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Here I go again, but I have to make sure I am straight on all these things.As I understand it, "effective mass" for a tonearm is the moment of inertia I cm divided by the square of the stylus to pivot distance. Thus a standard 225mm tonearm with an effective mass of say 10 grams has an I cm of 5.06 x 10 -4 kgm 2 .
The I cm is the sum of all the masses of the parts of the tonearm multiplied by the square of their distance from the pivot and this includes the counterweight.
By this logic using a counterweight made from a very high density material (like tungsten), which can be mounted closer to the pivot for a given balance point, reduces the counterweight's contribution to the I cm of the arm. As I see it, this is a benefit when designing an arm to reach a certain effective mass target because it allows the designer to use more mass where it is needed, between the arm and the pivot (on the grounds that increased mass here allows one to increase stiffness or add damping materials or whatever else one desires).
BUT, on an already existing arm it doesn't have the same effect. Given the relationship between I cm and effective mass anything which reduces one reduces the other, so the major effect of such substitutions would be to change the effective mass. I always thought there was an optimal effective arm mass for a given cartridge which put it right in the middle of the range of resonant frequencies. Yet the proponents of using substiute weights imply that this is not so, and reducing I cm and thus effective mass is always a good thing.
Are their arguments based on something I've missed, or are they marketing hype?
Mark Kelly
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Topic - Effective mass, moment of inertia and counterweights. - Mark Kelly 01:18:50 11/17/05 (45)
- Mark I think your equation is correct and a personal reflection. - tubesforever 14:35:46 11/17/05 (6)
- I can answer one of those. - Mark Kelly 15:30:37 11/17/05 (5)
- Re: I can answer one of those. - John Elison 15:56:45 11/17/05 (4)
- Interesting point - Mark Kelly 16:50:13 11/17/05 (3)
- Re: Interesting point - John Elison 17:53:58 11/17/05 (2)
- I can explain that - Mark Kelly 18:14:40 11/17/05 (1)
- I am not sure who utilized silicone damping first.... - tubesforever 19:09:19 11/17/05 (0)
- What kind of weight does Rega use on the most expensive arm? - richardl 12:22:24 11/17/05 (2)
- There are three different Rega weights - garth 12:36:24 11/17/05 (1)
- Thanks - richardl 13:25:48 11/17/05 (0)
- Re: Effective mass, moment of inertia and counterweights. - PaulC 07:21:40 11/17/05 (0)
- Great post! - mosin 06:47:12 11/17/05 (28)
- Re: Great post! - John Elison 09:07:57 11/17/05 (27)
- John you are entirely correct in this. - tubesforever 14:21:50 11/17/05 (8)
- Addendum - Mark Kelly 17:03:06 11/17/05 (3)
- Re: Addendum - mosin 17:37:58 11/17/05 (2)
- Bearings - Mark Kelly 18:47:38 11/17/05 (1)
- Re: Bearings - mosin 20:06:01 11/17/05 (0)
- John seems to be out so I'll try answering your last question ... - garth 14:38:52 11/17/05 (2)
- Garth, you must be trying to express your sense of humor again. :-) (nt) - John Elison 18:06:25 11/17/05 (1)
- Sorry, I forgot to sniff somebodys behind! Yes, it was supposed to be funny since you - garth 20:20:30 11/17/05 (0)
- Thank you, Tubes. I appreciate your support. :-) (nt) - John Elison 14:26:24 11/17/05 (0)
- True... - mosin 09:29:28 11/17/05 (17)
- Or false? - Mark Kelly 16:54:01 11/17/05 (1)
- Re: Or false? - mosin 17:29:59 11/17/05 (0)
- Re: True... - John Elison 13:21:45 11/17/05 (14)
- Doesn't the distribution of the mass play a role? Assume ... - garth 14:04:17 11/17/05 (13)
- Re: Doesn't the distribution of the mass play a role? Assume ... - mosin 16:10:15 11/17/05 (2)
- Re: Doesn't the distribution of the mass play a role? Assume ... - John Elison 17:33:31 11/17/05 (1)
- John and Mark, thank you for clearing up some issues... - tubesforever 19:17:18 11/17/05 (0)
- The classic theory - Mark Kelly 15:09:18 11/17/05 (5)
- I understand the calculation of effective mass ... - garth 15:29:21 11/17/05 (4)
- I think we are arguing about two different things. - Mark Kelly 15:41:36 11/17/05 (3)
- Mark you are confusing me here and this is not a good thing. - tubesforever 19:23:58 11/17/05 (2)
- No. - Mark Kelly 19:57:58 11/17/05 (1)
- I am sure I deserve this Mark! - tubesforever 23:06:12 11/17/05 (0)
- I hope you get an answer to this question. - tubesforever 14:42:52 11/17/05 (0)
- No, if they have the same effective mass they will react the same. (nt) - John Elison 14:29:35 11/17/05 (2)
- React the same regardng what? - garth 14:43:54 11/17/05 (1)
- Re: React the same regardng what? - John Elison 15:37:37 11/17/05 (0)
- Re: Effective mass, moment of inertia and counterweights. - KlausR. 01:53:53 11/17/05 (4)
- Rigidness? - StylinLP 09:37:44 11/17/05 (2)
- Only the RB250 is plastic and is not the issue. - garth 10:12:28 11/17/05 (0)
- Re: Rigidness? - KlausR. 10:03:25 11/17/05 (0)
- Thanks again Klaus. - Mark Kelly 02:40:38 11/17/05 (0)