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In Reply to: very weak "evidence" - I invite others to post if they hear this posted by tunenut on April 28, 2003 at 12:53:12:
Richard Kern has said he's heard this, but feels that it's subtle enough to be of no real concern. Ole Lund Christensen believes it's real, and has reportedly designed his CD players to minimize or avoid any differences based on track selection. Other folks in the industry are apparently familar with the phenomenon as well. For me, I do usually hear a slightly sharper focus and better imaging when I skip backwards 10-12 seconds into a track. The effect seems greater to me on CD than it does on SACD (but is still audible on SACDs). Since I had Richard install his transport mod in my 777ES, I'm a bit less inclined to restart tracks, but I still do it fairly often. Both 'locked' and 'unlocked' modes of play have improved notably, but I still can hear some difference between them.I don't know if Jerome's explanation for this effect is the correct one, nor do I know that all CD transports exhibit this problem. Jerome has found some evidence that it may be fairly widespread, but if I couldn't hear it on my system with merely cursory listening, I'm sure I would quickly forget about track access differences. It certainly does disrupt the listening experience, trying to repeat the beginning of every track on each CD.
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Topic - For those who espouse the virtues of vinyl ... Help me to understand ... - Striving for Musical Clarity 08:13:29 04/27/03 ( 102)
- Thanks a lot for all these responses. Now I understand. Had I hung in there with vinyl and ... - Striving for Musical Clarity 07:40:35 04/29/03 ( 0)
Don't forget... - John 06:18:01 04/29/03 ( 0)
It's been said before... - Willie The Squid 13:04:20 04/28/03 ( 0)
For its opponents, vinyl is all about noise... - clarkjohnsen 09:48:57 04/28/03 ( 0)
Here is the DEFINITIVE answer!!!! - Frank P 08:24:24 04/28/03 ( 0)
Re: For those who espouse the virtues of vinyl ... Help me to understand ... - Bruce from DC 07:19:25 04/28/03 ( 0)
Where vinyl beats digital, hands down - rkw 00:08:22 04/28/03 ( 7)
- Interesting analogy, but for me vinyl is a pain in the a--... - JCS 04:15:46 04/28/03 ( 0)
this may be a male vs female thing ... - Christine Tham 00:52:26 04/28/03 ( 5)
- But Christine diamonds are a girls best friend and I found a totally non-adjustable turntable - Teresa 01:13:21 04/28/03 ( 4)
- Hi Teresa, you got me to researching the mmf-1 (and 2.1). Tell me about your phono preamp. - Striving for Musical Clarity 02:14:09 04/28/03 ( 3)
- Hi, I'm using the built in Phono section in my AMC Tube Pre-amp. (nt) - Teresa 21:26:37 04/28/03 ( 0)
- Go over to Vinyl Asylum, do some searches, ask some ?'s. Look for used as well @ Audiogon.. <nt&g - RickMac 12:16:07 04/28/03 ( 0)
- Music Hall MMF-5 - Robertc88 03:57:54 04/28/03 ( 0)
Huge downside of digital - jeromelang 19:14:57 04/27/03 ( 39)
- Your digital brain is full of jitter - distorted thinking. [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 13:35:01 04/29/03 ( 0)
Re: Huge downside of digital -- Nonsense - david hull 23:03:09 04/28/03 ( 0)
Shenanigans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - jasonwilldermood 17:57:33 04/28/03 ( 0)
Absolutely absurd post! - Plush 07:35:48 04/28/03 ( 32)
- I actually have to agree with you on this one all of the way........ - Chris Garrett 10:19:48 04/28/03 ( 4)
- Re: I actually have to agree with you on this one all of the way........ - oldmkvi 11:03:51 04/28/03 ( 1)
- In revelence to Mel, let's call it "velvet smog" - jeromelang 18:17:35 04/29/03 ( 0)
- Re: I actually have to agree with you on this one all of the way........ - NS 10:59:38 04/28/03 ( 1)
- Re: I actually have to agree with you on this one all of the way........ - oldmkvi 11:06:18 04/28/03 ( 0)
Re: Absolutely absurd post! - jeromelang 08:15:18 04/28/03 ( 26)
- My response to your request that I familiarize myself with sales literature - Plush 07:25:23 04/29/03 ( 20)
- Well, you know the old sawhorse, Plush... - Methos 08:54:57 04/29/03 ( 19)
- Methos, you dont pound the puss either.. . - Plush 16:18:18 04/29/03 ( 1)
- You may have something there, Plush... - Methos 16:51:35 04/29/03 ( 0)
- the data is locked. . . - plush 16:10:03 04/29/03 ( 7)
- I didn't say anything about the data being locked or not locked, you puss-pounder... - Methos 12:17:07 04/30/03 ( 0)
- Yeah, Plush...and 'bits is bits' and all CD players sound exactly the same, don't they? : ) - Methos 16:42:00 04/29/03 ( 5)
- Don't you dare put words in my mouth. . . - Plush 07:16:06 05/1/03 ( 4)
- ...as for whatever you were trying to say about 'pounding puss'... - Methos 10:25:03 05/1/03 ( 0)
- Ah, but I DID address the issues in your post...you did state that the phenomenon Jerome reported... - Methos 09:34:06 05/1/03 ( 2)
- Re: Ah, but I DID address the issues in your post...you did state that the phenomenon Jerome reporte - Plush 09:58:41 05/3/03 ( 1)
- Well, we've moved a short ways, at any rate... - Methos 19:19:34 05/3/03 ( 0)
Methos: Did the transport mode eradicate the tracking problem that you also noted? n/t - jeromelang 09:27:17 04/29/03 ( 8)
- See my reply to tunenut below. :- ) - Methos 09:54:01 04/29/03 ( 7)
- You just consigned me to financial ruin!! - jeromelang 10:07:52 04/29/03 ( 6)
- Sorry! You're certain the Meitner eliminates the effect? : ) nt - Methos 10:20:25 04/29/03 ( 5)
- You're certain the Meitner eliminates the effect? : ) nt - jeromelang 10:50:38 04/29/03 ( 4)
- That could well be...but I know that the stock SCD-1/777ES had rather fine jitter measurements... - Methos 12:58:23 04/29/03 ( 3)
- Start play from STOP mode. - jeromelang 18:36:14 04/29/03 ( 2)
- I'm afraid that I'm going to have to make compromises, in order to remain sane. : ) - Methos 18:53:19 04/29/03 ( 1)
- Ignorance is bliss!! - jeromelang 21:47:19 04/29/03 ( 0)
very weak "evidence" - I invite others to post if they hear this - tunenut 12:53:12 04/28/03 ( 4)
- I invite others to post if they hear this - jeromelang 09:56:19 04/29/03 ( 0)
It seems to be a real effect, if sometimes subtle. - Methos 04/29/03 09:51:58 04/29/03 ( 1)
- thanks... - tunenut 10:23:43 04/29/03 ( 0)
I sure don't hear it (nt) - John 06:20:18 04/29/03 ( 0)
Re: Huge downside of digital - gimpboy 05:11:49 04/28/03 ( 1)
- A shoddy zipcord is still better than a Powersnake - jeromelang 06:52:08 04/28/03 ( 0)
Wow! Interesting post. Thanks! - Striving for Musical Clarity 20:33:19 04/27/03 ( 0)
Classical vinyl is dead - Stephen 14:45:11 04/27/03 ( 2)
- Stephen there are more than a handful of remastered classics problem is they are $30 - $35 each - Teresa 16:57:14 04/27/03 ( 1)
- 400 *is* a handful - Stephen 17:05:58 04/27/03 ( 0)
I appreciate your intelligent well thought out responses - Striving for Musical Clarity 14:18:01 04/27/03 ( 13)
- "Not with vinyl" - JCS 15:35:19 04/27/03 ( 12)
- The futility of arguing a vinyl preference. - Dave Pogue 17:02:31 04/27/03 ( 11)
- More arguing at cross purposes - Stephen 17:48:03 04/27/03 ( 10)
- The thread was started with the intent of searching out those "equally but valid view"s. - Striving for Musical Clarity 17:51:49 04/27/03 ( 9)
- Well yes ... - Stephen 18:04:21 04/27/03 ( 8)
- Re: Well yes ... - DKG 18:19:54 04/27/03 ( 7)
- It just didn't work out for me - Stephen 18:49:24 04/27/03 ( 6)
- I'll Say The Same For SACD, It Wore Off!! - Robertc88 04:29:43 04/28/03 ( 5)
- Just sent my discs this afternoon for cryogenic treatment - jeromelang 07:34:33 04/28/03 ( 2)
- I Appreciate Your Efforts - Robertc88 08:38:32 04/28/03 ( 1)
- Re: I Appreciate Your Efforts - jeromelang 22:58:52 04/28/03 ( 0)
- Bon voyage! - Stephen 04:58:21 04/28/03 ( 1)
- And I'm Sure - Robertc88 08:32:23 04/28/03 ( 0)
The answer may lie in your moniker - Dave Pogue 13:30:05 04/27/03 ( 5)
- Could be ... During my vinyl days my frustration with noise may well have warped my listening habits - Striving for Musical Clarity 17:35:30 04/27/03 ( 4)
- The Liszt Piano Concertos - Dave Pogue 05:34:01 04/28/03 ( 3)
- Found the Richter / Kondrashin recording on CD but the CD quality wasn't reviewed well. - Striving for Musical Clarity 14:03:57 04/28/03 ( 1)
- Re: Found the Richter / Kondrashin recording on CD but the CD quality wasn't reviewed well. - Dave Pogue 15:02:00 04/28/03 ( 0)
- Thanks for your excellent response Dave. - Striving for Musical Clarity 11:58:49 04/28/03 ( 0)
different strokes... - tunenut 12:41:33 04/27/03 ( 0)
My Suggestion - Head To The Vinyl Board! - Robertc88 11:40:50 04/27/03 ( 0)
Re: For those who espouse the virtues of vinyl ... Help me to understand ... - Time_Stands_Still 11:25:06 04/27/03 ( 9)
- Re: For those who espouse the virtues of vinyl ... Help me to understand ... - croft 15:46:30 04/27/03 ( 8)
- It's V - I - N - Y - L - Stephen 15:53:18 04/27/03 ( 7)
- Re: It's Steven>? - croft 15:58:27 04/27/03 ( 6)
- No ... S - T - E - P - H - E - N - Stephen 16:29:50 04/27/03 ( 5)
- stephen-- - croft 18:08:05 04/27/03 ( 4)
- you may not realise this - Christine Tham 00:41:13 04/28/03 ( 3)
- Re: you may not realise this - croft 17:21:04 04/28/03 ( 2)
- stephen and i are aussies ... - Christine Tham 18:33:37 04/28/03 ( 1)
- Re: stephen and i are aussies ... - croft 15:26:45 04/29/03 ( 0)
Re: For those who espouse the virtues of vinyl ... Help me to understand ... - jbcortes 10:45:35 04/27/03 ( 0)
Why don't you read this linked post... - Chris Garrett 10:25:40 04/27/03 ( 0)
vinyl - Skeptic 09:44:52 04/27/03 ( 1)
- care, maintenance, and setup of vinyl is not a nuisance for vinyl lovers- it is for me and I love - Teresa 00:25:05 04/28/03 ( 0)
What's to understand? You have already made a choice... - desmond krimp 09:38:45 04/27/03 ( 0)
I find value in LP, CD and SACD. - sgb 08:48:31 04/27/03 ( 6)
- Good response ... - Striving for Musical Clarity 12:32:26 04/28/03 ( 3)
- We're in the same boat, guy! - sgb 13:11:37 04/28/03 ( 2)
- Are You - Robertc88 14:21:16 04/28/03 ( 1)
- No, but I have a good friend in Cedar Knolls. nt - sgb 13:04:33 04/29/03 ( 0)
These Folks Have INCREDIBLE Systems or Hearing - Robertc88 08:49:03 04/28/03 ( 0)
Well said Steve...(NT) - Pure 09:08:41 04/27/03 ( 0)
Re: For those who espouse the virtues of vinyl ... Help me to understand ... - ldvictory 08:45:33 04/27/03 ( 0)