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In Reply to: Re: Makes sense to me. posted by Don T on August 14, 2003 at 17:52:47:
In fact, before I began this search for a new CD-based bedroom system (necessitated by space issues;my main rig is vinyl-based) I figured that the best way to approach the task was to choose a budget figure first (I choose $3-4K) and try to find the best value components that could fit within that budget. My first thought was that the Totem Ones had impressed me very much every time I had heard them and they might be a good choice to start with. Not having the funds to buy them right away I decided to get something to tide me over, and after significant research I decided to give the Ascends a try. They impressed me very much, but they didn't go down low enough for me. I bought a Sound Dynamics sub and that was good enough for a while. Because the Ascends were so neutral and smooth above 100 Hz. it occured to me that if I could find a subwoofer that was effective up to 100 Hz. (and was inexpensive) I could use two of them to create a very good nearly full-range speaker. I thought it would be best, for my purposes, to look at 8"-driver units. I initially tried a Yamaha that someone suggested at audiocircle.com, but that was awful. I then tried one of the Energy subs and that turned out to be a super match, good enough that I was confident that this was the speaker system I needed, and the cost was only $880 (much less that the Totems would have been). At that point I started thinking that I could do very well on a reduced budget. The ART DI/O looked promising, so I got one and was very pleased with it. At this point I was still using a Classe CAP-150 that I had bought used some time ago, but now it was somehow out of place using something that expensive in this system. I felt the urge to find a giant-killer integrated amp. Fortuitously, Todd Kreiger starting posting about the Samson Servo 260, which most people didn't seem to pick up on. This seemed to be perfect for me, particularly since Todd said he had discovered it in a system that also used an ART DI/O. It only cost $195, so I took a flyer on it. It took a looong time to break in, but after that I started to think that my search might be done. The last piece of the puzzle came when I saw Merle's post about the Sony DVD/CD player. I thought that even if it wasn't as good as the ART DI/O, at the price it would make a good back-up unit for when my transport dies. I added the Sony to the system, and after a sufficient break-in I would have to say I was floored. The improvement from the ART DI/O was not subtle. Everything happened to coallesce; I was just lucky. I don't have much in the way of tweaks, and the speakers can only be used in one location (due to space limitations). After everything settles and I get a good handle on what I've got I'm thinking about demonstrating this system at the S.F.-area audio society (whatever it is called). I think that would be the acid test that I'm not somehow deluding myself. In the meantime, I'm going to lay back and enjoy the finest music I've ever had in my house. I wish you well.
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Topic - An OPEN CHALLENGE to the audio industry suck-butts at Stereophile & The Absolute Sound. - whiteowl 11:20:12 08/13/03 ( 87)
- That's why I don't buy Stereophile magazine anymore - gme109 23:17:36 08/14/03 ( 0)
Re: An OPEN CHALLENGE to the audio industry suck-butts at Stereophile & The Absolute Sound. - suretyguy 12:54:05 08/14/03 ( 8)
- don't compare. One reviews, the other shows. n/t - Magpie 17:34:31 08/14/03 ( 2)
- Re: don't compare. One reviews, the other shows. n/t - suretyguy 06:08:56 08/15/03 ( 1)
- Part of their "intent" has been to cover inexpensive gear, more or less. - whiteowl 16:24:37 08/15/03 ( 0)
You don't see much stone or brick construction here in San Francisco .... - whiteowl 17:18:57 08/14/03 ( 0)
Re: Well said. [nt] - alan m. kafton` 17:02:55 08/14/03 ( 3)
- Here's an idea, Mr. Kafton. Why don't you just sell custom one-of -a-kind audio gear? (n.t.) - whiteowl 17:33:54 08/14/03 ( 2)
- Re: I already do that. Much of what I sell...... - alan m. kafton 21:51:52 08/15/03 ( 1)
- Considering their price, I can't believe that some of them aren't hay-wired. (n.t.) - whiteowl 17:12:45 08/17/03 ( 0)
If ever this forum needed a different bulletin board format, this time is it. - neoprufrok 00:13:06 08/14/03 ( 3)
- Re: If ever this forum needed a different bulletin board format, this time is it. - Ken Lyon 02:33:12 08/14/03 ( 2)
- Thanks KEN, I didn't know that either!!! <NT> - tommytube 07:25:57 08/14/03 ( 1)
- Even quicker - click on the number in brackets after the date in the first posts header, once it changes to blue. [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 00:47:53 08/16/03 ( 0)
Suggestion: subscribe to The OK for $1200 Sound magazine (nt) - E-Stat 18:35:33 08/13/03 ( 2)
- If it was the Best for $1200 magazine, I would be challenging them too. (n.t.) - whiteowl 18:41:40 08/13/03 ( 1)
- Read the masthead again (nt) - E-Stat 14:31:38 08/14/03 ( 0)
Re: An OPEN CHALLENGE to the audio industry suck-butts at Stereophile & The Absolute Sound. - Merle 18:11:52 08/13/03 ( 10)
- Count me a NAD fan. nt - bartc 06:39:58 08/14/03 ( 0)
I must admit that NAD has intrigued me. - whiteowl 18:37:20 08/13/03 ( 8)
- Re: I must admit that NAD has intrigued me. - cens 12:49:25 08/14/03 ( 1)
- The comparison is the purely natural one. - whiteowl 16:34:22 08/14/03 ( 0)
Laugh! - Don T 12:14:07 08/14/03 ( 5)
- Makes sense to me. - whiteowl 16:44:38 08/14/03 ( 4)
- Re: Makes sense to me. - Don T 17:52:47 08/14/03 ( 3)
- I agree that giant-killer systems can be constructed at different price points. (long) - whiteowl 08/14/03 20:00:59 08/14/03 ( 2)
- What cables are you using? - Todd B. 23:26:12 08/14/03 ( 1)
- You didn't miss it. - whiteowl 16:43:07 08/15/03 ( 0)
Re: An OPEN CHALLENGE to the audio industry suck-butts at Stereophile & The Absolute Sound. - greg in OKLA 16:38:54 08/13/03 ( 0)
Just buy and ad -- they'll do anything <nt> - Magnetar 15:38:54 08/13/03 ( 2)
- I wonder if there has ever been an ad in either magazine where the company was never mentioned or reviewed ? (n.t.) - whiteowl 08:30:13 08/14/03 ( 0)
ROTFLMAO ! nt - Fiddler 19:22:26 08/13/03 ( 0)
Yawn ...... - Dr. Audio-Unbolded 15:12:53 08/13/03 ( 0)
Assumptions, - definitely not universal.......... - Sordidman 14:50:41 08/13/03 ( 2)
- Re: Assumptions, - definitely not universal.......... - SLL 14:27:36 08/14/03 ( 0)
Since you say you have heard these components .... - whiteowl 17:15:31 08/13/03 ( 0)
Re: An OPEN CHALLENGE to the audio industry suck-butts at Stereophile & The Absolute Sound. - tdarian 14:45:28 08/13/03 ( 3)
- Do you seriously think .... - whiteowl 15:38:47 08/13/03 ( 2)
- Yes I seriously think - Dr. Audio-Unbolded 15:48:28 08/13/03 ( 1)
- Just a junkie, more or less .... - whiteowl 07:55:06 08/14/03 ( 0)
Geez. Just subscribe to the $ensible Sound. - Bosh 14:24:35 08/13/03 ( 6)
- I do. And wouldn't it be nice if your quest for the exceptional "budget" system were all the more informed. (n.t.) - whiteowl 15:22:39 08/13/03 ( 5)
- Thank you Merle and Todd - Dr. Audio-Unbolded 15:50:20 08/13/03 ( 4)
- You Rang?? - Todd Krieger 18:25:21 08/13/03 ( 3)
- THANK YOU, moderator. - whiteowl 18:52:37 08/13/03 ( 2)
- I Admit... - Todd Krieger 19:27:30 08/13/03 ( 1)
- All of the components in the U.T.R. system are stock and can be bought new at the prices I quoted. - whiteowl 19:49:08 08/13/03 ( 0)
Re: An OPEN CHALLENGE to the audio industry suck-butts at Stereophile & The Absolute Sound. - suretyguy 13:07:26 08/13/03 ( 5)
- I think you would be better. I'm deaf. - whiteowl 14:04:20 08/13/03 ( 4)
- So what's your interest in this? - Dr. Audio-Unbolded 15:46:18 08/13/03 ( 3)
- Obviously not someone who posts four times in the same thread. (n.t.) - whiteowl 16:02:32 08/13/03 ( 2)
- I guess I responded too quickly. (n.t.) - whiteowl 16:07:35 08/13/03 ( 0)
- I'm following your lead. -nt- - Dr. Audio-Unbolded 16:04:49 08/13/03 ( 0)
Re: An OPEN CHALLENGE to the audio industry suck-butts at Stereophile & The Absolute Sound. - Hafdef 12:40:35 08/13/03 ( 3)
- These two mags .... - whiteowl 13:50:23 08/13/03 ( 2)
- If you were an owner who would come first? - Hafdef 16:29:58 08/13/03 ( 0)
- These two mags don't serve the public - Dr. Audio-Unbolded 15:53:56 08/13/03 ( 0)
The purpose of your post is to ...? - Pete H 12:31:05 08/13/03 ( 17)
- Re: The purpose of your post is to ...? - whiteowl 13:04:08 08/13/03 ( 16)
- They've already DONE IT!!! - Sordidman 15:02:15 08/13/03 ( 7)
- And a $3995 amplifier & $1995 preamplifier are "Tubes for Everyman" .... - whiteowl 15:12:25 08/13/03 ( 6)
- Right. It's not a lowfi magazine. It's a hifi magazine - Sordidman 16:49:27 08/13/03 ( 1)
- Mark my words, this low-fi system is going to be "taking names". (n.t.) - whiteowl 18:02:14 08/13/03 ( 0)
- That goes for your system too - Dr. Audio-Unbolded 15:55:34 08/13/03 ( 3)
- And refuse to listen to it. - whiteowl 16:11:33 08/13/03 ( 2)
- I meant a waste of money - Dr. Audio-Unbolded 16:27:16 08/13/03 ( 1)
- $2000 is the challenge. $1200 is near, if not within, the range of rack systems. (n.t.) - whiteowl 17:21:14 08/13/03 ( 0)
You may get your wish - Pete H 14:55:33 08/13/03 ( 4)
- I sincerely hope he reads this thread (n.t.) - whiteowl 15:02:14 08/13/03 ( 3)
- He's read a thousand threads just like this one. -nt- - Dr. Audio-Unbolded 15:57:05 08/13/03 ( 2)
- Examples, please. - whiteowl 16:16:22 08/13/03 ( 1)
- Re: Examples, please. - Dr. Audio-Unbolded 16:28:44 08/13/03 ( 0)
Re: The purpose of your post is to ...? - suretyguy 13:22:09 08/13/03 ( 2)
- Challenges get people's attention. - whiteowl 14:58:04 08/13/03 ( 1)
- This isn't a challenge, it's a troll -nt- - Dr. Audio-Unbolded 15:58:12 08/13/03 ( 0)
Did stereophile or TAS review Oddysey Stratos? - Doug Kim 12:21:52 08/13/03 ( 3)
- The Stratos was reviewed in TAS. (nt) - Jerry P 13:42:50 08/13/03 ( 2)
- Thanks. Would you describe a little more? - Doug Kim 19:58:02 08/13/03 ( 1)
- You can read it online - Todd B. 23:17:29 08/13/03 ( 0)
Big deal! - Don T 12:21:29 08/13/03 ( 0)
Re: Why not...... - alan m. kafton 11:40:31 08/13/03 ( 2)
- As a dealer in the industry .... - whiteowl 12:12:43 08/13/03 ( 1)
- Re: As a dealer in the industry .... - Dr. Audio-Unbolded 15:59:30 08/13/03 ( 0)
Audio Industry Suck Butt? - Grover 11:39:23 08/13/03 ( 3)
- Agreed on all points. - bwkendall 11:48:56 08/13/03 ( 2)
- Perhaps Sam Tellig knows why he doesn't want to be the "Cheapskate" any more. (n.t.) - whiteowl 12:04:29 08/13/03 ( 1)
- because he wants to review the components he likes - Dr. Audio-Unbolded 16:01:25 08/13/03 ( 0)