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Model: Verus motor Category: Turntables Suggested Retail Price: $1690 Description: Manufacturer URL: Teres Model Picture: View
Review by kurt s on December 22, 2007 at 18:37:59
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for the Verus motor
I just got this motor to replace a very old DC motor with belt drive that originally came with my old version Teres 255 model. The rest of the TT system includes an acrylic/lead shot platter, wood base, original old VPI JMW-10 tonearm, and a rebuilt 2001 vintage Koetsu Urushi cartridge.
I was torn between getting a new tonearm or this new low cogging multiphase direct coupled motor system that has been popular lately. I believe the advice to buy this motor was a good one and that's what I did.
I feel justified in writing this review after one listening session because the differences were so obvious to me. And it was not in a way I expected at all. Normally I expect the usual audiophile adjectives to pop up when I hear an upgrade on something like this. Not quite this time. It does things better in a different way. People say you can't hardly describe the difference, but I think I can. And the longer I sit around trying to remember the differences that took place, the more I think I will start to forget them. And since it's so doubtful that this piece of gear requires a break-in period I'm going to go ahead and just write about it now.
Here's a list of the things that changes when you use this motor compared to a pretty good belt drive: the bass lines clear up with much less muddiness, the midrange clears up as well, the noise floor of the recording sounds like it goes down, the frequency balance tends to tilt up, the excess warmth of vinyl dimishes, the pace and drive of the music flows with greater ease, a greater degree of immediacy occurs, a more forward projection of the soundstage appears, and a more lifelike overall sound is heard in general.
How does it do it? I have a theory about what's going on, but I am not a mechanical engineer and frankly I don't think most mechanical engineers would know for sure either. I think the smooth precise turning of the motor that presses on unperturbed by micro-modulated friction around the platter (be it from an imperfect bearing to modulating groove friction) is helping out a lot. A belt drive isolates motor from platter and platter from motor which will allow such micro-modulated friction changes to go unchecked. A strong low cogging motor can counter that effect from platter to motor as the motor wants to reject it when in direct contact.
Also, when you drop the vibration of the turning of the platter, you unload some of the damping duties normally required by the cartridge body and tonearm. So in essence with this motor you get a tonearm upgrade for free as it has less impact on the system.
The VPI JMW-10 tonearm was criticised for excess lower mid/upper bass warmth that later versions helped fix. Well I will report that a great deal of that excess warmth evaporated when the Verus was installed.
Interestingly, I have found out that tonearms should not be used to correct for TT deficiencies. The modest JMW-10 arm works well now. And in anouther case I can recall, the highly touted SME-30 uses a fairly "ordinary" SME IV or SME V tonearm to very high performance as well.
Going back to that JMW-10 midbass warmth that was talked about for example, when I played my most challenging bass recording I have, "Blow Up" by the Isao Suzuki Trio/Quartet on Japan's Three Blind Mice label, the multiple plucked basses stopped being so darn muddy like it used to be. I wondered if the recording was bad all this time, or the Koetsu couldn't play it. But no, it just needed this motor to fix that all up. Now the Koetsu plays bass lines about as good as any cartridge I heard before on previous systems.
In the lower midrange, I listened to "Songs for Distingue Lovers" by Billie Holiday where a sensational deep saxophone played with eery realism, void of any noticeable distortion artifacts.
With the excess bass gone and the treble remaining about the same as it did before, the overall balance sounded a bit tilted up a couple decibles. It amazingly started to match the CD player in tonal balance, something that came as a surprise. Maybe there's some truth that vinyl lovers like the warmth that CD's sterilize too much and think CD's are bright and LPs correct when CD's are basically correct balance-wise, although still horribly deficient in inner detail and smoothness on top.
I then played another record that was a little challenging to sound clean, "The Healer" by John Lee Hooker. This one features John singing duets with pop artists and sometimes just solo with pop instrumentalists like Carlos Santana. Santana's guitar sounded a little muddy in the background before but again came out clear as a bell this time with all musical lines fully delineated.
On these jazz numbers they all shared another common trait. They started me actually wanting to dance, and I don't dance. I now have a better understanding of what pacing and timing is about and when it lacks it. Teres was a tad sluggish with belt drive but is highly compensated for with its new Verus direct drive.
This Verus direct drive does so many things right for my TT system that I cannot recommend it highly enough. If you think you will miss that vinyl warmth, don't worry. You'll just be missing excess warmth, that peach fuzz that's just junk. What you are getting closer to here is a more direct connection to the master tape lying underneath.
I feel Teres has put out a killer product here. This one can transform many TT's out there because it's compatible with many high-end TTs as well. I think they're really on the right track with this.
I wouldn't order a new Teres TT without the Verus option.
Product Weakness: Don't think there is one. Product Strengths: Clarity, good pacing, exceptional bass to midrange.
Associated Equipment for this Review:
Amplifier: DIY 300B SET Preamplifier (or None if Integrated): Passive autotransformer volume control Sources (CDP/Turntable): Ayre CX-7e / Teres 255 Speakers: Focal-JMlab Micro Utopia Be w/ DIY sub Cables/Interconnects: Cardas Hexlink speaker wire / DIY interconnects Music Used (Genre/Selections): Jazz/Classical/Rock Room Size (LxWxH): 20' x 12' x 8' Room Comments/Treatments: Bookcase diffusers / Fiberglass insulation absorbers Time Period/Length of Audition: 1 day Type of Audition/Review: Product Owner
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Topic - REVIEW: Teres Verus motor Turntables - kurt s 18:37:59 12/22/07 ( 60)
- RE: REVIEW: Teres Verus motor Turntables - cids 13:10:45 12/23/07 ( 11)
- RE: REVIEW: Teres Verus motor Turntables - kurt s 15:58:35 12/23/07 ( 8)
- RE: REVIEW: Teres Verus motor Turntables - cids 00:31:26 12/24/07 ( 7)
- RE: REVIEW: Teres Verus motor Turntables - hurdy-gurdyman 07:30:31 12/24/07 ( 1)
- RE: REVIEW: Teres Verus motor Turntables - kurt s 21:38:50 12/27/07 ( 0)
- RE: REVIEW: Teres Verus motor Turntables - Lew 07:14:43 12/24/07 ( 4)
- One listen. - Elmo 07:27:55 12/24/07 ( 3)
- Clearly, that kid needs a new precision ground O-ring (nt) - Lew 10:39:24 12/24/07 ( 0)
You betcha, and more... - LaMadrina 14:02:35 12/23/07 ( 0)
LOL Are you that guy - limono 14:02:24 12/23/07 ( 0)
RE: REVIEW: Teres Verus motor Turntables - Dave Garretson 10:26:58 12/23/07 ( 0)
i have heard that the bearing shaft on the Teres has a fair ammoount of wear after 1yr - OMalley 21:38:35 12/22/07 ( 13)
- RE: i have heard that the bearing shaft on the Teres has a fair ammoount of wear after 1yr - kurt s 23:59:27 12/22/07 ( 10)
- resource - OMalley 07:25:09 12/23/07 ( 9)
- Thanks for that interesting link - kurt s 09:01:42 12/23/07 ( 8)
- That was an older bearing design... - Nicholas Renter 09:52:44 12/24/07 ( 6)
- "more satisfying ...than possible... with a legal document" - J.D. 12:54:07 12/24/07 ( 4)
- Oh...And to answer your question... - Nicholas Renter 14:49:09 12/24/07 ( 0)
- Teres Audio is a stand-up company... - Nicholas Renter 14:45:48 12/24/07 ( 2)
- fair enough I guess - J.D. 15:02:57 12/24/07 ( 1)
- Wrong again! - kurt s 22:36:21 12/27/07 ( 0)
- Gosh, that doesn't seem fair... - Ivan303 11:00:28 12/24/07 ( 0)
- Another point. - Ivan303 09:27:42 12/23/07 ( 0)
RE: i have heard that the bearing shaft on the Teres has a fair ammoount of wear after 1yr - kurt s 22:57:43 12/22/07 ( 0)
Are you serious ??? - limono 21:51:56 12/22/07 ( 0)
After that 1-day audition - J.D. 20:56:56 12/22/07 ( 32)
- RE: After that 1-day audition - kurt s 22:49:26 12/22/07 ( 30)
- What we really need is a comparison review between a classic - powermatic 21:55:32 12/23/07 ( 4)
- Totally different turntable concepts, and what's wrong with that? - kurt s 22:46:23 12/23/07 ( 3)
- "to tell me it isn't right for me to enjoy" ..... show us. - J.D. 12:31:02 12/24/07 ( 2)
- "It isn't right to make up little lies about what other people have said, little buddy." - kurt s 21:48:41 12/27/07 ( 1)
- Another Archival Gem By Kurt S. ...... - J.D. 11:36:45 12/28/07 ( 0)
- RE: After that 1-day audition - J.D. 10:29:18 12/23/07 ( 24)
- RE: After that 1-day audition - kurt s 11:21:35 12/23/07 ( 9)
- "an internet blowhard with essentially nothing to add" - Ivan303 11:50:12 12/23/07 ( 1)
- not the first, but maybe the dullest comment here - J.D. 12:07:07 12/23/07 ( 0)
- Thats a waste !! - limono 11:50:06 12/23/07 ( 0)
- think it all gets back to that 1-day audition - J.D. 11:41:16 12/23/07 ( 5)
- You still have nothing to add. - kurt s 11:54:44 12/23/07 ( 4)
- lol... - Tao 17:28:09 12/23/07 ( 0)
- That Was The Textbook Definition Of Nothing To Add - J.D. 12:09:36 12/23/07 ( 2)
- Well you should know since you follow your copy of that textbook to the letter. nt - kurt s 15:43:17 12/23/07 ( 1)
- Cleverer And Cleverer. - J.D. 16:15:12 12/23/07 ( 0)
Fair?? Do you send your old motor to Rega or VPI ?? - limono 11:00:48 12/23/07 ( 13)
- Well now that you mention it - J.D. 11:27:44 12/23/07 ( 12)
- Not quite the same thing - Dogface1956 15:28:28 12/23/07 ( 2)
- RE: Not quite the same thing - Lew 21:45:59 12/23/07 ( 1)
- RE: Not quite the same thing - Dogface1956 09:36:56 12/24/07 ( 0)
- A switch to decaf would do you a world of good (nt) - Lew 13:41:15 12/23/07 ( 8)
- LOL! Perhaps a bit more fiber would help as well! /n - Ivan303 19:59:07 12/23/07 ( 1)
- your every appearance in this thread .. - J.D. 16:55:54 12/27/07 ( 0)
- try a point-by-point refutation. - J.D. 14:23:43 12/23/07 ( 5)
- RE: try a point-by-point refutation. - Agaffer 15:29:03 12/23/07 ( 4)
- the bandwagon - J.D. 16:13:03 12/23/07 ( 3)
- committed customer base that - OMalley 17:00:29 12/23/07 ( 2)
- Are you talking to me Omalley ;) ?? - limono 19:06:16 12/23/07 ( 1)
- we can all march in this parade - OMalley 20:29:29 12/23/07 ( 0)
We'll only really know the answer when we hear some direct - powermatic 21:51:14 12/22/07 ( 0)