the behav .......
53: From a purely scientific standpoint... (2.68)
Posted by Jim Austin on 2006-02-10, 07:10:14 (70.16.65.101)
...it makes little sense. My credentials: Ph.D. in materials physics, and a Ph.D. mentor who earned his reputation working on the quenching of metals. Here's the problem: While it's true, as the artic .......
54: Re: Pinging cheap-Jack: Morricab would like a word with you. (2.46)
Posted by morricab on 2007-04-11, 16:01:19 (84.73.115.169)
"This clown even calls me his "pal"!" Ahem...him calling you "pal" wasn't really his way of trying to make friends with you but you seemed to take it this way. He was not really presuming anything wit .......
55: Pinging cheap-Jack: Morricab would like a word with you. (2.45)
Posted by Posy Rorer on 2007-04-11, 10:46:23 (67.68.31.23)
>>>You did cryo tests, right? Same principle." >>Normal freezer temperatures do not have the same effect as cryogenic treatment. It is well documented that the behavior of materials at .. Okay, I'm g .......
56: Re: No. I have no argument with Hummel's derivation..Just your methods. (2.29)
Posted by John Escallier on 2003-02-28, 11:56:32 (130.199.3.16)
As for SE,,,I've stated before..I only have a 6 month snapshot upon which to evaluate. For electrons...Kittel seems to provide a better insight into the model.. He points out that QM prevents continuo .......
57: RE: Your Brain & Music ---A Neurologist's Point of View (2.27)
Posted by May Belt on 2008-01-21, 12:32:39 (80.177.28.171)
>>> "It seems a little tweaky to assume there aren't valid scientific reasons for what we hear" Of course there ARE valid scientific reasons for what we hear but for the scientists who you, Ugly, pu .......
58: I sorta 'admire' your persistance. (2.13)
Posted by cheap-Jack on 2007-04-16, 11:38:37 (69.156.196.162)
Hi. Let me repeat again, domestic freezing is NOT cryogenic (-180C). They don't tie together. My repeated experiences always proved it. You quote on EMM Lab & whatever is moot. Only at low low subzero .......
59: Re: "All [John Curl] seems to do is whine, drop names, brag..." LOL! (2.10)
Posted by jneutron on 2003-10-01, 09:06:03 (130.199.3.3)
John Curl: ""Jneutron, when I need to wind a coil and I get into problems, I will come to you,"" I actuality, I designed the 11 axis winding machine, all the electronics, all the software, all the pr .......
60: Hi Steve (2.01)
Posted by John Escallier on 2003-04-15, 06:33:36 (130.199.3.22)
Built a superconducting magnet prototype..Dipole field, destined for use in a 4 Tesla MRI solenoidal field. Requirements for the magnet are operation at about 50-75 hz, up to about 500 amps, and needs .......
61: Re: what exactly is peter belt selling? (1.96)
Posted by May Belt on 2007-04-14, 02:14:41 (80.177.28.171)
The rules of Audio Asylum for manufacturers is that we have right of reply but are not allowed to promote our products or services. So, my reply will have to be in a general form. As my reply will a .......
62: Re: Ok..now for some discussion.. (1.78)
Posted by chris_w on 2003-11-23, 05:51:32 (81.77.142.13)
I should have said that the electron is not the SIGNAL carrier, and the charge on the individual electrons at an instantaneous point is not the signal carrier. "Current is actually defined as movement .......
63: Re: Seebeck/peltier... (1.78)
Posted by jneutron on 2003-08-23, 09:01:31 (24.190.112.47)
""I am not going to put up with this crap, anymore.""JC What crap? you have avoided a technical discussion of any kind.. ""Jneutron, if you have ANY possible evidence that the 'Seebeck Effect' could h .......
64: had a bit of time to kill ..so a few comments.. (1.42)
Posted by jneutron on 2004-11-02, 08:16:51 (130.199.3.22)
JR: ""First, to set the record straight, you did enter the discussions at AR with a technochip on the shoulder. Power cords were not an issue. You basically agreed with most of what the naysayers sai .......
65: RE: Not relevant unless you are seeing *real* researchers with this attitude. (1.37)
Posted by May Belt on 2008-01-23, 09:44:39 (80.177.28.171)
Referring to your reply to Wellfed. >>> "If you are surrounding yourself with true proffesionals and still seeing this then see my second reply to May below. I have an opinion about this type that I d .......
66: Presto, stop trolling. (1.28)
Posted by Posy Rorer on 2007-04-11, 12:51:35 (141.76.45.34)
>>My inclination to disbelieve that it works is not unjustified since nobody suggesting this tweak will ever provide any technical or scientific reasoning as to why it would make ANY difference whats .......
Found 1 records in Radio Road.
1: Re: leaving tubes on constan6tly is a 'good' idea (4.30)
Posted by timothywas1@comcast.net on 2006-05-07, 05:20:08 (71.194.78.101)
Right on "Timbo in oz" as thats the technically correct assesment, as it stands whenever I power up the tuner fully from remote control I always hear a slight double clicking noise and Im quite sure i .......
Found 1 records in Shady Lane.
1: Re: Oyaide AC plugs on W&M cables are fake.. (1.98)
Posted by Jim N. on 2006-08-13, 17:33:28 (65.170.173.19)
W & M and Seduction are one in the same. I've bought cords from both and the return address was the same. They used to advertise Oyaide connectors for them. They're not bad cords at all. The shipping .......
Found 8 records in Speaker Asylum.
1: Cryogenic crossovers. (7.92)
Posted by Firebird on 2005-07-13, 09:11:46 (216.60.165.206)
Wow! it is fairly laborious. I first thought 'freeze-drying' sounded a little gimmicky, but the response seems very favorable. This is the first time I have heard of cryogenically freezing particular .......
2: Merlin TSM (used) (7.92)
Posted by DKL on 2007-07-04, 20:18:02 (70.119.120.73)
highly recommend going with a used set of Merlin TSM monitors. There are several generations to choose from, going back 10 years to the originals, and progressing to the "SE" (special edition), "M" (M .......
3: How many left you say? (6.21)
Posted by Danny on 2002-07-31, 14:49:55 (66.119.33.135)
I have 16 tweeters left un-used (8 more kits). I have 12 Black painted Oak enclosures left (6 pair). I have one pair of Oak enclosure that have been stained in a light Reddish stain with clear coat. $ .......
4: Re: A fair comparison: (5.45)
Posted by Bobby Palkovic on 2004-11-17, 08:59:47 (24.213.210.11)
thanks ian, but even more to the point is that the orginal price of the vsm at $4500 was a very basic version and did not include the bam. we also made it perfectly clear that this was a very limited .......
5: Re: why the anger...and address his points.. (3.78)
Posted by Bobby Palkovic on 2004-11-18, 07:04:34 (205.188.116.7)
magpie, wanted to make sure you saw this. but even more to the point is that the orginal price of the vsm at $4500 was a very basic version and did not include the bam. we also made it perfectly clear .......
6: It's possible that older ears... (3.74)
Posted by Doug Schroeder on 2006-01-06, 19:27:51 (72.131.17.99)
and older components might sabotage an attempt at improving nuances by changing wiring. I'm guessing that in 30 years, when I'm 72, I won't care much which cable is used. How old is your gear? 20-30 y .......
7: RE: kef c45 questions (3.28)
Posted by Paul_G on 2012-01-23, 16:21:18 (81.183.108.212)
Yeah, it is a very late reply to this question but I consider the really weak info available on the net about these really great 'speakers I can pass my own addition. Currently having a pair in my mai .......
8: Audio Charity Auctions closing today..... (2.79)
Posted by Rod M on 2001-09-24, 08:20:45 (204.94.81.82)
Check out all this cool stuff! Bid totals for the event are now over $103K. Thank you all! Charity Auctions: Ending Today Bid Ends Plinius 8200 Integrated .......
Found 5 records in High Efficiency Speaker Asylum.
1: Bzzt! Gotcha! (6.46)
Posted by Brian Walsh on 2003-01-02, 23:37:39 (64.81.150.121)
...surrounded by a 4 inch tube of liquid nitrigen held at 3 degrees kelvin. Any cryogenic expert knows that nitrogen freezes well above 3 deg. K. I'm pretty sure helium is in a liquid phase at 3 deg. .......
2: Re: Sterling Silver vs. Copper (6.46)
Posted by Thatch_Ear on 2001-09-26, 21:23:17 (209.245.229.61)
The best I have listened to but not heard were made by Dennis Boyle out of (I hope I remember it right)the thinnest made continuous cast cryogenic treated oxygen free copper. The RCA plugs were Vampir .......
3: Altec A7-500 / 2a3 amp speaker cable dilemma. (6.22)
Posted by Conductor on 2003-05-09, 12:44:07 (12.221.58.142)
Please help me decide. In trying to squeeze out the most magic that I can from my Altec/2a3 system, I am turning my attention to the speaker cables. I think I am either going to have my Audiquest type .......
4: Re: Audiophile listening cap (5.09)
Posted by weltersys on 2005-12-29, 22:43:41 (172.191.140.249)
After initial construction of the T.B listening hat, made the improvements suggested by T.S., then made the upgrade suggested by eso. However, after much more design consideration, I radiused the Mpin .......
5: Re: Another FWIW (5.06)
Posted by jneutron on 2006-02-01, 10:29:56 (130.199.3.3)
Earl Geddes: "" For reliability its usually held that soldering is not a good idea. Especially for high current applications. That's because the different metals in the solder can migrate with the cur .......
Found 22 records in Planar Speaker Asylum.
1: Cryogenic Treatment or Dry Ice? (11.43)
Posted by Wade J on 2003-10-19, 08:31:53 (65.32.208.71)
Can some ppl give there input on this subject? I recently had my Cables Double Dipped in Dry Ice "sub 90Degrees" And Stan Warren said I should dip all my electronics in Dry Ice because it Freezes the .......
2: Re: Cryogenic Treatment or Dry Ice? (11.43)
Posted by morricab on 2003-10-20, 04:27:16 (196.3.50.254)
Well dry ice is frozen CO2 and maybe the CO2 displaces oxygen inside the cable jacket. However, this would eventually diffuse out and be replaced by normal air (which is about 20% oxygen). Ideally a c .......
3: Re: Cryogenic Treatment or Dry Ice? (9.13)
Posted by Wade J on 2003-10-19, 19:55:48 (65.32.208.71)
Thanks for the input guys. .......
4: Re: A Cryogenic Treated Silver Plated Fuse Holder is...... (8.01)
Posted by Green Lantern on 2003-04-13, 10:37:10 (68.101.206.167)
thanks for the info. I think that's where I saw them. Also that's eight bucks I'd be willing to spend! good listening- GL .......
5: RE: nice news but still too upscale for me. (7.49)
Posted by DrChaos on 2011-01-09, 18:35:55 (165.109.1.240)
The successor is obviously the "Mini Maggie". But apparently it's in cryogenic storage in The Warehouse sleeping soundly along with a gray alien corpse, the Ark, Dick Cheney's conscience, and Jimmy .......
6: Re: If it were just me (6.98)
Posted by pturn on 2003-11-03, 09:15:02 (68.166.171.178)
I'm going to do it, just ordered up some Augat switches w/ solid silver contacts from welborne and 2 of those cryogenic silver plated fuse holders from ACME. Also plan to re-wire using 18 guage teflon .......
7: RE: Magna Riser Stands (6.38)
Posted by zomax on 2019-02-24, 11:55:05 (100.37.162.131)
Actually, I was asking about the cryogenic jumpers Magnarisers includes with the stands to replace the u-bar. Seriously considered Mye stands based on the positive feedback here. Just could not justif .......
8: Re: Does replacing the steel jumpers really make a differece?? (6.34)
Posted by Marc Bratton on 2003-06-27, 20:34:53 (63.184.97.17)
It's pot metal JUNK, and you should hear a substantial cleaning up of things in the treble if you bypass them. Of course, you may want to make provisions to fuse the tweeters, but there are tweako fus .......
9: Re: Cryogenic Treatment or Dry Ice? (6.25)
Posted by tireguy on 2003-10-19, 10:43:35 (24.194.219.87)
I think Stan Warren is a genius but I do not agree with him about the dry ice. Cryogenically treating metal makes a difference on how the molecules align themselves, which benefits the metal in more t .......
10: A Cryogenic Treated Silver Plated Fuse Holder is...... (6.11)
Posted by Jerry P on 2003-04-13, 07:57:11 (12.87.130.87)
available from Acme Audio Labs. Sony SCD-777ES >> Silver Audio SB 4.0 >> AI M3A >> Silver Audio Hyacinth >> Odyssey Stratos >> Tice 416A Bi-wire >> MG 1.6QR .......
11: Re: Cryogenic Treatment or Dry Ice? (5.97)
Posted by Brian Walsh on 2003-10-19, 16:15:21 (64.81.150.121)
Dry ice works about as well as cryo for the short term, but the effect wears off. Cryo is permanent. In the case of older equipment, I don't recommend cryo. If you're not certain whether cryo will hel .......
12: the BC86 renders a sound akin to the vivid southness of cryogenic cables (5.85)
Posted by Mart on 2002-09-28, 21:50:50 (198.26.119.85)
I don't know if that helps but I'll put it out for your perusal. I haven't tried your stuff. Maybe it'll help you decide. However, like I said, I use 3. One is audible & additive. OTOH, each successiv .......
13: SOUNDLAB U-1 ELECTROSTATICS (5.56)
Posted by stator_99@yahoo.com on 2003-08-27, 23:26:07 (209.173.162.162)
I OWN A PAIR OF SOUNDLAB U-1 ELECTROSTATIC SPEAKERS, I AM QUITE SATISFIED WITH THESE BUT WAS WONDERING IF ANYONE HAS TRIED " TWEAKING " THESE FOR ENHANCED PERFORMANCE? ONE THING I HAVE DONE WITH TREME .......
14: RE: Quad; guts of glory (5.52)
Posted by Daniel on 2007-11-03, 11:09:31 (88.106.165.226)
Ah, sorry, don't think I was clear enough in my post...was hoping you could describe the gains, somehow (I know this can be hard to do). Max Townshend has tried to convince me a few times about cryoge .......
15: don't know about MK3s, but own 4 original BC:86s (5.41)
Posted by Mart on 2004-05-06, 23:19:17 (140.153.25.27)
They dwarf the other passive filters I've tried something awesome, but I hear good reports about Jerry Ramsey's Stealth. The Noise-Hounds exhibit a cryogenic "sound" if you know what I mean. It makes .......
16: if you're modifying things ... (5.09)
Posted by Mart on 2002-04-16, 21:06:33 (198.26.119.84)
... and you have a single source (eg: SACD player), why not install the passive preamp in the player along with the tubes you already want? Then, you've eliminated sonic degradation from jacks & inter .......
17: Not the same thing (4.95)
Posted by morricab on 2003-10-20, 04:47:56 (196.3.50.254)
Submersing electronics in liquid nitrogen to lower the noise floor is different than having cables submerged and then brought back up to room temperature. By submerging electronics you lower the noise .......
18: RE: Magneplanar MG2B strange resistivity (4.62)
Posted by marcob on 2014-09-03, 13:06:42 (80.183.3.105)
Quite the same years of mine... I bought them used from a crazy guy that lets them connected all the day long to a transistor radio when he didn't listen... "to maintain a dynamic mylar" :) And I can' .......
19: RE: You're right - I'd forgotten they were monos! (4.60)
Posted by Neuro on 2008-11-24, 14:24:04 (65.57.245.11)
I actually bought the Quicksilvers used on Audiogon. Here's the parts list from the upgrade: V-Cap TFTF Teflon film main coupling capacitors x8 pieces Mundorf Silver/Oil capacitors x4 pieces 4 pieces .......
20: The 3.7"i" mystery solved; DIY alternative applicable to other Maggies also! (4.35)
Posted by JBen on 2014-04-01, 11:26:52 (69.65.66.188)
The first hints came from folks near the Magnepan factory who reported seeing odd-looking giant boxes being installed near the warehouse exits, close to the loading ramps. This was months ago and had .......
21: Amplifier allocation in a triamp setup? Thoughts... (3.68)
Posted by Neuro on 2009-08-04, 23:14:13 (70.132.5.200)
I have four Quicksilver V4 monoblock amplifiers for driving the midrange and ribbons on my 3.6s. Two of them have been upgraded by Response Audio with V-Cap TFTF Teflon film main coupling capacitors .......
22: Magneplanar 20.1R * versus * Kharma CRM 3.2 FE (3.58)
Posted by DkB on 2006-05-30, 18:18:46 (202.156.6.68)
I'm in the final stages of deciding upon a Kharma CRM 3.2 FE but am still entertaining a last-ditch attempt to get an MG 20.1R instead. Although the Kharma at $21,000 costs nearly $10,000 more than a .......
Found 3 records in Tape Trail.
1: The caption should read, "Cryogenic treatments; you're doing it wrong..." nt (6.73)
Posted by Dman on 2015-02-11, 05:51:59 (174.79.200.235)
nt .......
2: RE: freezing? (6.73)
Posted by geoffkait on 2020-10-27, 13:59:05 (174.244.242.9)
What is the value of freezing media? It is proves sound quality. I'm not saying it's the equal of cryogenic treatment but it's quite good, especially considering the convenience and cost. All thermody .......
3: RE: freezing? (6.67)
Posted by geoffkait on 2020-10-27, 14:54:48 (98.169.214.23)
Freezing media or anything is an irreversible process in the sense that the effects are irreversible. Better? The effects are not (rpt not) Temporary. Just like effects from cryogenic treatment are ir .......
Found 80 records in Tubes Asylum.
1: Cryogenic treated vacuum tube (9.57)
Posted by zzxzzy on 2007-04-21, 03:02:36 (203.223.219.121)
Dear All, Is there any good/bad for Cryogenic treated vacuum tube? Thanks! ZZXZZY .......
2: Home made cryogenic treatment for tubes... (9.57)
Posted by Aldovan on 2005-01-17, 16:25:38 (200.140.23.219)
I will make a cryogenic treatment in some 12AX7 and 5751 tubes in my house. I have the recipient with nitrogen liquid for the process. But I have a doubt : How many hours is necessary imerse the tubes .......
3: RE: Black Sable EL34 (9.22)
Posted by Marc Almirall on 2010-03-13, 13:08:17 (72.220.173.73)
I don't believe the testing and grading is any different with the Black Sable's as opposed to Tube Depot's regular matched tubes. Testing and grading are done after the tubes have undergone the cryoge .......
4: Cryo is short for cryogenic (9.02)
Posted by Mark Kelly on 2002-10-08, 19:32:09 (203.51.147.47)
From the Greek KRYOS (icy cold) plus -genic (producing). Cryogenic treatment is the process of deep freezing an object such as a V/T. It is believed by its adherents to result in a beneficial change i .......
5: RE: Tubes! To Cryo Or Not To Cryo? That's The Question! (8.85)
Posted by Jim McShane on 2010-01-18, 13:17:07 (71.194.241.37)
I don't think you can question cryogenic metal treatment per se. It's clear that properly done it can make a positive difference. I think the question is whether the benefits of cryo are of any conseq .......
6: 6H30 w/Cryogenic - Any Benefit (8.04)
Posted by Charlie8521 on 2013-12-14, 11:23:23 (99.8.82.107)
Just bought a used ARC LS17. Waiting for it to arrive. Needed a remote feature and hoping it will outperform my dated but nice AGI 511. Because it is used I thought I might consider replacing the tube .......
7: RE: 6H30 w/Cryogenic - Any Benefit (8.01)
Posted by Michael Samra on 2013-12-15, 19:43:35 (97.84.194.114)
Jerry If you listen to Kevin Deal from Upscale audio,he doesn't really say one way or the other whether cryo treating is better or not.He just says that some of his customers ask for it. I use cryo .......
8: RE: Cryogenically treated vacuum tubes... (7.86)
Posted by posbwp55@msn.com on 2010-08-09, 01:23:10 (69.244.95.77)
I am a machinist. One of the most common uses of cryogenic treatment is for cutting tools (Carbide, HSS steel, etc.). My understanding is that cryogenic treatment changes the structure at the molecula .......
9: RE: Urban myth. It does nothing, especially compared with cryoing. (7.68)
Posted by Mechans on 2011-10-06, 07:14:50 (174.62.164.118)
In wonder though what is the standard that defines cryogenic treatment of tubes. I have not understood or heard anything like a way to ensure that the treatment has definitely occured. For example, ex .......
10: RE: Don't forget the chocolate frosting! - Plus a silly thermodynamic query (7.52)
Posted by unclestu52 on 2007-06-01, 13:10:35 (63.16.55.215)
Cryo and heat treatment are not the antithesis it may appear to be. They are simply addressing different aspects of tube construction and the nature of tube operation. I've been experimenting with bak .......
11: 12AX7 octal sub, Cryogenic tubes??Bill Perkins?? (7.41)
Posted by ChristopherC on 1999-08-07, 09:34:10 (207.148.138.154)
Hello, For a 12AX7 sub/octal I've heard to use 6SL7, I've looked at the specs and I wonder why people say these are equivalent..but I fd another sub 6SQ7, at DEJA.COM ... http://www.deja.com/home_ps.s .......
12: Cryogenic 6H30s [mini review] (7.33)
Posted by Jeff Starr on 2016-09-20, 14:30:36 (24.167.222.192)
I posted a while back on the great service I got from Cryoset. I had heard mixed reports on the benefits of cryogenic tubes. A local dealer had claimed a customer had some tubes done, and they sounded .......
13: Re: sound of rectifiers (7.13)
Posted by Will48 on 2005-11-25, 11:53:20 (88.105.217.57)
Which is perhaps the reason why Cryogenic treatment is all the rage at the moment, as this is supposed to have the same age stabilising effect. .......
14: RE: 6H30 w/Cryogenic - Any Benefit (6.70)
Posted by Iain42 on 2013-12-15, 11:53:14 (67.162.196.44)
I find it difficult to take businesses serious that offer cryo treatment. I gotta call shenanigans. .......
15: RE: 6H30 w/Cryogenic - Any Benefit (6.63)
Posted by Charlie8521 on 2013-12-15, 12:51:56 (99.8.82.107)
JNS and Iain42, thank you both for your inputs/thoughts. Merry Christmas Charlie8521 .......
16: Re: Cryogenics (6.56)
Posted by TnT on 2001-04-12, 12:14:20 (32.102.144.240)
Can't comment on the results of cryogenic stuff. Just want to say that the musicians are no less gullible then the audiophiles. Some are now into exotic cables and many are into these exotic cap upgra .......
17: RE: Cryogenically treated vacuum tubes... (6.51)
Posted by SeveBC on 2010-08-09, 10:29:31 (188.222.201.208)
If you are in the market for cryogenically treated valves both NOS and current production (I use them in my guitar amps and recording equipment) another excellent company is Watford Valves UK http://w .......
18: cyrogenic outfit recommendations (6.47)
Posted by mike1127 on 2013-05-31, 16:57:37 (99.59.2.101)
I'd like to get some recommendations on cryogenic treatment places, particularly ones that have a small minimum order or only charge by the part (because I won't have many parts to treat at first). M .......
19: RE: 6H30 w/Cryogenic - Any Benefit (6.42)
Posted by JNS on 2013-12-14, 15:27:11 (50.83.134.124)
You might want to check the archives as this issue has been discussed before. My opinion is that this is nonsense but my experience with cryoed tubes is somewhat limited. Most of clients arent believe .......
20: RE: Cryo'ed Tesla 6922 noisy all of a sudden (6.39)
Posted by Palustris on 2012-05-07, 08:56:05 (107.3.126.145)
"Is that the Cryo wearing off?" Maybe it is the long term damage that is a result of the cryogenic treatment that is manifesting itself.... .......
21: Re: Home made cryogenic treatment for tubes... (6.31)
Posted by Aurum on 2005-01-18, 00:02:58 (61.68.139.205)
Agreed! The home process will only result in thermal shock to the tubes. regards Ian .......
22: NASA uses it because (6.24)
Posted by sser2 on 2008-08-01, 11:36:18 (128.125.179.129)
the equipment they use works at cryogenic temperatures. They want to make sure that there will be no failure when equipment is exposed to ultra-low temperatures of the outer space. .......
23: Re: Home made cryogenic treatment for tubes... (6.20)
Posted by Mike B. on 2005-01-17, 16:34:00 (168.103.48.194)
You don't want to submerse the tubes into LN. The proper way is to have a experienced cryogenics provider do them. They will have a computer controlled system that slowly drops the temperature down an .......
24: Dry ice is not .... (5.98)
Posted by steve jones on 2001-09-26, 14:04:32 (4.54.83.112)
..a "cryogenic" treatment. No matter what differences (and I'm not disputing that) you may have heard. If you need a mechanism to attach to the perceived change in sonics, may I suggest that you find .......
25: Can cryogenic tyreatment of noisy/microphonic tubes quiet them? (5.92)
Posted by posbwp55@msn.com on 2008-12-14, 20:40:48 (138.88.83.170)
I have a bunch of noisy /microphonic 6922 pinched waist tubes that I would like to treat cryogenically if this has the prospect of qieting them. Anyone that has tried this please comment. Bart ::: TOP .......
26: Re: Is there a good source of NOS tubes that also does cryoing? (5.85)
Posted by Starchild on 2006-02-26, 14:20:02 (205.188.116.66)
Bill Perkins at Pearl used to allow you to send your tubes in for cryogenic freezing. This is the company that sales the Pearl Cryovalves. You can reach them via e-mail @ custserv@pearl-hifi.com. Mike .......
27: Re: And they call me a crack pot (5.84)
Posted by g on 2004-06-20, 08:54:35 (24.247.132.215)
A silly product, based on real science. There is indeed a slight piezoelectric effect in some SS parts, which if dampened would improve sound. This crap won't do it. More important is the fact that PC .......
28: Re: Comments/Opinions on Tube World Inc. (5.69)
Posted by setriode on 2002-01-01, 18:46:42 (203.59.131.21)
I have ordered from Brendan on 3 occasions over the course of about 3 years. He is knowledgeable and very forthcoming on the characteristics and availability of tubes. I agree his prices are usually h .......
29: Cryo-treated Tubes - Opinions Welcome (5.68)
Posted by nblimfark on 2006-11-28, 11:10:48 (164.44.67.4)
I'm a rookie tube amp owner (Heathkit SA-2) and during my education have come across GZ34 Sovtek rectifiers that have reportedly been cryogenically treated. Whether they have or not is another story. .......
30: Sophia 6SN7 (5.68)
Posted by stator_99@yahoo.com on 2015-08-18, 15:51:57 (166.170.0.79)
In the near future I am going to purchase an Oppo 105 D and have it modded by modwright, from what I understand modwright suggests upgrading the 6SN7 tubes to those offered by Sophia, just curious hav .......
31: Re: What specifically are you looking for? (5.62)
Posted by ChristopherC on 1999-08-09, 20:55:24 (207.148.142.217)
Hello, The schematic looks simple enough for my first DIY amp (not too many parts & I've got the tubes to build it with miniatures Or octals/looks easy to work on & simple). Also the 6BM8 SE amp at th .......
32: Huh? (5.62)
Posted by Norm on 2003-01-27, 06:13:15 (4.3.168.40)
Molecules do not expand with heat. In a gas they expand dramatically as they move about more. All of this, however, has nothing to do with whether cryogenic treatment helps tubes. I have never had the .......
33: Re: An interesting article on cryogenics (5.57)
Posted by Gregory Bartlett on 2001-12-27, 09:35:45 (212.126.134.57)
I would like to point out that it was our company that performed the deep cryogenic material that was used in this article. As a follow-up you may want to check out Hi-Fi Choice magazine (UK), Novembe .......
34: Re: Cryogenic treated vacuum tube (5.49)
Posted by edisonwu on 2007-04-23, 02:29:14 (24.89.233.254)
most of comercial cryo tubes like PEARL's Cryovalve and Tubeworld's KUHL tube are highly selected and special treated by the dealrs before being soaked into liquid nitrogen. Cryogenics is just part of .......
35: Re: 12AX7 octal sub, Cryogenic tubes??Bill Perkins??also (5.43)
Posted by ChristopherC on 1999-08-07, 10:13:15 (207.148.138.154)
I'm looking at the 12AX7/ octal (6SL7 or two-6SQ7's) replacement for a DIY Amp http://sun1.maizuru-ct.ac.jp/control/machida/vamp/q5bsdsce.gif 12AX7,6FQ7,6AQ5 vs 6SL7 or(2-6SQ7),6SN7,6V6 .......
36: RE: Black Sable EL34 (5.43)
Posted by Marc Almirall on 2010-03-13, 14:50:10 (72.220.173.73)
I am probably not the best person to ask about the sonic merits of cryogenic tubes because I haven't used them. Maybe someone here has some hands on experience with them. I just know the matching and .......
37: RE: cryogenically treated tubes (long) (5.36)
Posted by unclestu52 on 2008-08-01, 11:18:56 (63.16.61.114)
Cryogenics is an interesting process and judging from responses very misunderstood. First in terms of differences in thermal expansion, the process properly done involves the slow descent of the tempe .......
38: Personal very biased opinion (5.26)
Posted by steven oda on 2003-05-31, 15:04:50 (24.205.18.246)
You can't beat a good tube rectifier with a cryogenic-treated aluminum baseball bat. If you can afford it----go for the best Mullards you can find. I was just thinking of alternatives. NB: Learn the s .......
39: Re: CRYO Tubes Where? & How Much? Anyone with experience? (5.24)
Posted by sherod on 2005-10-05, 19:22:36 (205.188.116.7)
I have had excellent results having had some outlets cryo'd by Locus Audio Design. The website is: www.cryo-parts.com Lee is the owner and has cryo'd many different things, from golf balls to audio .......
40: Harm to tubes from low temp. storage (5.23)
Posted by Francois G on 2006-12-29, 10:00:17 (129.229.32.164)
I have been storing several boxes of tubes in a heated room to "protect" them from the Midwest winter cold. But with Cryogenic treatment of tubes, supposed to improve tubes, it seems that tubes have n .......
41: RE: Cryo Treated (5.20)
Posted by waterfall on 2015-10-12, 09:29:47 (76.17.168.187)
Here are some comments from another debate I found. This guy is definitely a dummy, but admittedly sates he not a vacuum tube guy. He has some interesting points. "" Cryogenic treatment of metals is c .......
42: RE: Tubes! To Cryo Or Not To Cryo? That's The Question! (5.08)
Posted by warbird on 2010-01-31, 07:36:54 (173.16.22.176)
First, I will tell you that I own cryogenic processing companies. I am the co-chair of the ASM Cryogenic Processing Sub-Committee, and work closely with the Cryogenic Society of America. So I have bia .......
43: RE: What ever happened to cryo treated tubes? (5.08)
Posted by Steve O on 2014-04-03, 17:38:24 (108.67.99.189)
I don't believe cryogenic treatment of a vacuum tube does anything WRT "outgassing". The internals of properly mfgd receiving tube are heated to incandescence while on the vacuum pump. This process ca .......
44: Re: Cryogenics (5.03)
Posted by sidegetter on 2001-04-12, 09:59:15 (12.9.138.11)
I read the info on the Cryovac process. I wonder if the most of the sound improvements come from the cleaning of the pins as opposed to the cryogenic treating. I guess I am at a loss as to how the int .......
45: Re: DIY Cryo for tubes? (5.02)
Posted by R Browne on 2005-09-05, 11:09:38 (209.179.216.91)
Unfortunately I can't answer your question, but you may find some useful information in an interesting interview with Craig Goff of Kryophysics in the most recent issue of Positive Feedback online at .......
46: Try here. (5.01)
Posted by R Browne on 2010-01-01, 09:49:14 (68.164.117.233)
A page of EL84 tubes of which one of the selections may be what you are looking for. I placed an order for some Reflector 6N3C-E tubes from them a couple of days ago that I am expecting so I can not y .......
47: Re: Cryo/freeze NOS tubes (4.99)
Posted by geoffkait on 2002-08-12, 03:49:45 (66.44.55.170)
I've been sending off NOS tubes for years to have them cryo'd - no problem! I've even tossed 'em in the freezer when I didn't feel like waiting as it's usually a week turnaround from the crypo lab. If .......
48: what confuses me... (4.77)
Posted by mike1127 on 2013-05-31, 21:37:54 (99.59.2.101)
... is that thousands of people cryogenically treat their tubes and discuss how it affects performance and reliability. Recommendations like "lower the temp slowly"... of course! Any of these audio cr .......
49: Please Explain (4.69)
Posted by AudioTweaker on 2001-04-30, 15:09:12 (208.25.61.102)
As far as my knowledge goes, the thermal expansion coefficient of the metal pins in a tube is significantly different than it is for the glass bulb. My mind would suggest that the seal of the glass ar .......
50: Re: 5687 and 12au7's in my amp, I need some recommendations pleeze (4.62)
Posted by setriode on 2001-09-24, 00:08:17 (203.59.131.21)
I have pretty much the same configuration in my power amp except that I use 5814As instread of 12au7. The finest 5687's I have found are Cryo-Vac Raytheons from Tubeworld. They are absolutely outstand .......
51: Re: Cryogenically frozen tubes (4.56)
Posted by BFitz on 2001-09-26, 17:22:11 (24.29.58.37)
I toured the Pearl facilty couple times and have spent a lot of time talking to Bill Perkins. He has invested much R&D effort developing methods to control tube microphonics, and has what I would call .......
52: Re: Please Explain (4.51)
Posted by Harry on 2001-04-30, 17:36:06 (12.64.25.152)
Long ago years of research were done in order to find metal alloys that would have the same rate of expansion as the glass used in tubes. The glass to metal seal is fundamental to maintaining vacuum. .......
53: Re: Gosh, Bosh...... (4.49)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2003-01-27, 08:50:15 (24.221.101.222)
......while not a scientist in any real sense of the word, I have cryo'd (and double-cryo'd) a large assortment of cables, duplex receptacles, heavy-gauge in-wall wiring, certain passive AC line condi .......
54: I froze my Mpingo Discs last night...... (4.39)
Posted by Sidegetter on 2002-08-13, 05:12:55 (63.20.242.226)
Sorry, but I am failing to see what long term benefit freezing one's tubes in a refigerator freezer can accomplish. Maybe I could fathom the possibility using careful cryogenic technique (maybe), but .......
55: RE: Time to Change Tubes? (4.34)
Posted by SoundMike on 2010-05-24, 12:46:37 (200.169.132.19)
My CJ is heavily modded. Changes were made to power supply, internal vibration control and volume pot now has a remote control with outboard power supply and individual power conection. Also, terminat .......
56: RE: Cryo Treated (4.34)
Posted by TubeAcolyte on 2015-10-11, 23:56:46 (99.241.205.115)
It's unfortunately a supposedly-dead and beaten horse which never seems to die haha. Linked below is an interesting article on this topic (and a recent one, too.) To sum up the article, the author bel .......
57: Re: Metal 6L6 Tubes-Opinions? (4.31)
Posted by elektron on 2005-05-18, 10:25:20 (148.78.243.24)
Hmmm. I don't remember that one. Could be. I had the notion to try to build an entire amplifier sans tubes that could be run at the temperature of liquid Helium just to see what would happen. I was pa .......
58: Re: Cryogenics for tubes...etc (4.26)
Posted by tvr2500m on 2005-07-26, 17:01:36 (207.172.134.244)
I have some cryo'ed GE JAN 5751s done by Pearl. They're also selected for a number of other parameters like gm, current, and noise. I use 5751 in the voltage amplification position of my amplifiers. I .......
59: smooth sound and more (4.25)
Posted by elwstar on 2002-08-11, 21:26:13 (203.27.69.91)
The smoother sound is what I like most in that when I am in the mood I can turn the volume up way high without having my ears pierced by the splintering trebles. Makes short bursts of high volume list .......
60: Re: what's the deal with cryo? (4.16)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2003-03-08, 09:10:16 (24.221.101.222)
I just laugh at the guys who cryo the feet on their amps, then claim total transformation. While I haven't seen any posts suggesting the above, I'm not going to laugh at someone else's experience. Ho .......
61: ...not to add to your anxiety, but (4.13)
Posted by neilium on 1999-10-27, 19:02:05 (209.224.134.68)
...you're constantly aging, and it will affect your hearing. I think the only solution is cryogenic suspension between listening sessions:-) In my humble opinion, and everyone's free to disagree, tube .......
62: Silly good tube amp *update*...... (4.11)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2003-03-07, 16:35:22 (24.221.101.222)
After exactly one week of enjoying the hell out of the S-5 amp kit, I decided to have the tubes deep-cryo treated, as the results on all my other tubes have been excellent. Then, I said...."what the h .......
63: Re: betrayed (4.07)
Posted by Chris Spafford on 2001-12-26, 09:57:11 (208.166.133.221)
Apparently STONE DEAF or commercially motivated gurus-- Mullard, Telefunken, Western Electric tubes are manna from heaven and can bring mediocre gear to new heights and allow great gear to open a wind .......
64: Somogyi Effect (4.02)
Posted by steven oda on 2005-04-01, 06:30:09 (24.205.11.235)
Borrowed from a known physiological and bio-physics effect. I have seen folks talk about use of this for electronic parts. Take individual parts placed them into the center of a very strong, shielded .......
65: RE: What are your picks and pans for JJ tubes? (3.81)
Posted by PeterCapo on 2012-04-27, 09:45:55 (96.233.4.15)
Kevin, I have a quad of JJ EL84 a few years old and they are really very good. But, if I recall, Jim McShane recently posted something about a bad batch he recently had. I also have two pairs of JJ 12 .......
66: Don't forget the chocolate frosting! - Plus a silly thermodynamic query (3.80)
Posted by Bambi B on 2007-06-01, 09:35:21 (70.141.211.244)
nightdoggy, So, you've gone over to the anti-cryo crowd! One thing I'm curious about is how the tube structure acquires very much heat? In the vacuum of the bottle, there is little to transfer the hea .......
67: Re: Cryogenics for tubes...etc (3.67)
Posted by Rob Mercure on 2005-07-26, 09:13:22 (151.199.89.250)
Well, have been contributing to other forums for years but I do check this one out from time to time. Now this post has drven me to actually become a member only so I can say, with respect, "are you k .......
68: I don't think timb5881 meant negative about Russian (3.44)
Posted by Bas Horneman on 2006-08-23, 11:56:33 (213.73.192.89)
tubes or anything. Fact is that in most communist countries made a lot of rubbish. A simple fact caused by lack of competition from other companies. (but I must add that I don't think a lot of russian .......
69: Now THIS seems like the way to go... "NOS 5687WB CRYO" (3.43)
Posted by BrianM23@msn.com on 2003-04-26, 23:16:24 (24.194.56.79)
From ATSI: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "5687WB CRYO 5687WBCRYO USD16.99 We have a good stock of this vacuum tube medium mu triode tube. Many are design .......
70: RE: What ever happened to cryo treated tubes? (3.32)
Posted by unclestu on 2014-04-03, 16:03:47 (72.130.96.11)
A few points: pin to glass seals are determined by material selection and manufacturers select material which have similar thermal contraction and expansion rates Nothing is soldered internally within .......
71: Have a look at this (3.31)
Posted by BrianM23@msn.com on 2003-05-30, 19:49:42 (24.194.56.79)
Hi Marc, I guess I've never really done any experiments with this... but then again this is kind of how I like to do things. I do a lot of research for example, on what the best NOS tubes there are ou .......
72: Re: Cryogenically frozen tubes (3.22)
Posted by kentaja@yahoo.com on 2001-09-26, 14:03:03 (63.49.36.110)
Being basically a pretty conservative type when it comes to all this pseudo audiophile science, I will err on the side of the massive number of engineers/scientists that developed the tubes in questio .......
73: Re: Question About Matched Quads (3.21)
Posted by The Gingerbread Man on 2003-03-25, 11:44:30 (66.227.182.163)
I would skip the NOS idea. Get some matched Ei Elites and you will avoid some serious headaches and expense, plus the fact that many NOS tubes have anomalies not testable on all but the finest test eq .......
74: RE: Start with the basics! (3.12)
Posted by Palustris on 2012-12-05, 14:47:57 (76.28.42.240)
"different plate configurations (smooth, ribbed, long, short " " Getter types (round, large O, square, D, A" " Cryogenic treatment of tubes." "difference in the 6GH8A and 6U8A tubes as far as sound qu .......
75: Scoffing (3.07)
Posted by psgary on 2002-08-11, 09:18:04 (4.60.22.247)
So far, 4 posters have scoffed at freezing. Not one of those has indicated having tried it. At AA, it is not unusual for a person to post and say something such as they A/B'd a Bryston and a Plinius a .......
76: Re: Best 6922/7308s for BAT VK5i? (2.99)
Posted by Hin H. on 2002-11-02, 07:45:21 (67.251.61.98)
Djhymn is correct, the VK5i is very tough for some tubes. I just replaced the stock Sovtek 6922 with the USSR Reflector 6H23 EB, have burn-in 70 hrs. I also replaced the stock 5881 with Tungsol 5881. .......
77: What's in a name/number? Quality? Performance? Value? (2.98)
Posted by Galaxyoilcan on 2012-12-04, 23:33:50 (68.6.139.76)
I'm just getting into tubes having only recently discovered the sweet tube sound by acquiring a small custom tube amp at a garage sale (see attached image). One guy said that it appears to be rebui .......
78: Audio Charity Auctions closing today..... (2.16)
Posted by Rod M on 2001-09-24, 08:19:05 (204.94.81.82)
Check out all this cool stuff! Bid totals for the event are now over $103K. Thank you all! Charity Auctions: Ending Today Bid Ends Plinius 8200 Integrated .......
79: Yes, I have done exactly that experiment.... (1.88)
Posted by Winston Smith on 2015-10-13, 16:56:15 (222.152.220.218)
.... a long while ago with a closely matched pair of 1961 Sylvania-branded Mullard Blackburn 5AR4/GZ34's from Andy at VTS (they were also date matched, as I recall: f32 B1E4. Beautiful tubes). Both Sy .......
80: Chinese Manufactured Psvane Tubes - Applied....... (1.80)
Posted by Kenburak on 2012-12-31, 23:13:24 (70.72.84.140)
For those who may be interested, THIS lengthy writing IS ABOUT TUBES, an intigrated tube amp using Psvane KT88 power output tubes (and 4 other Chinese made tubes), and about an intigrated tube/solid s .......
Found 10 records in Tube DIY Asylum.
1: Ahh, what IS it?) (8.10)
Posted by mikeyb on 2012-10-13, 13:59:25 (24.179.242.80)
It sort of looks like a crockpot with oversized walls or some cryogenic freezer for body parts. A head maybe? .......
2: RE: A word about E.E.s............. (8.10)
Posted by gusser on 2008-10-25, 10:40:42 (24.171.130.64)
Then rebuff this specifically. QUOTE BY GUSSER: Then we have these $150 plugs made from exotic metals. But you are sticking them into a 59 cent wall outlet in many cases. What good does all that exoti .......
3: OT...never knew cryogenic treatment was so altering to metal.. (8.00)
Posted by Bas Horneman on 2004-04-29, 07:49:20 (212.123.206.71)
http://www.cryoplus.com/testimonials.html .......
4: Douglas, thanks for posting! (7.95)
Posted by FenderLover on 2019-07-29, 20:34:39 (71.84.254.178)
I HATE this site moderator BS! It has such a chilling effect on any discourse. Even those on target with the site. Like a cryogenic nuclear bomb... .......
5: YE$, for people, its called "cryogenic$"...... (7.63)
Posted by drlowmu on 2008-12-20, 17:36:16 (76.0.20.186)
drummerwill, One can buy new 45s from EML that will likely way outperform all old rare types. Reflow the pins as Al suggested, IF no filament parts are seen in the jug, its worth a try. Jeff ::: TOP .......
6: Are you sure??.. (7.16)
Posted by cheap-Jack on 2006-02-22, 09:48:18 (69.156.196.162)
Hi. to find out tons of positive facts about gyrogenics on metals. Just off my head, check up Cryogenic Technology Development at NASA aimes Resserch Cenrter. (irtec.arc.nasa.gov/Cryodev.html) Also ch .......
7: Do Cryogenically Treated Tubes Offer Lower Noise? (5.63)
Posted by Dimitry on 2006-11-27, 18:49:41 (71.233.209.142)
I am trying to find the lowest noise 12AX7 for my new Canary CA-400 phonostage (4 12AX7s for about 60-65 DB of gain with a separate SS rectified and tube regulated PS). It is lovely sounding, but is j .......
8: RE: I can hear power cord differences too.... (4.97)
Posted by rage on 2012-04-24, 11:40:41 (68.61.26.99)
from my memory on each other their A/B tests.... they played a track intro twice, then switched the equipment. then played twice again. they may have gone back and forth a few times. at the time I cha .......
9: UL Listing? (4.88)
Posted by gusser on 2012-08-19, 16:25:48 (66.133.199.159)
I see no UL or other recognized test lab certification on the Shunyata power products. Why not? These are expensive supposedly superior products yet they cannot hold even the most basic safety certifi .......
10: I see I need to qualify further. (4.27)
Posted by gusser on 2008-10-23, 11:33:11 (67.99.100.2)
Of course the wrong wire can make a difference. I'm not challanging that. For example I put an 18ga power cord on a lager sub woofer amp and then ask it to produce several hundred watts. Yes, if I rep .......
Found 17 records in SET Asylum.
1: Re: Deep Cryogenic Treatment. (6.86)
Posted by J Epstein on 2001-06-16, 21:32:28 (165.121.74.225)
I doubt Bill would be averse to giving a little free advice - he's a pretty nice guy and loves to inform. -j .......
2: Re: Deep Cryogenic Treatment. (6.86)
Posted by Paul Barker on 2001-06-16, 17:20:13 (195.92.67.72)
Hi, where you geting this done? I'd like to put my transformers through it. Regards Paul Barker .......
3: Re: Deep Cryogenic Treatment. (6.63)
Posted by groverg on 2001-06-16, 16:32:11 (12.91.136.207)
I don't think it degrades it. Bruce has had years of experiencing cryoing stuff and he and the guy who does it for him have worked out the specifics so that nothing is harmed. I think it's a three or .......
4: RE: Cyro-treating (6.55)
Posted by Balle Clorin on 2011-09-24, 14:24:31 (84.208.182.241)
Cryo tratement of tube is a hype and humbug used to sell tubes more expensivly,even if the cryogenic, temperatures can only damage the tubes at best ,, forget about it. .......
5: Re: Deep Cryogenic Treatment. (6.48)
Posted by Paul Barker on 2001-06-17, 17:03:51 (195.92.67.72)
Hi, thanks for the detail. Best ask someone like Mike for an official answer, but as far as I'm conserned transformers are built well enough to let a rigger put them in liquid nitrogen, I'd let'em hav .......
6: Re: Deep Cryogenic Treatment. (6.12)
Posted by J Epstein on 2001-06-16, 12:22:58 (165.121.64.116)
Contact Bill Perkins at Pearl (you may be familiar with the Tube Coolers he sells): custserv@pearl-hifi.com He routinely cryo's all sorts of stuff and will do it for you for a fee. He will also know w .......
7: True, but not in this context: (5.91)
Posted by gusser on 2009-09-18, 16:21:39 (67.99.100.22)
Quote: "Aluminum adds a "whitish" coloration that is evident no matter where or how it is used in an amplifier.-- or even in wire. Copper attends to a dulling, slowing down effect on music, but it doe .......
8: Re: Deep Cryogenic Treatment. (5.74)
Posted by Denis McCotter on 2001-06-16, 14:11:14 (62.60.104.237)
groveg, Interesting, so complete transformers can be treated without degradation of the magnetic material's grain orientation or crystal structure. I'm looking to have a couple of output transformers .......
9: Re: Deep Cryogenic Treatment. (5.56)
Posted by Denis McCotter on 2001-06-16, 12:58:39 (62.60.10.43)
-j, I am aware of Pearl and the services they provide (I use their coolers too). As I live in the UK it is not really sensible or economic to send heavy items accross the Atlantic. He may be responsiv .......
10: Re: Deep Cryogenic Treatment. (5.24)
Posted by groverg on 2001-06-16, 13:47:20 (12.91.136.146)
Bruce Wenger of BWS Audio regularly cryo's components, including transformers, tubes, DAC boards, compression drivers, etc. I use his modified CD player with a cryoed Bel Canto board and the results a .......
11: Re: Deep Cryogenic Treatment. (4.76)
Posted by Denis McCotter on 2001-06-17, 12:38:56 (62.60.104.173)
Paul, The company mentioned in HFN is www.frozensolid.co.uk I don't know what they charge. For those on the other side of the Atlantic, Bill Perkins seems to be _the specialist_ regarding audio compo .......
12: Re: Deep Cryogenic Treatment. (4.72)
Posted by Doc B. on 2001-06-18, 13:08:29 (63.231.48.165)
Several years back Mikey sent Paul Joppa two sets of MQ B7 5K line output transformers with permalloy cores. One had been cryo'd the other was stock. Paul built a line stage with a switch that allowed .......
13: Here is my change programme (4.38)
Posted by Mrcat on 2006-03-16, 10:13:49 (82.3.32.72)
This is what I did: Monoblocks Each 6H8C Replaced by an RCA 6SN7 then Phillips NOS circa 1960 12AX7 Replaced by Svetlanas then Cryogenic NOS 12AU7 Replaced by RCAs then Phillips NOS .......
14: RE: It is so obvious we can build stuff so much better for a fraction of the price. (4.27)
Posted by LinuxGuru on 2013-07-28, 01:28:53 (83.99.228.190)
> Really? Since when? Most of friendly dealers who are always faced > with such DIY via commercial "shootouts" usually only laugh on the > side in order of not offending DIY guy (there is 0.1% chance .......
15: Deep Cryogenic Treatment. (3.72)
Posted by Denis McCotter on 2001-06-16, 11:21:06 (62.60.8.191)
Hello fellow lunatics, This post is primarily aimed at those who manufacture audio transformers or act as transformer suppliers to Joe public. I've just finished reading yet another cryogenics arti .......
16: DIY cables, esp for SETs (3.60)
Posted by Janos on 2004-10-21, 18:47:17 (128.171.209.162)
Lenny, Me and our local audio community have been toying very extensively with DIY cabling, and have found that some DIY cables behave in a different way in a low-powered / flea powered SET and in a p .......
17: RE: Effects of Chassis material choice for input signal shielding ? (2.29)
Posted by tube wrangler on 2009-09-17, 13:18:42 (4.227.207.46)
For this discussion, I am assuming a Single-Ended RCA input into your amplifier. Your input to your amplifier will come from a "hot" wire, and a "cold" wire. In some setups, the "cold" wire is a sh .......
Found 200 records in Tweakers' Asylum.
1: Re: Danger!!!! (8.61)
Posted by Doc B. on 2000-03-25, 15:47:01 (209.20.171.212)
Cryogenic gun barrel treatment is a common procedure these days and is indeed done slowly, with equipment devised specially for the job. You know something of the thermal physics of the subject, so I .......
2: cryogenic question (8.61)
Posted by stator_99@yahoo.com on 2014-02-21, 06:43:07 (166.137.101.153)
Any of you folks ever had an Acoustic Revive RR-77 or a King Rex power psu cryogenic treated? .......
3: Re: I have had cryogenic treatments done before, but not recently. What are good present sources? nt (8.57)
Posted by floydandrews on 2006-05-22, 16:55:54 (69.109.181.234)
I used to get cryogenic treatments all the time, but then I got divorced. .......
4: Re: And let us also.... (8.50)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2005-07-13, 18:29:41 (24.221.101.222)
....clarify (for the reading and listening public) that commercial cryogenic treatment is not all the same, and what is considered "deep" cryogenic treatment is that which achieves the boil-off at -32 .......
5: Cryogenic temperatures.... (8.25)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2011-04-22, 20:00:46 (68.109.181.16)
....via vapor injection method are usually at -295F. to -300F. Processes considered 'deep' cryogenic treatment achieve -320F., which is the boil-off point for LN2. There *is* a qualitative difference .......
6: perhaps a reason for cryogenic maple? (8.08)
Posted by Len_ on 2004-02-05, 17:50:41 (67.122.162.203)
"Virtually any fiber can be a conductor...if it has even a nominal water content" Perhaps this is a reason to use cryogenic maple ... because cryogenesis draws out water during the dry freeze process. .......
7: RE: Where to Custom Cryo in 2014 ???? (7.79)
Posted by ipdtt on 2014-08-10, 01:54:29 (73.162.182.30)
Hi, From the link to;http://metal-wear.com/stereo.html# can this be true? "Cryogenic treatment of stereo components" I ask you, can a component with Electrolytic and Film capacitors go through Cryogen .......
8: Re: Answer. (7.79)
Posted by Seán on 2006-02-26, 03:36:58 (62.254.0.30)
Living in the UK and using Schuko in preference to UK13A, and wishing to try the Oyaide Schuko plugs, I wondered, too, about the value of cryogenic treatment and the claims made for it, and wondered w .......
9: Minus 160F might be considered.... (7.61)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2009-02-17, 10:49:56 (68.227.249.60)
...."deep refrigeration", or "deep freezing", but it ain't cryo. Cryogenic treatment operates at temperatures starting at -290F to -300F, with deep cryogenic at a minimum of -310F. The best systems ar .......
10: Re: Cryogenic treatment (7.56)
Posted by Lonely Raven on 2000-03-21, 11:19:42 (206.24.101.41)
I've called a few places to inquire about cryogenic tempering and they were happy to take my money, but none could even make up a reason why it would be a good idea. And testing changes would be real .......
11: Re: Cryogenic treatment (7.40)
Posted by heatha on 2000-03-21, 13:52:33 (149.99.127.81)
Ed Mietner when he was back with Museatex had done some cryogenic stuff to cables and cd's. The cables were brought up from extreme cold temps slowly to prevent making the materials brittle from the c .......
12: Re: Um...sorry... (7.33)
Posted by CJB on 2000-06-23, 06:27:10 (64.208.99.35)
...to disappoint you but once you quench the metal that has been super-cooled you lose all of the advantages of the cryogenic state. It's a simple matter of physics that cannot be bypassed. That "chan .......
13: Re: Questions on cryogenic freezing (7.06)
Posted by Erational on 2000-06-23, 01:36:52 (160.87.44.30)
Saw an interesting article in one of the E-Mags on the web about freezing CD's at consumer tempertures, as in your freezer box. Claimed Peter Belt had recommended it on his website. He compared some h .......
14: I believe it was several years ago... (7.06)
Posted by B. King on 2005-10-13, 14:06:21 (71.136.103.91)
...I read about this in Stereophile or some other mag, so I did indeed try it. Hell, I even tried Sam Tellig's tweak of quarters on the corners of my speakers, lifting my cables off the carpet, and so .......
15: How can I diy a pair of rca and speaker cable use "Deep Cryogenic Treatment"? (6.80)
Posted by wer on 2004-11-06, 12:06:00 (218.102.223.199)
How can I diy a pair of rca and speaker cable use "Deep Cryogenic Treatment"? ?Anyone did it before at home? What material is need? .......
16: Re: What exactly does cryogenic treatment do? (6.79)
Posted by Elso Kwak on 2003-04-07, 10:21:35 (195.85.172.237)
Hi, Actually liquid nitrogen is 77 Kelvin. 0 Kelvin = -273 degree Celcius. So liquid nitrogen is minus 196 degree Celcius. Pretty cold though. Only liquid Helium is colder at 4.3 Kelvin but very expen .......
17: RE: Well, no need to be sorry! (6.69)
Posted by jad on 2013-01-16, 20:14:34 (24.210.157.76)
I worked in the ball bearing industry and we would do a cryogenic treatment of bearing steel to convert retained Austenite to 100% Martensite crystal structure. Then to achieve the desired hardness an .......
18: Re: cryogenic maple footer blocks.... frooking awesome !!! (6.63)
Posted by Herbie on 2003-11-16, 11:00:01 (12.72.205.209)
Maple lends itself to cryogenic treatment quite effectively. At Herbie's Audio Lab, we use a two-step process: First, we dry-freeze the maple to evacuate water molecules; then, we bring the temperatur .......
19: cryogenic treatment....home brew (6.58)
Posted by stator_99@yahoo.com on 2007-08-18, 22:04:32 (76.181.136.221)
I have read with great interest about folks putting CD's and other things in their home freezer, it is my understanding that true cryogenic treatment consists of temperatures much lower than what can .......
20: RE: Why would I only cryo-treat the transformer.... (6.47)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2019-11-24, 01:42:57 (70.175.91.44)
Thank you for the detailed pic and description....however, everything populating the circuit board will benefit from the cryogenic treatment, including the traces and contact points. On the linear PS .......
21: RE: Oyaide v Shunyata venom outlets (6.41)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2007-06-24, 20:45:36 (24.221.101.222)
Additionally, the body of the outlet is oversized, providing improved internal cooling capacity when under heavy current loads. It appears to be the heavy-duty, spec-grade HBL5362...."improved inter .......
22: RE: Cooking and cryoing.... (6.29)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2009-09-06, 21:32:43 (68.3.73.243)
I'm very happy to have this discussion. If you're attending RMAF, we could enjoy a micro-brew or two. Let me know. As far as IC's and speaker cables, both benefit equally from each process, and the ef .......
23: silver treatment (6.21)
Posted by stator_99@yahoo.com on 2008-01-15, 13:55:37 (76.181.128.201)
Walker,Maple Shade, and a few others market various forms of silver paste that you can treat fuses,speaker terminals,etc, with to increase conductivity from one connector to another. I have the first .......
24: Re: Cryoing, Lowers the noise floor? (6.08)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2006-05-16, 16:59:50 (24.221.101.222)
I'm in complete agreement with you, Mike....that's been my experience over the last 6 years, whether it be receptacles, cabling, transformers, line conditioners, a couple of kit amps, etc. etc. Althou .......
25: Re: Cryogenic treatment (5.95)
Posted by Doc B. on 2000-03-23, 17:10:28 (209.20.170.29)
Huh? .......
26: Re: Cryogenic treatment (5.88)
Posted by Doc B. on 2000-03-22, 09:13:26 (209.20.170.56)
Maybe we need to cryo your fingers... .......
27: Re: To what extent can cryo treatment be used in audio equipments? (5.82)
Posted by Fred J on 2005-10-08, 06:38:56 (24.159.231.129)
They've forgotten to cryogenically treat the listener, I think we should petition the utlities to Cryo the whole damn grid ;-) Not looking to get flammed, but my understanding of actual "Real" cryogen .......
28: I'm sorry to say... (5.82)
Posted by geoffkait on 2013-01-16, 14:00:30 (174.227.128.51)
The cryogenic process is irreversible. :-( .......
29: Re: Not ambiguous at all...... (5.76)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2002-06-14, 15:00:23 (24.221.101.222)
Read the paragraph again (even though it was written, not by SAP, but by an editor at Enjoy The Music). It stated: "SAP found that the self generated noise in all the semiconductor devices is very muc .......
30: Good. (5.71)
Posted by KCHANG on 2005-10-19, 17:42:42 (67.162.18.225)
"... but how will YOU prove to ME that you won? Can prove that you CAN'T hear the difference?" Why don't you tell me what kind of proof you need besides trusting that I'll tell honestly whether I can .......
31: Waddya tryin' ta do? (5.68)
Posted by R. Hertz on 2001-12-28, 11:37:23 (24.165.24.201)
Put all the cryogenic guys out of business? .......
32: What temperature is required for Cryogenic Freezing? nt (5.65)
Posted by oldmkvi on 2011-04-22, 15:30:23 (75.32.146.41)
/ .......
33: Re: Not ambiguous at all...... (5.65)
Posted by micah on 2002-06-17, 06:51:19 (63.113.60.42)
My bust... I didn't realize that "cryogenic technics" meant cryogenic treatment followed by a return to room temperature. I thought the second sentence was simply a slightly more in depth explanation .......
34: Re: Cryogenic treatment (5.60)
Posted by Mart on 2000-03-23, 01:45:42 (150.152.124.39)
sure, during the process the Mauser can put the Fujitsu out of your wife's misery. ;^> .......
35: Re: However, this will only give you an inkling of true cryogenic treatment" (5.59)
Posted by geoffkait on 2005-07-15, 03:35:28 (138.88.135.153)
Or so they say. .......
36: Re: Cryogenic treatment (5.59)
Posted by Mart on 2000-03-23, 18:29:09 (138.27.4.16)
the gun shoots the keyboard & saves your wife from hearing you practice ;^> .......
37: Re: Cryogenic fuse. Skeptics will love this one!! (5.54)
Posted by topstr on 2005-10-17, 21:49:51 (134.134.136.2)
Hi, where'd you get the cryo'd ceramic fuses from? Thanks! .......
38: I have had cryogenic treatments done before, but not recently. What are good present sources? nt (5.54)
Posted by Norm on 2006-05-18, 06:33:27 (71.113.240.68)
a .......
39: "Old school" treatment (5.54)
Posted by dadbar on 2007-03-04, 10:30:34 (68.160.166.179)
Carefully aged cloth covered 15ga conductors in shielded BX cable ca. 1930 "all broken in for extreme sonic benefit." Solidly grounded directly to the main panel. New outlet and outlet cover were spec .......
40: Re: Damn it! Don't delete your post while I'm trying to reply to them! :) (5.53)
Posted by Steve Eddy on 2006-10-05, 00:05:30 (71.137.215.99)
Crygenics help to distribute the atoms more evenly thus creating a tighter grain structure with less voids. With a tighter grain structure, there will be less electrical noise when the electrons cro .......
41: Re: What exactly does cryogenic treatment do? (5.50)
Posted by Brian Walsh on 2003-04-07, 22:16:38 (64.81.150.121)
More helpful responses could have been posted. Since I'm a dealer for Acme Audio and stock the cryo'd outlets, you can take what I say with a grain of salt, or several grains, as you wish. Liquid nitr .......
42: Cryogenic treatment (5.49)
Posted by Brian Walsh on 2000-03-21, 10:25:57 (209.49.216.242)
Anybody ever heard of doing this to your components, wires, etc.? Any experiences? Chicago Audio Society .......
43: Re: What exactly does cryogenic treatment do? (5.48)
Posted by jnorv on 2003-04-04, 19:43:13 (216.103.104.218)
It does great things for tool steel. Not sure what it does to copper and brass. .......
44: Re: What exactly does cryogenic treatment do? (5.48)
Posted by bill lorenz on 2003-04-04, 18:09:04 (12.91.35.175)
I think that's what they have to do to your body if you have an incurable disease and want to be thawed out later when the cure is found. .......
45: cryogenic AC receptacle (5.43)
Posted by gary green on 2003-12-07, 10:49:25 (24.171.133.132)
I keep on seeing these for sale on Audiogon. Are they worth buying or are they just hype. .......
46: Here we go again with don't trust your ears (5.43)
Posted by Norm on 2001-12-29, 12:54:48 (205.140.147.148)
From what little I recall about cryogenic effects, you get realignment of molecules. Thus you might be hearing read improvemnts whether or not you can instrument these. .......
47: DIY Cryo (5.38)
Posted by DHT 4 ME on 2007-01-06, 08:49:37 (24.216.133.158)
Having a background in prototype engineering I remembered some of the discussions on heat treatment of metals we had for tooling. I searched in the Machinery handbook and the web, I found this bit on .......
48: Re: cryogenic maple footer blocks.... frooking awesome !!! (5.36)
Posted by Highland on 2003-11-13, 08:42:49 (199.0.11.18)
Ah... a fellow smeghead. When is that smegging movie going to come out? .......
49: Re: What exactly does cryogenic treatment do? (5.33)
Posted by enmark on 2003-04-07, 11:00:06 (195.92.194.18)
The human ear ,I understand, can differentiate by 1 dB only for a given pitch. A b&k measuring unit is a little more accurate than that? Mark .......
50: Re: cryogenic maple footer blocks.... frooking awesome !!! (5.28)
Posted by geoffkait on 2003-11-14, 03:44:06 (141.156.177.118)
Q: when you say "pucks," what are you referring to? The DH Squares are not the same composition as the cones... .......
51: Re: Damn it! Don't delete your post while I'm trying to reply to them! :) (5.28)
Posted by kenster on 2006-10-05, 02:24:30 (143.183.121.1)
"First, what's the magnitude of the noise caused by grain boundaries that cryogenic treatment allegedly "cures" compared to the general thermal noise of the conductor? Seems to me that the noise you'r .......
52: Re: Cryogenic treatment (5.25)
Posted by Mart on 2000-03-21, 12:22:11 (155.218.171.242)
I'd think that cables would see the greatest benefit. However, I don't think the insolation would survive the thermal stresses at the plummetting temperature induces embrittling behavior. .......
53: Very interesting. I have been told that both the Tesla coil and cryogenic treatment work alike. Not so? (5.23)
Posted by Norm on 2010-07-05, 16:00:44 (174.28.41.73)
I would love to hear a comparison of various outlets all of which having been zapped. .......
54: Re: Waddya tryin' ta do? (5.23)
Posted by Steve Eddy on 2001-12-28, 13:12:58 (205.162.100.130)
Put all the cryogenic guys out of business? Well if that's an example of the crap they're trying to shovel, perhaps they should go out of business. se .......
55: Re: cryogenic maple footer blocks.... frooking awesome !!! (5.22)
Posted by JoeLip on 2003-11-13, 19:50:05 (4.35.58.5)
Just curious. How do you accomplish the cryo treatment? I assume you are talking something you do in your home/garage. Thanks. .......
56: Re: Cryogenic treatment (5.18)
Posted by Brian Walsh on 2000-03-21, 17:04:43 (209.49.216.242)
The areas you mention are of particular interest. I'm researching the topic further and look forward to hearing about your results. Chicago Audio Society .......
57: Re: Cryogenic treatment (5.14)
Posted by Lonely Raven on 2000-03-23, 06:55:39 (206.24.101.41)
The few shops I've called to have some work done told me they couldn't put a vaccume into the deep freeze. Maybe a special setup is needed for it. TLR .......
58: RE: Results with cryogenic treatment (5.13)
Posted by pixelphoto on 2010-10-27, 20:13:10 (69.231.195.16)
Hi, I went to the web site of Cryogenics International to check cost but found no info. Any one have know the cost? Marvin .......
59: RE: Results with cryogenic treatment (5.10)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2010-10-28, 00:53:32 (70.162.43.72)
$9 per pound with a $75 minimum. There are further break-points above 31 pounds and 50 pounds, etc. .......
60: Re: Cryogenic fuse. Skeptics will love this one!! (5.10)
Posted by pkell44 on 2005-10-18, 15:49:33 (68.231.150.10)
Obviously not the one you're from. I've been having components cryo'd since '89 and continue to do so because of the obvious improvement in sonics it produces. Happy Flat Earthing ! .......
61: More cryo research in audio...... (5.09)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2002-06-13, 11:49:14 (24.221.101.222)
From EnjoyTheMusic industry news today: Italy based company S.A.P. has been conducting continuous research and development with the University of Europe (Politecnico di Milano) and have applied for ne .......
62: Re: cables in the freezer? (5.07)
Posted by geoffkait on 2000-11-29, 15:54:26 (208.58.199.184)
while there is some debate about the freezing of cables (and other things like CDs, CD players, so forth, probably because the benefits are sometimes not observed or detected, so to speak, a lot of us .......
63: I find it makes them more flexible. (5.05)
Posted by Norm on 2004-03-31, 06:01:02 (4.13.135.52)
In the case of the Absolute Cord and the Valhalla, the cryogenic treatment made them more flexible. In both cases, I found a great improvement. .......
64: Re: How can I diy a pair of rca and speaker cable use "Deep Cryogenic Treatment"? (5.02)
Posted by Bod on 2004-11-06, 16:31:08 (81.137.204.252)
Unless you have a freezer that goes down to -200C or so you've not got a hope in hell. .......
65: RE: Cryogenic temperatures.... (5.02)
Posted by geoffkait on 2011-04-23, 03:58:39 (72.66.39.142)
Actually, not to nit pick, but the home freezer method, aside from being quite effective, is also permanent. I was one of the very first to employ both cryogenics and home freezing techniques. Cheers .......
66: Re: More cryo research in audio...... (5.02)
Posted by micah on 2002-06-14, 11:40:48 (63.113.60.42)
The quote seems quite ambiguous as it mentions "working temperature" which is a different monster entirely than the issue of cryogenic treatment. In either case I'd be interested to see their results .......
67: Re: What exactly does cryogenic treatment do? (5.00)
Posted by isoman on 2003-04-07, 05:59:17 (134.59.131.184)
whoa kool: They achieve minus 320 degrees Centigrade, it must worth at least a Nobel prize!!! How many ergs per gallon on square foot do they need to get that? Best regards from Metric man. ::: TOPIC: .......
68: Re: What exactly does cryogenic treatment do? (5.00)
Posted by speyer on 2003-04-04, 20:18:05 (216.16.90.40)
ck out the following explanation of cryogenics in an article that profiles Jennifer WhiteWolf-Crock in enjoythemusic: www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/earwax/1101 .......
69: Uh, assuming cryogenic treatment actually has audibly... (4.98)
Posted by B. King on 2005-10-12, 19:51:46 (71.136.128.144)
...positive effects on the treated components, you don't suppose the approximately 250 degree difference between your freezer and liquid oxygen might not be significant? .......
70: Dry ice is nowhere near absolute zero. -109ºs F vs -460º F. (4.95)
Posted by Norm on 2012-08-12, 08:28:39 (204.133.178.218)
Cryogenics achieves -196ºs F. There are differences in cryogenic treatments which have never been assessed on what is treated. I prefer the treatment with a Tesla coil done by Synergistic Research. : .......
71: Re: Questions on cryogenic freezing (4.95)
Posted by col325 on 2000-06-22, 20:31:58 (205.188.197.189)
You can find dry ice in the Yellow Pages under ice or refrigerants, etc. Also good for removing small dents in your car. Let us know how the freezing goes. .......
72: Re: cryogenic maple footer blocks.... frooking awesome !!! (4.94)
Posted by welly on 2003-11-13, 02:03:50 (211.29.136.11)
Just out of interest, di you try them before the cryo treatment? If so, what were the differences? Smoke me a kipper...I'll be Back for Breakfast. Cheers welly .......
73: Re: Actually, Gary...... (4.91)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2005-07-25, 10:05:07 (24.221.101.222)
....Ted's 'home' is a few blocks from Cryogenics International in the Scottsdale Airpark area. But Ted's process is called *cryonic* rather than cryogenic, and requires a much longer 'nap'. Let me kno .......
74: Re: Cryogenic fuse. Skeptics will love this one!! (4.91)
Posted by SysInfo on 2005-10-17, 18:00:05 (209.90.172.114)
I can only imagine how hard people who do this "cryo" laugh on you man. Do you REALY think that someone would go trough hassle and expence to "cryo" your parts when it is the same thing if they do not .......
75: RE: Ever (4.91)
Posted by geoffkait on 2013-01-16, 17:27:49 (174.227.128.51)
I didn't intimate Henry didn't have a valid question. And I answered it. Cryogenic treatment is irreversible. As is home freezing. End of story. This is a case of not being able to the forest for the .......
76: RE: "I have proven a -25C freezer does not give any noticeable sonic results on audio stuff." (4.91)
Posted by geoffkait on 2007-08-21, 12:45:51 (71.252.38.239)
So, did you have any positive results with cryogenic treatment or is that too expensive for you? .......
77: Re: TICE (4.87)
Posted by Myles B. Astor on 2000-03-23, 11:14:09 (152.169.140.62)
John, TPT has nothing to do with cryogenic treatment. I've seen the process and it essentially has to do with treating the cables with extremely intense magnetic fields. Myles B. Astor Publisher Ultim .......
78: RE: Let's talk cryogenics (4.81)
Posted by May Belt on 2014-01-13, 02:43:06 (80.176.74.206)
To add to your posting, Moray James. During a conversation with the British audio journalist Keith Howard in 2001, Ed Meitner commented :- >>> "Stereophile had a whole bunch of their test discs treate .......
79: Re: what does cryogenic treatment do to copper? (4.80)
Posted by brashgordon on 2004-11-10, 19:44:58 (65.54.97.144)
I'd like to hear more about this one too....... Wrong thread, but cryo-tubes; cryo cables; cryo heads... just had a frozen steak....didn't taste as good as "fresh"... Dogs will be DAWGS... ::: TOPIC:: .......
80: Re: What exactly does cryogenic treatment do? (4.80)
Posted by Bob Wortman on 2003-04-07, 03:29:05 (24.151.76.89)
Quoting marketing bs from a cable manufacturer doesn't help your cause. Distortion from grain boundaries and strand crossing is more unproven supposition. No one has ever been able to measure it or r .......
81: RE: Cryo Logitech Squeezebox Touch, Creative Soundblaster X-Fi Titanium soundcard (4.79)
Posted by soulfood on 2011-07-01, 08:59:04 (99.140.223.224)
"The reason of this post is to show that both of these electronic devices survived the cryogenic treatment." Interesting story, thanks. There was an inmate around campus, that was considering sacrific .......
82: Re: Cryogenic fuse. ..... IsoClean Audio Grade Fuses (4.79)
Posted by Soundideas on 2005-10-17, 08:30:02 (63.21.204.89)
Your right, they do make a difference you can really hear! .......
83: Re: What exactly does cryogenic treatment do? (4.78)
Posted by moray james on 2003-04-07, 13:47:53 (209.197.184.112)
I have been going by what my probe and meter tell me re the exact temperature. It is cold argon is colder and helium is the coldest but yes very spendy. You can tell simply by listening. Just like you .......
84: Re: How can I diy a pair of rca and speaker cable use "Deep Cryogenic Treatment"? (4.78)
Posted by Hen on 2004-11-15, 01:22:50 (203.198.23.99)
How can I use nitrogen to do this treatment? I know many people use nitrogen to cool down the cpu. .......
85: Cryogenic treatment.... (4.76)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2010-07-06, 14:31:50 (68.3.75.36)
....both compacts and re-aligns the molecular structure. I highly doubt that the Tesla treatment compacts them whatsoever, and I'm not aware what, if any re-alignment occurs. Is this information specu .......
86: Here are the improvements in the new Acoustic Revive Ultimate power strips ... (4.71)
Posted by NAL on 2007-08-09, 21:09:40 (68.164.54.49)
A) HEAVY-DUTY CHASSIS: Machined from a solid block of A-2017S Aircraft grade Aluminum Alloy (Super Duralumin). Ultimate vibration control and noise supression (B) ENLARGED LEGS: Chromeplated Brass .......
87: Re: cryogenic maple footer blocks.... frooking awesome !!! (4.68)
Posted by geoffkait on 2003-11-13, 16:34:07 (138.88.5.192)
A small point: the DH Squares are actually a graphite composite material as opposed to plastic; also, I wonder how cryo'd squares would stack up against the maple blocks... .......
88: RE: A Question for John Curl (4.66)
Posted by Mel Famie on 2011-02-15, 14:02:19 (216.16.202.14)
He probably means cryogenic treatment and degaussing. Makes a HUGE difference in fuse performance. I find that bypassing cryoed fuses with pure silver wire is also a big improvement- this tweak great .......
89: RE: Post Cryo (4.63)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2015-04-20, 01:33:00 (68.109.181.83)
{ audiodharma } Thanks for the mention, David....but our resident expert, Mr. Stehno, already "knows better" than "doing something funky like putting the objects on a cable cooker or something else". .......
90: RE: Well, no need to be sorry! (4.63)
Posted by geoffkait on 2013-01-16, 15:24:15 (174.227.128.51)
If bringing the temperature back up to room temperature from cryogenic temperature, a difference of almost 400 degrees F, doesn't reverse the physical changes that occur at -300 F a little more heat f .......
91: Better how? (4.62)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2011-11-01, 14:54:43 (72.201.96.162)
What musical characteristics do you hear with the non-treated Hubbell that you don't with the cryo-treated Jena/Hubbell? Unless Hubbell changed the alloy formulation, the two outlets are identical in .......
92: RE: LOL................. (4.62)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2007-10-22, 21:02:06 (24.221.101.222)
I very much enjoyed your cryo-treated handshake (at TRUE deep-cryogenic temps, of course). It was more resolving, and had far more spacial depth than the norm. The porter, while chilled only to 38F or .......
93: Re: Cryogenic treatment (4.59)
Posted by Quest(from Bottlehead) on 2000-03-21, 14:18:50 (216.18.8.34)
Doc B.: "..I'll be sending my new heavy barreled Mauser bolt action to the cryo shop real soon too...supposed to improve accuracy in some cases..." Quest: Can I throw in my Fujitsu keyboard while you' .......
94: right now I'm using AudioMagic:Illusion power-cords (4.59)
Posted by Mart on 2000-11-28, 18:48:47 (155.218.183.232)
with AudioPrism:WaveGuides mounted & plugged into a Tice:Solo with a BlueCircle:NoiseHound These ElectraGlides are similar but much more gauge silver ribbon with cryogenic treatment. My KAV-500 ought .......
95: Re: Freezing Cables (4.57)
Posted by Alex M on 2001-06-11, 04:34:32 (152.78.175.12)
There's an interesting article by Keith Howard in the current Hi-Fi News about cryogenic treatment of cables. He mentions the theory of Ed Meitner that the effects are related to changes in crystallin .......
96: I'm up for the challenge ... (4.54)
Posted by machani on 2005-10-19, 15:38:59 (24.87.41.101)
... but how will YOU prove to ME that you won? Can prove that you CAN'T hear the difference? If you get the drift, you will realize are simply wasting everyone's time here. A better use of time, IMO, .......
97: RE: cryo'ed hubbell 5362's on ebay for $19.99 ... (4.54)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2007-12-11, 14:30:02 (24.221.101.222)
I've never heard of Mr. Polk, but I did some digging and calling. I spoke directly to Charles at Cryogenics International, with whom I do regular business, and he indeed did a small batch of parts for .......
98: Just a bit of clearification (4.53)
Posted by Mike B. on 2005-11-19, 10:59:35 (63.224.200.237)
thanks for the review rhyno. I am Acme so will tread lightly on my comments. I have a series 2 IEC socket out now. It has my logo printed on the body in blue and the big difference is it has twice the .......
99: Re: Danger!!!! (4.52)
Posted by Brian Walsh on 2000-03-24, 11:24:10 (209.49.216.242)
The only cryogenic treatment which should be used in our area of interest is one where the parts being treated do not come in contact with liquid nitrogen, i.e. they are in a separate chamber with air .......
100: I have seen dramatic before and after pictures....... (4.52)
Posted by Mike B. on 2015-02-14, 09:53:00 (50.137.61.65)
...of changes in grain structure in metals. The process was done on manufactured metal parts. The before shots showed no alignment in structure and the after had alignment. Some cryogenic outlets woul .......
101: what does cryogenic treatment do to copper? (4.52)
Posted by Bod on 2004-11-10, 08:45:55 (81.137.204.252)
I have searched on the internet and can see no scientific evidence that it alters the copper's crystal structure in any way. It does affcet metals like steel, making them stronger and harder, but I ca .......
102: They do cryo treatment?? (4.49)
Posted by jneutron on 2005-11-14, 12:54:49 (130.199.3.3)
What do they treat that requires cryo prior to liftoff? Far as I know, they will subject subassemblies and final assemblies to cryogenic cycling to eliminate bathtub failures and design flaws, but not .......
103: RE: cryo-treatment : risky for capacitors (4.48)
Posted by flood2 on 2014-05-07, 03:13:28 (125.237.109.135)
I thought cryogenic treatment was to take the material to a very LOW temperature Are you talking about fast tracking the warmup process when recommending the slow bake oven? If you take the body of th .......
104: Re: liquid nitrogen (4.48)
Posted by geoffkait on 2000-11-30, 13:34:29 (208.58.195.69)
got me there, Brian...thanks for correcting me, BTW you might be interested to know there is quite a bit more to all of this than meets the eye; it is possible to outdo the cryogenic route when PWB pr .......
105: the key point (4.47)
Posted by unclestu52 on 2005-10-13, 13:25:51 (63.16.26.78)
is have you actually tried it? The mechanism for the effects of cryoing on plastics and non ferrous items is very debatable from an objective point of view. Molecularly, I do not believe any differenc .......
106: RE: Dry ice is nowhere near absolute zero. -109ºs F vs -460º F. (4.47)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2012-08-12, 16:06:28 (68.109.180.217)
Norm....you meant to say -196C., not F. The equivalent in Fahrenheit is -320F. But you are so correct regarding "differences in cryogenic treatments". Most facilities cannot achieve more than -295F. o .......
107: Re: Cryogenic treatment (4.47)
Posted by Brian Walsh on 2000-03-22, 15:09:53 (209.49.216.242)
I wonder if there is any risk or negative effect of treating things more than once. I've heard from an outside source that you should only do it once, but why that may be true is unknown. Contrary to .......
108: RE: Minimalist Outlets... (4.45)
Posted by UFO on 2011-11-24, 17:41:32 (204.237.75.207)
In reply to your email to me, Yes I am "one of those guys". Not all of us believe in Snake Oil. What next? cryogenic circuit panel? Heavy gauge stranded wire tied directly to the power plant? I respec .......
109: Re: question for DACT users (4.45)
Posted by Malcolm Fear on 2001-12-03, 02:37:17 (203.164.232.15)
I used Belden CAT-5 (teflon coated) in making a passive pre-amp. Works a treat. Thinking of re-wiring with the Chimera cryogenic 25.5 g wire. It is similar to magnet wire, and sounds good to boot. htt .......
110: RE: R-1 in. Its quite something (4.44)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2007-08-10, 12:48:59 (24.221.101.222)
Usually proper cryogenic treatment offers greater resolution and definition, not "very tubey and undefined" performance. That's certainly been my experience for many years. A non-cryo'd part, which so .......
111: RE: My Friend (4.44)
Posted by May Belt on 2013-06-21, 02:19:45 (80.176.74.206)
>>> " In fact it now comes to thought that Cryogenically treating them may have an even more pronounced and sustained influence over their sound, whether its for better or worse... I will have to find .......
112: Can you wait for Hubbell IG5362 (4.44)
Posted by Jon L on 2004-04-09, 12:15:25 (162.119.232.102)
I have a bunch of Hubbell IG5362 outlets undergoing double-cryo treatment at Cryogenicinternational right now. I should have'em in couple of weeks. Because of Cryogenic's minimum purchase policy, I wi .......
113: Freeze it! (4.43)
Posted by Brian Walsh on 2000-04-04, 10:31:11 (209.49.216.242)
That's right - find someone to cryogenically treat it. A friend just got back his MSB (modified by Stan Warren, with Duroptic interface) and is very pleased with the results. Click on the link below f .......
114: RE: How did you measure the temp? (4.40)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2009-08-29, 04:50:54 (68.3.73.243)
Well, the hand certainly works to note a difference. There are "point-and-shoot" digital temp readers that I don't believe are pricey, and can be used for any number of applications. It would be neat .......
115: RE: Quantum Tunneling (4.39)
Posted by Logan on 2011-11-12, 17:43:51 (125.237.89.36)
(1) Quantum tunnelling is not a process that one does to things. (2) "Cable Cooking" and cryogenic treatments are processes that one does to things like cables. To what end is infinitely debatable. No .......
116: Re: Cryogenics at home? Belt pens--which to use, and why not conventional art supply ones of same c (4.38)
Posted by monsterbill on 2001-06-12, 20:01:37 (207.105.246.24)
The study referred to in the link below suggests that dry ice cryogenics may be at a temperature low enough to achieve some permanent effects, though not as significant as the effects achieved through .......
117: Re: cryogenic maple footer blocks.... frooking awesome !!! (4.37)
Posted by moray james on 2003-11-13, 22:57:40 (209.197.148.162)
I use a LN2 heat exchange system and then do a complete deep immersion in LN2 so that the treated units go all the way down to liquid nitrogen and then sit there for a predetermined period of time bef .......
118: RE: Let's talk cryogenics (4.37)
Posted by 6bq5 on 2014-01-14, 11:13:35 (50.200.188.131)
So at the risk of asking a stupid question - What do we mean by the term Cryogenic / "Cryo'ed"? Are we immersing in Liquid Nitrogen? @-196 degrees C Would Dry Ice @ -78C be sufficient - we could make .......
119: Re: What exactly does cryogenic treatment do? (4.37)
Posted by Bob Wortman on 2003-04-06, 15:17:41 (24.151.76.89)
Its a wallet lightener. More audiogeek bs. People think that since cryo treating a brass trumpet changes the sound that cryo treating electrical components must do the same thing. Grain structure in m .......
120: RE: Need project box for power strip. (4.36)
Posted by ipdtt on 2014-11-29, 01:35:37 (24.23.255.94)
"what do I use for internal wiring?" How about VH Audio AC Bulk Power Wire; http://www.vhaudio.com/wire.html UNSHIELDED Twisted Pair (12 AWG X 2) is recommended for analog components and is specially .......
121: Re: Even with a somewhat entry-level high-end system? (4.36)
Posted by geoffkait on 2001-10-25, 06:55:40 (192.31.106.35)
High end is as high end does...some "tweaks" are actually more effective in modest systems than expensive ones, IMHO... plus on the overall scale of things, this might be one of those things you have .......
122: NY Times Article on Cryogenics and Musical Instruments (4.35)
Posted by decameron on 2003-11-19, 08:51:17 (63.100.65.1)
There is an interesting article in the November 17th issue of the NY Times entitled: "Hot Sounds From a Cold Trumpet? Cryogenic Theory Falls Flat. The URL is: http://nytimes.com/2003/11/18/science/18T .......
123: Re: Cryoing, Lowers the noise floor? (4.34)
Posted by Mike B. on 2006-05-16, 13:21:41 (71.34.246.133)
I speak from experience Mike. I have heard this a number of times. If you want scholarly opinion, please google it. .......
124: RE: Hubbell 8300H Oyaide R-0 or Maestro (4.34)
Posted by Duster on 2015-02-27, 15:39:53 (76.104.217.128)
"Do you suppose that the $2 Home Depot outlet is pure junk? So inferior are the materials that even superior cryo'ing can't improve it?" You don't seem to understand what cryo treatment can and cann .......
125: RE: Oyaide R1 outlet. (4.34)
Posted by ramw on 2016-08-23, 00:53:14 (199.203.37.197)
Premature posting again ? (-: Takes 100 to 200 hrs to break in. But there's another thing IMO that does bad things to imaging and that is cryogenic treatment, Back in the days when you could get regul .......
126: Re: Cryogenic fuse. ..... IsoClean Audio Grade Fuses (4.33)
Posted by Mike B. on 2005-10-17, 15:31:15 (209.180.232.154)
I have looked into doing fuses and breakers. The problem is the number of sizes or styles. You have a number of fuse values applicable to audio, and when it comes to circuit breakers, there are at lea .......
127: Does'nt it stand to reason that.............. (4.31)
Posted by kenster on 2005-10-18, 19:24:06 (71.36.54.22)
......if the molecular bond is tightened when a piece of metal, be it a rotor or a fuse, is put through a deep cryogenic treatment that current flow or in the case of the rotor, better heat dissipatio .......
128: Re: What exactly does cryogenic treatment do? (4.31)
Posted by Wally on 2003-04-07, 05:40:03 (81.7.58.141)
I'm personally convinced that strand crossing is a factor - I have been using solid core cable for over twenty years, and find that even non audio people can hear a difference. The fact that distortio .......
129: What exactly does cryogenic treatment do? (4.31)
Posted by rhizomatic on 2003-04-04, 14:46:35 (128.252.39.180)
Hi all, In the coming weeks I'm going to be getting an Acme Audio outlet, and I'm probably going to get the cryo'd version since it's my policy to get the 'top of the line' model of whatever I'm gett .......
130: audiophile grade circuit breaker (4.30)
Posted by stator_99@yahoo.com on 2015-12-09, 20:42:02 (166.137.90.47)
Just out of curiosity does anyone manufacture an " audiophile grade " circuit breaker for the circuit feeding a dedicated line for a audio system? Also have any of you had a stock circuit breaker cryo .......
131: Re: Cryogenic fuse. ..... IsoClean Audio Grade Fuses (4.30)
Posted by Tuckers on 2005-10-17, 22:30:07 (24.5.143.166)
Well the Isoclean fuses are $25. The improvement in sound over stock fuses was definitely worth $25, the improvements were substantial - deeper tighter bass, cleaner more extended highs, lower noise f .......
132: Cryogenics at home? Belt pens--which to use, and why not conventional art supply ones of same color (4.29)
Posted by Celluloid on 2001-06-12, 09:20:15 (168.122.16.29)
I realize there is a thread on this, so sorry if it bothers anyone to move this up the thread list. The first I ever heard of the cryrogenic technique is through Clark's columns/newsletter, perhaps de .......
133: Excellent interview. Should be required reading for all audiophiles. (4.29)
Posted by kenster on 2005-11-13, 18:57:15 (71.36.54.22)
Cryogenic treatment of metals is slowly but surely gaining acceptance in the scientific as well as the engineering worlds. No we cannot measure the differences just yet as we don't know how BUT the re .......
134: Re: Seymour. Met him several times as well (4.24)
Posted by Auricle on 2006-02-18, 08:07:23 (151.205.108.250)
and, because I was one of those who got private IBM briefings "back in the day", I asked him if he was doing any research on deep cryo to reduce his cooling requirements (Cray's refrigeration was inde .......
135: Re: Cryogenic fuse. ..... IsoClean Audio Grade Fuses (4.24)
Posted by Winnie on 2005-10-20, 08:48:02 (80.42.196.63)
Try these Just a bit easier to afford :) .......
136: Re: Cryogenic treatment (4.23)
Posted by bryan on 2000-03-21, 17:27:09 (163.185.125.101)
I might see Bill in a week or so regarding another project but don't plan on freezing anything myself for a couple of months. If you can wait until then, I'll let you know the results. If you are inte .......
137: RE: Not quite.... (4.21)
Posted by bcowen on 2016-09-25, 09:47:53 (104.14.166.252)
All this discussion on the Maestro piqued my curiosity, so with outlet in hand I paid a visit to my neighbor down the street. I knew he was an engineer for an electrical component manufacturer and wor .......
138: Walker SST Extreme? (4.21)
Posted by Deaf Ear on 2004-09-17, 11:20:32 (12.214.25.81)
I was surfing the net, trying to find retailers of Walker SST, when I came across a site promising a new, soon-to-be-released, improved cryogenic version. I can't find any other WWW reference to this- .......
139: Re: Oven tweaks... (4.20)
Posted by badman on 2001-02-21, 00:33:11 (128.6.246.209)
Hehe... The freezing is legit, there are images to be found of before/after metal crystal structure, and it is significantly tighter. Also, cryogenic tempering is sometimes used to extend the life of .......
140: Re: What exactly does cryogenic treatment do? (4.18)
Posted by Bob Wortman on 2003-04-07, 18:51:32 (24.151.76.89)
Well, no test equipment can match the complexity of the human brain but the ear is just plain not that sensitive. With test equipment,we can measure all kinds of distortions, phase shifts, and frequen .......
141: Re: NASA Ames Cryogenics Group (4.17)
Posted by Steve Eddy on 2005-11-14, 14:55:24 (66.81.85.159)
But jneutron made a good point: i.e., what's that have to do w/ price of spinach? Well let's see... if the government weren't spending so much money to support NASA/Ames cryogenic research, that's .......
142: Re: Cryogenic fuse. Skeptics will love this one!! (4.17)
Posted by moray james on 2005-10-17, 16:38:52 (209.197.147.123)
So: if this is what you hear by cryo treating just one fuse can you begin to imagine what happens when you cryo treat the whole component? The entire system??? Wonder why people who have and do cryo t .......
143: I'm not (4.16)
Posted by unclestu on 2013-01-13, 19:53:05 (74.87.55.18)
endorsing the sale of the Exorcist,just posting the explanation they give. Degaussing, however, is very different from anti static devices, although electricity and magnetism are intertwined always. Y .......
144: Re: cryogenic maple footer blocks.... frooking awesome !!! (4.15)
Posted by geoffkait on 2003-11-14, 14:50:03 (141.156.180.29)
don't mean to beat dead horse but still not sure what you are referring to... are these pucks made by Golden Sound or someone else? I thought I was familiar w/ Golden Sound products, but the pucks you .......
145: Cryogenic fuse. Skeptics will love this one!! (4.13)
Posted by kenster on 2005-10-17, 02:46:34 (71.36.54.22)
Thought I would give a fuse that has been cryogenically treated a try and damned if it did'nt make a considerable difference. I replaced the fuse in a Pass Labs Aleph3 amp and to sum up the last week .......
146: Re: cables in the freezer? with what results? (4.13)
Posted by olen on 2000-11-29, 22:54:33 (64.12.105.33)
For the more adventurous, you could try liquid nitrogen, I think you can buy it a welding supply stores, and it isn't very expensive. For the cryogenic process to really work you want to get as close .......
147: Cryo Rx---which company? (4.13)
Posted by Jon L on 2004-03-30, 12:44:49 (162.119.232.102)
I was calling around to cryo some Hubbel IG5362 outlets. Turns out Cryogenic international has minimum order of 75 pounds! Jena labs charges substantially more than others, but says their deep immersi .......
148: Why so rude? (4.12)
Posted by KCHANG on 2005-10-18, 12:50:18 (66.147.165.212)
Dave C: I am quite surprised by your rude tone. I did not even go as far as rejecting the alleged benefits of cryogenic treatment. All I did was asking him how he did his comparison, and pointing ou .......
149: RE: Quantum Tunneling (4.12)
Posted by Logan on 2011-11-14, 19:21:43 (125.237.89.36)
In summary, the above posts reveal that nobody participating in this thread, and certainly not the "manufacturer" or processor of this misnamed artifact, has any idea what quantum tunnelling actually .......
150: Re: What's with all the antagonism? (4.11)
Posted by Brian Walsh on 2000-06-26, 15:35:46 (209.49.216.242)
Putting something in the refrigerator is one thing. Dry ice is a step beyond that, and the 'deep freeze' cryogenic treatment is yet another. I can't say whether you'll achieve anything approaching the .......
151: Re: What exactly does cryogenic treatment do? (4.08)
Posted by Wally on 2003-04-07, 02:56:37 (81.7.60.67)
You really think the grain structure has no effect? To quote Audioquest: 'As for conducting materials, normal, high purity (tough pitch) copper has about 1500 grains in each foot (5000/m). The signal .......
152: Re: Cryogenic treatment (4.07)
Posted by Mart on 2000-03-22, 22:20:41 (150.193.16.190)
I too heard some story about annealing the residual stresses, by relieving the residual strains. Somehow since the atoms are compacted the historical stress-strain relationship is lost. That’s what wa .......
153: Re: what does cryogenic treatment do to copper? (4.06)
Posted by pkell44 on 2004-11-11, 18:28:04 (68.231.145.222)
It actually DOES improve the sonics of copper & copper wire, in my experience. Do a Google for cryo companies' websites and they will explain the effects and why. Everything I have had cryo'd (R's, Q' .......
154: freezers and hifi (4.04)
Posted by badman on 2001-02-20, 03:30:14 (128.6.246.64)
The idea is that if you cool equipment down to extremely low temparature, as in cryogenic treatment (not home freezers really) that the equipment realigns its structure on an atomic level to where the .......
155: Re: Cryogenic treatment (4.04)
Posted by Paul Kelly on 2000-03-26, 10:00:49 (63.23.159.82)
Caution : Engage brain before starting mouth ! I should have visited the website I listed before posting it. I have been on an extended hiatus from audio and have just begun getting my toes wet. It ap .......
156: Re: component cryoing experience (4.04)
Posted by satfrat on 2005-09-10, 13:12:34 (71.241.133.103)
Thanks for the support Moray, I'm planning on sending my Sunfire Theater Grand 4 procesor and two Butler 3150 tube hybrid amps out to Cryogenics International monday. CI seems to have the most experie .......
157: RE: R1 - cryoed or not? (4.04)
Posted by audiozorro on 2008-06-29, 11:43:59 (71.166.158.137)
VH Audio ships the Oyaide R1 with free deep cryogenic treatment - it wasn't an option. They offer an optional 6 day conditioning on cable cooker - whatever that means - for an additional cost. The R1 .......
158: RE: Results with cryogenic treatment (4.02)
Posted by Deaf Ear on 2010-11-12, 10:42:51 (70.247.96.43)
I had a PS Audio Soloist Premier Special Edition cryo'd. It was clearly better than the untreated Power Port Premier AC receptacle that it replaced (and it was excellent! ), but I never heard an uncry .......
159: Equipment functions better in cold? (4.02)
Posted by Frosty on 2000-06-22, 21:35:19 (4.54.197.142)
The purpose of cryogenic freezing is to slow down the molecules of the cables, correct? Now, wouldn't less movement of molecules in cables and other things let a signal pass through easier? Wouldn't k .......
160: sony blue ray fuses (4.00)
Posted by stator_99@yahoo.com on 2007-08-18, 21:19:58 (76.181.136.221)
I own a sony blue ray DVD player and I would like to replace the internal fuses with " hi fi tuning fuses " manufactured in Germany and available in the U.S. through Ultrasystems. These fuses are made .......
161: Re: liquid nitrogen (3.97)
Posted by geoffkait on 2000-11-30, 02:50:29 (216.164.132.171)
It's probably not a good idea to actually try this yourself at home, as the liquid nitrogen -300 deg Centigrade is difficult to work with and really requires large dewers or cryogenic coolers that are .......
162: CD burning (3.97)
Posted by stator_99@yahoo.com on 2008-02-03, 09:14:54 (76.181.128.201)
I think that I have read that burning a copy of a red book cd will result in a cd that sounds better than the original, is this so? Have any of you experimented with using a cryogenic treated blank di .......
163: Re: cryogenic AC receptacle (3.97)
Posted by Jerry P on 2003-12-07, 11:01:31 (12.75.69.198)
Do some searching here in tweaks. Start with the post below. Sony SCD-777ES >> Silver Audio SB 4.0 >> AI M3A >> Silver Audio Hyacinth >> Odyssey Stratos >> Tice 416A Bi-wire >> MG 1.6QR ::: TOP .......
164: RE: That (3.97)
Posted by geoffkait on 2013-01-16, 16:29:25 (174.227.128.51)
Solder melts at about 350 F not 700 F. Let's say for sake of argument the end of the wire is heated to 350 F during soldering. it's only the end of the wire, the rest of the wire is not heated. So the .......
165: Re: Cryogenic fuse. Skeptics will love this one!! (3.97)
Posted by Music Machine on 2005-10-17, 17:41:32 (71.110.148.61)
Haven't tried cryoed fuses, but one time I thought my system was not up to par. Seemed like the speakers were just not working well. Better speaker cables provided little or no benefit. Then I thought .......
166: Re: Question for any chemists out there? (3.97)
Posted by TAFKA Steve on 2003-02-05, 16:50:23 (209.51.206.49)
You can look up Chemical Analysis services in the phone book. Sample analysis could cost as little as a few hundred dollars, or several thousands depending on the tests required for identification of .......
167: RE: cryogenic treatment....home brew (3.96)
Posted by unclestu52 on 2007-08-19, 02:31:31 (63.16.17.238)
Yes you can purchase gallons of the stuff (liquid nitrogen). t will give you instant frostbite if it makes contact with your skin, and it displaces about a 1000 times its liquid volume possibly displa .......
168: Re: What exactly does cryogenic treatment do? (3.96)
Posted by moray james on 2003-04-07, 14:31:50 (209.197.183.86)
Sorry for the error in units my meter has been set to read fahrenheit degrees. I made a mistake in thinking it was set to read in C. So my reading was minus 320 degrees F. All real cold justr the same .......
169: RE: Cooking and cryoing.... (3.95)
Posted by rick_m on 2009-09-06, 18:41:40 (64.13.14.96)
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I think a great deal of understanding can be gleaned just by observing how different styles of construction and different materials react to burning or freezing. I'm n .......
170: RE: Ahhh.... (3.88)
Posted by May Belt on 2007-08-26, 08:11:31 (80.177.28.171)
Appreciated unclestu. Peace all round. Now we have calm, can we continue to look at the subject of freezing - irrespective of whether it is freezing using a domestic deep freezer or freezing using c .......
171: Re: Best tweak for $250.00 or under? (3.86)
Posted by kenster on 2005-10-14, 02:26:47 (143.183.121.1)
The room treatment and the WBT connector's are really good and sound ideas. I noticed you didn't say anything about Power conditioning or tweaks of that sort. IMHO, your biggest ROI will be upgrading .......
172: Re: Cut a Bybee (3.86)
Posted by john curl on 2005-05-25, 15:48:30 (24.7.90.37)
For once, an intelligent response. Jack does mention yttrium, neodymium and lanthanum oxides, as well is some other rare earth. From my experience, the coating is inert to air, water, and general so .......
173: Try doing it yourself first! (3.85)
Posted by drdna on 2006-02-15, 19:57:59 (69.181.54.38)
Having compared items frozen at "cryogenic" temperatures to those I simply put in my deep freeze, I did not find a major difference. Both were improved. I would suggest that before you pay for a "cryo .......
174: Re: cryogenic AC receptacle (3.85)
Posted by blake on 2003-12-07, 12:34:49 (209.29.86.142)
They are very much worth buying. You will be shocked at what they do if you have a decent system. Keep in mind that the effects are cumulative; you will get better results running a system entirely of .......
175: Re: Cryogenics, is it measurable? (3.81)
Posted by Dick Hertz on 2000-06-26, 09:00:35 (216.55.130.49)
Shawn- I can understand the fact that there may not be aby cryogenic experts here. I was asking if anyone knew of an objective experiment conducted on the effects of cryogenics on audio CD's. You've g .......
176: Re: cryogenic maple footer blocks.... frooking awesome !!! (3.81)
Posted by moray james on 2003-11-14, 13:48:53 (209.197.148.62)
They make a device which looks just like a hockey puck, same shape and approximate size. The pucks are made from what looks to be the same material as the cones and they have a woven carbon fiber top .......
177: RE: cryogenic treatment....home brew (3.81)
Posted by Mike B. on 2007-08-19, 09:16:30 (71.34.247.228)
most do not use direct immersion. The process is computer controlled to ramp temps down and back up using vapor injection into the chamber. Direct immersion from room temp is very risky. I had some su .......
178: RE: DIY cyro (3.80)
Posted by unclestu52 on 2008-05-20, 12:34:13 (63.16.0.203)
Yes, some noticeably audible effects can be heard and they are rather permanent. Dry ice is about -100 degrees F and while probably not as effective at liquid nitrogen it will still give you a taste o .......
179: Re: Cryogenic treatment (3.79)
Posted by Jon Risch on 2000-03-21, 21:42:10 (209.215.72.164)
This is supposed to be one of the 'secrets' to several cable manufacturers and at elast one power line conditioner. Tice supposedly uses a proprietary cryo treatment on their cables, and the power con .......
180: RE: tailpieces (3.78)
Posted by unclestu on 2015-03-28, 00:51:42 (72.130.117.241)
The more layers of mu metal the better the EMF isolation. Now the plating is basically pure nickel is a mumetal without the cryogenic treatment. SO rather than use mumetal ( expensive and you know I a .......
181: Re: Is it possible do cryo cable and connector at home? (3.77)
Posted by pkell44 on 2005-07-14, 18:42:35 (68.231.140.144)
Check the archives a year or so back for "Cold Treatment" w/dry ice and an upright freezer (not on atop a refrigerator). However, this will only give you an inkling of what true cryogenic treatment wi .......
182: Questions on cryogenic freezing (3.75)
Posted by Frosty on 2000-06-22, 19:10:27 (4.54.197.142)
This concept is new to me; I just heard about it yesterday. I heard that dry ice will help, but not as much as liquid nitrogen. I will use dry ice because liquid nitrogen is not available to me. Firs .......
183: RE: Oy.... (3.75)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2007-08-10, 19:21:29 (24.221.101.222)
There must be umpteen thousand cryo labs out there, each bragging that their procedure is the best in the world. Several, perhaps....and some don't brag. They just do the work quietly as intended. .......
184: Re: No......the key words (3.75)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2002-06-14, 09:21:38 (24.221.101.222)
are cryogenic treatment. Vincenzo's opinion came AFTER he did the research, testing, and evaluation. Do some research and testing yourself and perhaps you'll formulate the same "opinion" that he did. .......
185: RE: Freezing CD's MY RESULTS (3.74)
Posted by geoffkait on 2007-08-18, 09:08:10 (71.252.95.188)
One of the interesting things that freezing, like cryogenic treatment, does to the disc is "squeeze" mold release compound in the polycarbonate layer to the surface. You can see this chemical as a clo .......
186: RE: Cryo'ed circuit breakers (3.74)
Posted by wood1 on 2013-07-01, 20:04:46 (108.52.103.163)
Cryogenic treatment is used extensively in the racing industry (NASCAR,NHRA,etc.) with proven results. I've been repairing cars for 37 years and I'm familiar with a lot of the studies done to prove th .......
187: Re: cryogenic maple footer blocks.... frooking awesome !!! (3.73)
Posted by moray james on 2003-11-13, 22:50:29 (209.197.148.162)
I have sucessfully treated numerous DH cones as well as cones which were sampled by thier Canadian distributor and the factory boys in Vegas this spring. They turned out very well. The pucks on the ot .......
188: Re: Not optical. Electrical (3.71)
Posted by ChrisVH on 2006-02-17, 11:58:01 (24.167.192.12)
The late Seymour Cray (Godfather of Supercomputers) used Freon to cool his computers because those things ran REALLY, REALLY hot. It had nothing to do with cryogenic treatment of the material itself, .......
189: Re: Anyone using Kapton wire to diy interconnect? (3.71)
Posted by jneutron on 2005-08-24, 11:24:18 (130.199.3.3)
Jacques: "" Most of the time, kapton insulated wires have a double shealth, the inner being kapton, and the outer being a slipperier layer like silicon or PTFE "" We use tefzel as the outer coat..as .......
190: an addition (3.69)
Posted by unclestu52 on 2007-08-13, 22:48:05 (63.16.27.2)
Got a private email from a person involved in the cryogenic business, and he confirms that the plastic substrate is being affected. The claim is that the freezing indeed reduces residual stresses in t .......
191: Re: Cryogenic treatment (3.67)
Posted by bryan on 2000-03-21, 15:56:22 (163.185.125.101)
I was over at Bill Perkins (Pearl) a while back and he said he was getting a pair of Jennifer's JenaLab interconnect in for a freeze. I have no idea if if received them yet. Bill offered to freeze all .......
192: Re: Cryomania (3.66)
Posted by Dr. Freeze on 2003-06-17, 11:45:01 (67.3.220.159)
Hello, I am Charles with Cryogenics International. I try to offer the best service at good prices for the audiophile community. Nothing is perfect, but in general, I believe our process offers the bes .......
193: RE: Cryo'ed circuit breakers (3.65)
Posted by geoffkait on 2013-07-03, 05:03:04 (174.236.232.36)
Fuses of players, preamps, amplifiers, etc. have been routinely cryo'd for at least a decade, without issue, the tiny delicate filament of the fuse manages to survive every time. There is no reason wh .......
194: RE: You guys (3.65)
Posted by ionman on 2013-01-24, 09:53:54 (198.175.253.81)
Hi Jerry, To improve the sound of my stereo system, of course! :) I haven't heard of any issues so far with the Hifi Tuning fuses having any issues when installed in an electronic component. Do you kn .......
195: VH Audio (3.65)
Posted by RadioWonder on 2018-02-07, 12:45:50 (67.1.231.37)
10-2 Cryogenically Treated Romex (10 AWG) is fantastic for dedicated lines and is UL approved for in-wall AC power use. Deep Cryogenic treatment. by American Cryogenics, using a proprietary process de .......
196: Re: Some further thoughts.... (3.65)
Posted by Fred J on 2005-10-08, 22:45:32 (24.159.231.129)
Stu- Would you consider the folks selling the $500 Wooden Knobs and $6000.00 volume controls as having any validity or being on the level ? If you had the financial wherewithal, would you consider a .......
197: Currently have a Shunyata "Copperhead" PC in for audition. (3.64)
Posted by kenster on 2005-10-18, 19:01:59 (71.36.54.22)
As you may know, all the components on this PC have been thru deep cryogenic immersion that Shunyata has inhouse. Very solid build quality..somewhat stiff and a little difficult to work with but not t .......
198: Speaking of Oyaide, I just built a few power cords... (3.63)
Posted by EdM on 2006-02-13, 05:45:20 (64.186.238.210)
using the P-079 & C-079 but Cryoed- from Chris Venhouse - also using some of his 12 gauge shielded wire- also cryoed. For a little over $200 per cord the improvement is quite astonishing. In my system .......
199: I don't believe what (3.63)
Posted by unclestu52 on 2007-08-18, 12:21:07 (63.16.60.26)
was not heard is due to a matter of prejudice. I trust the guy to actually make an honest assessment. Freezing a disc, while audible to myself, has not been deemed significant enough for a number of p .......
200: Re: There is nickel plating...... (3.63)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2003-04-20, 18:47:57 (24.221.101.222)
......and there is nickel plating. As you may know, there are various grades. Hubbell uses what is termed "bright nickel" plating, which to my knowledge, is the best quality and has the greatest durab .......
Found 2 records in Vintage Asylum.
1: RE: HK Citation II Rebuild ala Jim McShane (7.70)
Posted by sachind4u on 2013-07-16, 23:20:32 (219.91.144.218)
Hi, I have recently bought HK citation II and need to replace one faulty GE KT88, have zeroed on quad God Lion reissue KT88 to replace all. Can any one advised me if it is necessary to but cryogenic t .......
2: Second trip to Binghamton was the charm! (7.70)
Posted by E-Stat on 2008-12-04, 21:54:21 (206.255.204.18)
When business takes you to Binghamton, NY, what would any audiophile like to do? Naturally, it would be to tour the McIntosh facility located there. I was there in November, but my tight schedule work .......
Found 44 records in Vinyl Asylum.
1: Re: Just because you can't imagine it... (10.33)
Posted by Fred J on 2006-01-11, 21:08:01 (24.159.230.169)
Doug I haven't the least problem accepting your Cryoing results with razor blades or the rollers as they are steel alloys and an actual Cryogenic treatment will remove inherent stresses and migrate C .......
2: Re: I disagree... (10.33)
Posted by Fred J on 2006-12-16, 11:58:54 (69.218.136.62)
We'll apparently just have to agree to disagree, as my contention is that these audio bits aren't actually cryogenic ally treated in the first place, as well as the fact that only certain Steel Alloy .......
3: My take on it... (9.81)
Posted by mosin on 2006-12-16, 09:44:06 (69.246.183.42)
Cold tempering fills voids at a molecular level. It would serve to take out any stresses in the cartridge, but whether it would improve the sound is the question. My feeling is that it might, dependin .......
4: Cryogenic treatment... (9.53)
Posted by EdAInWestOC on 2010-10-15, 11:33:03 (65.220.60.170)
would not help your nose. Ed .......
5: Re: Fred....you are *completely* wrong on all counts. (8.90)
Posted by Fred J on 2005-02-17, 17:55:23 (24.241.224.13)
I am absolutely highly opinionated, and I have had a great deal of experience dealing with actual (read REAL)cryogenic treatment in the form of having rifle barrels cryogenically treated, one of my c .......
6: RE: Record cleaning machine questions (8.61)
Posted by Fred J on 2010-03-13, 11:16:55 (76.204.90.199)
Would Cryogenic treatment improve the noise suppression with these muffs ? .......
7: RE: Cryogenic treatment... (8.39)
Posted by Fred J on 2010-10-15, 11:47:40 (96.42.18.2)
Cryoing my toes would bother me much as the peripheral neuropathy already deadened them up pretty well. Regards Ferd .......
8: Re: My take on it... (8.39)
Posted by Fred J on 2006-12-16, 10:16:51 (69.218.136.62)
mosin With rifle barrels the usefulness of Cryogenic treatment (which BTW is actual cryogenics unlikr the Audio Scam cryo ) is dependant upon the specific barrel steel alloy as well as the way it's b .......
9: Re: No it doesn't. (8.21)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2005-02-17, 21:15:56 (24.221.101.222)
There is no 'heating' process within normal cryogenic treatment, other than the proper evacuation of warmer air (a narrow layer) at the top of a dewar. This allows the coldest temperature possible to .......
10: Re: 'call a priest' (8.15)
Posted by mosin on 2004-03-15, 18:57:22 (68.220.232.224)
Those who didn't hear the difference failed to ask the priest for holy cryogenic treatment of the wires before his blessing. ;) .......
11: RE: Actually, I have heard them.... (8.02)
Posted by Stitch on 2008-11-04, 11:30:59 (84.156.114.119)
What's that? A resistor? Is it cryogenic treated? Is the red hood made from a NASA engineer? :) This is a cryogenically treated Signature .......
12: Maybe... (8.02)
Posted by Tbone on 2001-02-22, 12:25:49 (64.5.192.252)
you should post your 'experiment' on the Cryogenic Post above. Take care (of 'it') John, TBone .......
13: RE: DL-103 Body: Mpingo or Panga Panga? (7.99)
Posted by Fred J on 2011-03-07, 15:56:46 (96.42.18.2)
Absolutely ! Don't skimp on the snake oil ! And sticking that puppy in the freezer next to the Green beans for a week or two (Cryogenic treatment) prior to potting the Cartridge not a bad idea eithe .......
14: In my experience .... cryo does work. (7.25)
Posted by Elmo on 2005-02-18, 06:43:03 (172.198.151.26)
While I have encountered one single vodka, that tweren't too bad room temp. All the rest benefitted significantly from cryogenic treatment. So, officially, I want to go on record as a fan of cryo trea .......
15: I'd assume your friends WRX gained at least 15 HP (7.05)
Posted by vinyl-addict on 2006-12-16, 15:25:33 (71.131.220.30)
Why only 15HP? C'mon Fred, I think you can come up with a more exact number than that given your cryogenic educational background, I assume you are well versed in the art of "all things cryo'd?. Betwe .......
16: RE: Fleetwood Mac - Rumours 45 rpm arrived - advice needed (7.03)
Posted by Fred J on 2011-05-25, 18:53:29 (96.42.18.2)
After Cryogenic treatment the record should be kept in a light tight hermetically sealed chamber filled with Helium, avoid looking at the record just luxuriate in the fact that in your own small way y .......
17: Re: Absolutely not so. (6.87)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2003-01-31, 18:16:08 (24.221.101.222)
Please confine your opinions to that which you have DIRECTLY EXPERIENCED, and enough of the grossly-exaggerated and overly-perjorative "snake oil" crap. You simply DON'T KNOW. Unless you've done some .......
18: Is this question Seasonal Affective Disorder oriented? (6.78)
Posted by tubesforever on 2007-03-01, 14:49:22 (151.151.73.167)
Actually I enjoy this subject. Vinyl is highly pliable as a media so you would really have to dramatically change its temp to get it it to shrink or expand to an area you could hear any change. Even .......
19: I got a live performance recording on Laser-disc (6.57)
Posted by jeromelang on 2003-08-14, 16:36:47 (165.21.154.10)
Bought in Japan. I haven't played it in a while. The reason the ceedee of TWII sounds steely and metallic is due mainly to Macussen. Actually compared to the LP, the CD is more dynamic. Given some tre .......
20: RE: Agreed (6.33)
Posted by Fred J on 2010-05-10, 10:39:31 (96.42.18.2)
IMO Cryogenic-ally treated audio components of any sort are even more ridiculous than the upscale $$$ Cable thing, where do you come up with this drek ? Actual Cryoogenic treatment would most certainl .......
21: RE: Headshell clips source? (6.29)
Posted by mosin on 2007-07-01, 19:32:26 (69.246.183.42)
No, and no. Cryogenic treatment changes the material at a molecular level by filling voids through crystallization. Whether it favorably affects the performance of wire in a run as short as is found i .......
22: Re: Nope. Have done quite a few.... (6.25)
Posted by kenster on 2005-11-15, 17:59:28 (71.36.54.22)
Excellent question and one I will try to answer. All the tweaks are cumulative but I have lived with the EAR834p with the above mentioned tweaks for 2 years before doing the AC inlet socket upgrade so .......
23: RE: Input on weird speed issue with TD-124 MkII (5.89)
Posted by BPoletti on 2014-03-03, 13:25:20 (99.21.55.157)
It's obviously a gravitational orthoflonic problem. Most likely related to old vacuum. The 45 RPM speed circuit needs perangulation to compensate for dark matter infused into the pre-ground zero phase .......
24: I am going to dip my LP's in that liquid rubber stuff for screw drivers and pliers.... (5.80)
Posted by tubesforever on 2007-03-14, 23:51:47 (71.94.23.106)
If it will protect those handtools, it should be perfect for the LP's. Wonder if I can buy a 50 gallon drum of this stuff reasonably priced. Makes storing invaluable vinyl in acid ridden paper storage .......
25: Too valuable to play (5.77)
Posted by Frank_Locke on 2003-09-10, 20:12:59 (165.247.39.21)
I have a number of records in my collection that are so rare, so valuable, that I won't even look at them myself, let alone show them to another or, heaven forbid, play them. Most are still sealed, ta .......
26: Re: Cryogenics (5.66)
Posted by Fred J on 2005-02-17, 14:07:39 (24.241.224.13)
I almost admire the bastards, at least they aren't conning lonely and sick elderly women out of $50 so they have to choose between feeding the kitty or getting their prescription filled like their TV .......
27: Re: Cryogenics and Vinyl Holography (5.59)
Posted by Brian Walsh on 2001-02-22, 16:11:08 (209.49.216.242)
No, don't "dip" records or CDs directly into liquid nitrogen. Cryogenic freezing of such should be done typically in a computer controlled (inner) chamber around which is an outer chamber through whic .......
28: Re: Request information on cryogenic treatment. (5.55)
Posted by tcain on 2003-02-02, 12:06:33 (66.97.93.244)
Benefits could range from fairly non-existant to fully astounding. Barring materials problems, the benfits relating to the magnets alone in a cartridge would be substantial. Effectively re-alloying me .......
29: Re: I don't believe you. (5.33)
Posted by Fred J on 2005-02-17, 17:24:04 (24.241.224.13)
I have been robbed like that and I gave the guy my chump wad, he just grinned as if to say "Do you think I just rolled off the turnip truck" and pressed the blade harder at which point I removed the w .......
30: You might be a Vinyl Redneck if............ (5.30)
Posted by aaird on 2002-05-13, 15:42:15 (206.162.192.40)
The MusicDirect bill gets paid before the power and gas companies do... The Kids have holes in their hand-me-down jeans but The IC's you just got delivered overnight from Switzerland are Yellow Gold 2 .......
31: RE: Thorens Reference no. 34 gets new lease on life.... with WayBack Machine (5.30)
Posted by J.D. on 2008-07-15, 11:05:31 (76.91.197.88)
James Danforth "Dan" Quayle marble bust from the Senate collection Apparently returning to the era before the defeat of the Evil Empire by Ronald Reagan, George HW Bush, and Dan Quayle .... This r .......
32: Re: PS: if you want (5.10)
Posted by Fred J on 2006-01-05, 22:35:05 (24.159.230.169)
It's state of mind, with various combinations of denial (it is more than a river) delusion, illusion and outright fantasy, Stuff like cable cookers, profound sonic differences due to wire direction .......
33: As you already know... (4.99)
Posted by mosin on 2007-04-17, 21:37:51 (69.246.183.42)
Dr. FeRdj knew a man who discovered the remnants of Noah's Ark partially buried in a Romanian hillside. What you may not know is that he smuggled a small quantity of the planks into the United States, .......
34: Re: Cryogenics (4.92)
Posted by Fred J on 2005-02-17, 12:41:14 (24.241.224.13)
It's preposterous to the n'th degree cryoing involves stress relief and the migration of certain structures (carbide crystals) to the surface with certain specific steel alloys for special application .......
35: RE: You're right... (4.84)
Posted by timothywas1@comcast.net on 2019-05-13, 06:58:51 (107.77.173.3)
I've just checked back in Ed in the west, good suggestions,and I'm a believer in better cabling, I'll look into the audioquest. The Hurron sounds tempting as do the other choices, some from a very ver .......
36: Re: Fred....you are *completely* wrong on all counts. (4.72)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2005-02-17, 17:33:28 (24.221.101.222)
Not only is some of your information factually wrong (such as "heating the object up") about the cryogenic process, but you are commenting on something with which you obviously have *no* knowledge and .......
37: Re: Cryogenics of audio gear? (4.55)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2003-01-31, 18:29:28 (24.221.101.222)
Cables, yes......wholeheartedly. Cocobolo plinth, no. Aluminum and PVC platters......perhaps. They won't be harmed. Sonically, it would be a guessing game, and you aren't A--B'ing them (are you?) to d .......
38: Request information on cryogenic treatment. (4.47)
Posted by mr.bear on 2003-02-02, 11:29:49 (152.163.207.177)
Please let’s keep this a forum for open discussion and free expression of opinions, however informed, on all matters. I won't tolerate being shouted-down for expressing my opinion on the validity of a .......
39: Re: Now, now, Fred ... :-)) (4.42)
Posted by Fred J on 2006-12-16, 15:15:31 (69.218.136.62)
Andy " Likewise, a rally-driving mate of mine reckoned cryoing parts of his WRX engine made it go faster!! :-))" Actually in this case it's is pretty much a given, as legitimately Cryogenic ally tre .......
40: A DIY phono stage power supply review (4.22)
Posted by jedrider on 2013-11-09, 13:23:09 (50.168.44.33)
OK, I posted pics on the DIY topic (to live among crystals, low frequency EMI and cryogenic tweaks). I knew I wasn't enjoying LP playback as much as I should, not that I didn't have good experiences, .......
41: Re: Consider this, (3.96)
Posted by Fred J on 2006-01-31, 01:28:36 (24.159.230.169)
" It's not perfect, but how do you clean that stuff that you drop the cart into? Or do you just let the contaminates build up? " I think I prefer a new surface, or at least a renewed surface, if I am .......
42: RE: I'm sold on synthetics (3.31)
Posted by Fred J on 2010-08-24, 22:17:56 (96.42.18.2)
gary The Diesel boat was an old WWII Fleet boat it had however gone though a number of refits and yard periods where they installed a snorkel mast and then a whole bunch of high tech electronics, son .......
43: Re: ADC XLM Mk II/ ADC XLM Mk II Improved VS Shure V15 III? Any advice? (2.92)
Posted by Fred J on 2006-08-31, 17:13:14 (64.136.49.226)
My personal experience with the V15 III, is ancient, but I 'd set up a Thorens TD 125 SME 3009 series III(Ultralight eff mass) carrying a V15 III with a NOS Shure Elliptic. Stylus he left it at my h .......
44: Audio Charity Auctions closing today..... (2.52)
Posted by Rod M on 2001-09-24, 08:18:46 (204.94.81.82)
Check out all this cool stuff! Bid totals for the event are now over $103K. Thank you all! Charity Auctions: Ending Today Bid Ends Plinius 8200 Integrated .......
Found 1 records in Video Asylum.
1: sony blue ray player fuses (6.42)
Posted by stator_99@yahoo.com on 2007-08-17, 21:32:18 (76.181.129.25)
I own a Sony Blue Ray player which I am very happy with, I would like to experiment with replacing the fuses with " hi fi tuning fuses " manufactured in Germany and distributed by Ultra Systems in PA. .......
Found 25 records in Bottlehead Forum.
1: A cryogenic freezing comment (10.16)
Posted by VoltSecond on 2000-09-10, 10:57:06 (63.225.213.227)
Don't cryogenic freeze speakers or recorded tape. You stand a good chance of de-gaussing (erasing) them. Different magnetic materials de-gauss at different temperatures. I'd don't have a list of the t .......
2: Re: Cryogenic treatments (10.16)
Posted by lak on 2002-11-20, 16:17:21 (63.166.37.175)
If the cryogenic treatment is done correctly it should not hurt a thing. You usually need –310 run on a special time table for 8-24 hours depending upon the item being treated. It’s rare but some comp .......
3: Re: Ever hear a cryogenically treated tube? (9.83)
Posted by Brian Walsh on 2000-10-14, 11:54:14 (64.81.26.45)
Discussion threads come up on the AA periodically on cryogenic treatment, so I suggest searching the archives. The topic has been covered in Stereophile, and recent issues of Bound for Sound discuss c .......
4: Cryogenic treatments (8.11)
Posted by TPM on 2002-11-20, 14:59:00 (207.229.4.8)
There is a company locally that has a large cryogenic treatment facility for engines etc, and in talking with the proprietor he said I could throw a bunch of stuff in a box in the corner of the facili .......
5: Re: Cryogenic treatments (7.81)
Posted by Goofey on 2002-11-21, 07:54:33 (131.164.188.7)
Will -36 degree celcius do it? Regards Goofey .......
6: frozen tubes (7.12)
Posted by A. Dorf on 2006-12-18, 17:12:53 (69.11.248.38)
Has anyone tried any of the cryogenic treated tubes ? seems to be a interesting slant if nothing else. .......
7: Re: KNOB ROLLING (7.08)
Posted by mrclassicman on 2004-01-24, 03:18:32 (207.91.240.150)
Neat, I would like to try a set of those except that the cryogenic chamber that my 4play operates in might cause that lacker (he,he) to peal. But Big Brass knobs must be better. Terry ::: TOPIC .......
8: Re: KNOB ROLLING (6.88)
Posted by mrclassicman on 2004-01-24, 03:18:32 (207.91.240.150)
Neat, I would like to try a set of those except that the cryogenic chamber that my 4play operates in might cause that lacker (he,he) to peal. But Big Brass knobs must be better. Terry .......
9: Re: A cryogenic freezing comment (6.88)
Posted by Doc B. on 2000-09-10, 19:02:46 (24.12.235.34)
Cryo a recorded tape? Never heard of that one. The guys I know bake old master tapes to spiff them up before making a digital master. .......
10: Re: Cryogenic service web site (6.78)
Posted by BFitz on 2001-04-25, 00:25:38 (24.25.148.123)
Check out the GOLF section of the above web site for the vibration and damping change plots. Know I know what to get my dad for his birthday... .......
11: Cryogenic service web site (6.60)
Posted by JRutter on 2001-04-24, 19:47:06 (198.182.208.47)
This comes up from time-to-time, so when I saw this site I thought I would add it to the archives here. No experience with the subject or this company. -JR Performance Cryogenics .......
12: Cryogenic silver plated fuse holder (6.56)
Posted by Caddis on 2006-07-11, 13:10:03 (148.177.1.213)
Although I doubt you could tell the difference between this and the one from the Rat Shack, but who knows. It seems cheap enough. Audiofool fuses, such as Isoclean, would complete the package, but are .......
13: Re: Cryogenic treatments (6.30)
Posted by Mike F on 2002-11-20, 16:18:12 (205.188.208.104)
I have done the home version of this process with very good results. I understand that carbon comp resistors will not suvive this treatment. But I have done wire and tubes with good results. I never t .......
14: Thanks for the responses (6.15)
Posted by mrclassicman on 2005-01-17, 08:47:42 (207.91.240.150)
Well it would appear that I will now have to get to work and build up about twelve more sets of these cables just to keep happy. Before I knew there was a difference it was easy to shrug it off as no .......
15: It was just a heads up. (6.10)
Posted by VoltSecond on 2000-09-10, 21:17:25 (209.180.141.191)
Someone was asking me how to do cryogenic freezing on their own. A long time ago I had to find out why a permanent magnet lost some of it's field strength. It was because it got too cold. The B in the .......
16: Re: Cryogenic treatments (5.70)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2002-11-20, 21:42:02 (24.221.101.222)
I've cryo'd tubes. Clearly better, and I do mean clearly. Greater clarity, and a greater sense of air and quieter background as well. And I've cryo'd cabling, duplex receptacles, AC line conditioners, .......
17: Re: Clarity caps (5.47)
Posted by Doc B. on 2004-03-10, 17:05:21 (24.16.170.58)
I agree that there can be cases where a person "designs" a filter in their brain to deal with a component's shortcomings. But that does not automatically exclude the phenomenon of sonic break-in. What .......
18: Re: No...... (5.42)
Posted by alan m. kafton on 2002-11-21, 08:18:57 (24.221.101.222)
To quote a passage from Cryogenics International: Deep cryogenics is the ultra low temperature processing of materials to enhance their desired metallurgical and structural properties. In our case, th .......
19: Re: Source for Cryogenic treatment of tubes (4.71)
Posted by setriode on 2002-11-25, 05:39:42 (203.59.10.9)
Bill Perkins of Pearl HiFi in Calgary (link below) cryo treats pre and power tubes. He tests them afterwards and grades and matches them. He is very experienced at doing this and I believe all dealers .......
20: Re: cooling tubes in freezer section of refrigerator (4.64)
Posted by Doc B. on 2000-10-13, 09:46:15 (24.12.235.34)
I'd suggest looking into cryogenic treatment on the web. There's a fair amount of info available on how the process is performed commercially. The magnitude and delta of the temperature seem to be con .......
21: One more thing... (4.26)
Posted by Brian Walsh on 2000-10-15, 18:32:46 (64.81.26.45)
Your understanding of cryogenic treatment relaxing residual stresses is correct, as far as I know. You do not want to have someone use equipment where the liquid nitrogen comes in direct contact with .......
22: Re: Cryogenic treatments (4.20)
Posted by Janos on 2002-11-20, 21:11:42 (128.171.209.65)
For me it worked well on all DIY cables that I have tried so far. The CD has also survived the treatment, and although it was a CD burned from mp3 (sic, but I could not find an original of Basil Puled .......
23: Re: Cryogenics of Foreplay and Seduction? (4.18)
Posted by TPM on 2003-01-30, 10:56:55 (207.229.4.8)
Coincedently I dropped my foreplay, Paraglow II's, Exception like pre, ART DIO, all cables including rolls of cables yet to be made, resistors, a few CD's, IEC's, P&S receptacles and finally the kitch .......
24: Re: Cryogenic treatment of Foreplay (3.90)
Posted by TPM on 2003-02-24, 12:33:37 (207.229.4.8)
Several weeks ago Stylin LP asked about cryo treating the Foreplay and Seduction. Coincidentally it was while I was getting my Foreplay etc cryo'd. Shortly after I reported having some issues. I have .......
25: RE: Transformer Break-In? (3.60)
Posted by Doc B. on 2008-04-12, 10:05:57 (24.22.227.62)
Component break in is actually quite simple to demonstrate. You just have to go to the trouble to do the experiment of replacing a brand new component with an identical component that has been run for .......
Found 1 records in DIY HiFi Forum.
1: Thanks KYW and Brian for your suggestions (6.70)
Posted by yowser on 2003-04-22, 17:16:29 (205.245.23.160)
I have seen both the GE 6072A and Tung-Sol 5687 tubes offered in the cryogenic version. Would either of you have any experience with these? A search of the forums indicates that users are split as to .......
Found 7 records in Power Forum.
1: cryogenic treatment (11.55)
Posted by stator_99@yahoo.com on 2004-02-25, 12:28:13 (69.164.156.29)
Hi Paul, There are various vendors that sell duplex receptacles that have been cryogenic treated, I am curious, have you ever had a PS Audio Power Port Cryogenic treated to see if it improved the soun .......
2: Re: cryogenic treatment (11.55)
Posted by paulmc on 2004-02-25, 13:57:43 (216.38.220.162)
No I have not but it's on my long list of things to try. Others have and remark about the improvements. .......
3: Re: cryogenic treatment (6.43)
Posted by Schilke B1 on 2004-02-25, 17:49:05 (64.75.188.50)
Why not just buy two PP's, drop one in some liquid nitrogen, then do an A/B listen? .......
4: Re: cryogenic treatment (6.31)
Posted by stator_99@yahoo.com on 2004-02-26, 16:16:34 (69.164.156.29)
Is it actually as simple as immeresing an object in liquid nitrogen? How would one go about purchasing some I wonder? .......
5: Re: cryogenic treatment (6.31)
Posted by Schilke B1 on 2004-02-26, 16:56:25 (64.75.181.156)
BTW, You will need a thermus, or well insulated vessel to keep or transport liquid nitrogen, since it's boiling temp is so low. .......
6: bybee signature line conditioner (6.08)
Posted by xero on 2003-01-05, 19:18:13 (24.205.80.5)
hello all, i have a few questions regarding the old bybee signature line conditioner. 1) can more bybee filters be added? 2) what type of outlets are in these line conditioners? 3) how does this and t .......
7: Re: cryogenic treatment (4.89)
Posted by Schilke B1 on 2004-02-26, 16:53:17 (64.75.181.156)
I would guess that the short answer is yes, just immerse it - but for how long - 15 min, 24 hours, 1 month - does it make any difference? Just don't get burned, or drop your prize PP before it returns .......
Found 1 records in Wine Asylum.
1: Thank you so much! A couple more questions... (4.67)
Posted by Wine Nouveau on 2000-10-17, 18:57:32 (199.66.15.252)
I especially find that bigger wines tend to show more alcoholic >>when they are very warm. What exactly do you mean by bigger? >> my wife and I always put a bottle of red that has been at room tempera .......
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