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Speaker Asylum: Re: AR3a's by peterh General speaker questions for audio and home theater. |
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In Reply to: AR3a's posted by D Harvey on June 21, 2005 at 08:58:06:
I have a vintage pair of AR3s and am quite impressed. The bass range has real impact and goes deep effortlessly on organ music. The speakers have a sense of realistic weight and presence not only in the bass but higher up the scale. No mini-monitor has this weight; nor do most larger speakers. In general, contemporary audio goes for a bright sound because it is more fun to listen to on average material. There is a bit of bass emphasis in the 3 that had something to do with 1950s amplifier characteristics. The 3a is brighter sounding, and brighter than Kantor's 303 according to Julian Hirsch, who certainly was well-acquainted with the ARs and wrote a review of the 303. Mark Levinson was a great fan of the AR LST, which uses the same woofer as the 3 but triples the midrange-tweeter array to provide more uniform power radiation. I suspect that with the right electronics and accurate recordings, the 3/3a would acquit itself very well against good current models -- provided you listened with eyes closed! The small dome midrange ought to provide better detailing than the five or six inch cone used by most mini-monitors. One thing for sure: If you own mini-monitors and want a subwoofer for 30-100hz, I doubt you can do much better than a crossover and a vintage AR3. The fact is, the great innovations in speakers all happened long ago: the acoustic suspension woofer, the dome tweeter (both AR inventions), the folded horn and the electrostatic. If today's woofers are so much better, why are most speakers at any size or price unable to hit an honest 30hz? AR's success in live-versus-recorded concerts (one of which I attended) ought to count for something, too! Sounding like live music: Isn't that the name of the game, boys?
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Topic - IM back at my AR3s again - MIchael Samra 16:57:59 06/20/05 ( 66)
- Re: IM back at my AR3s again I tell you another thing - MIchael Samra 14:34:45 06/22/05 ( 1)
- Re: IM back at my AR3s again I tell you another thing - Soundmind 18:06:31 06/22/05 ( 0)
Re: IM back at my AR3s again - Soundmind 07:44:00 06/21/05 ( 63)
- Roy Allison's early reference was AR1 with JansZen tweeters - peterh 15:46:52 06/22/05 ( 1)
- Re: Roy Allison's early reference was AR1 with JansZen tweeters - Soundmind 18:01:36 06/22/05 ( 0)
Re: IM back at my AR3s again - MIchael Samra 15:08:35 06/22/05 ( 0)
Villchur should have gone into the subwoofer business (nt) - E-Stat 06:38:29 06/22/05 ( 1)
- Imagine the AR3 as a sub/sat system! (nt) - John Ashman 08:30:36 06/22/05 ( 0)
AR3a's - D Harvey 08:58:06 06/21/05 ( 52)
- Re: AR3a's - MIchael Samra 15:01:46 06/22/05 ( 1)
- Re: AR3a's - D Harvey 09:27:32 06/23/05 ( 0)
Re: AR3a's - peterh 06/21/05 17:16:15 06/21/05 ( 45)
- Re: AR3a's - Bruce from DC 07:43:51 06/22/05 ( 3)
- Re: AR3a's - MIchael Samra 15:15:56 06/22/05 ( 1)
- Re: AR3a's - Bruce from DC 16:04:00 06/22/05 ( 0)
- Amen - E-Stat 12:13:44 06/22/05 ( 0)
Re: AR3a's - D Harvey 02:43:11 06/22/05 ( 36)
- Re: AR3a's - peterh 15:24:08 06/22/05 ( 30)
- Umm who listens to speakers outdoors? - RGA 17:51:46 06/22/05 ( 29)
- Re: Umm who listens to speakers outdoors? - Soundmind 18:20:02 06/22/05 ( 28)
- Re: Umm who listens to speakers outdoors? - RGA 18:49:52 06/22/05 ( 27)
- You missed the point again - Soundmind 05:02:10 06/23/05 ( 26)
- I heard the AudioNote line a month ago,Overpriced garbage - fortysomething 07:54:10 06/25/05 ( 11)
- yeah nioce objective view ... - RGA 18:59:11 06/25/05 ( 6)
- You can't even play loud enough in your apartment to judge any speaker(nt) - fortysomething 09:12:40 06/26/05 ( 5)
- Re: You can't even play loud enough in your apartment to judge any speaker(nt) - Peter Qvortrup 02:27:32 06/28/05 ( 0)
- Re: You can't even play loud enough in your apartment to judge any speaker(nt) - RGA 11:33:33 06/26/05 ( 3)
- Face it, RGA: not everyone who listens to Audio Notes speakers is going to as impressed as you are! - Pat D 20:14:33 06/27/05 ( 2)
- Re: Face it, RGA: not everyone who listens to Audio Notes speakers is going to as impressed as you are! - RGA 18:11:11 06/28/05 ( 1)
- Re: Face it, RGA: not everyone who listens to Audio Notes speakers is going to as impressed as you are! - Pat D 03:40:54 07/7/05 ( 0)
- Re: I heard the AudioNote line a month ago,Overpriced garbage - Soundmind 10:30:06 06/25/05 ( 3)
- Re: I heard the AudioNote line a month ago,Overpriced garbage - RGA 20:30:29 06/25/05 ( 2)
- Fortysomething doesn't have to like Audio Notes! - Pat D 19:00:06 07/7/05 ( 0)
- What goes around comes around RGA - fortysomething 09:16:32 06/26/05 ( 0)
- Re: You missed the point again - RGA 11:26:36 06/23/05 ( 13)
- I agree with Soundmind - RGA, you need help....... - John Ashman 16:05:34 06/23/05 ( 7)
- Re: I agree with Soundmind - RGA, you need help....... - RGA 17:30:21 06/23/05 ( 0)
- Re: I agree with Soundmind - RGA, you need help....... - Soundmind 16:29:36 06/23/05 ( 5)
- Re: I agree with Soundmind - RGA, you need help....... - RGA 17:49:44 06/23/05 ( 0)
- NHT/Snell/Revel are very similar overall (nt) - John Ashman 16:34:39 06/23/05 ( 3)
- Re: NHT/Snell/Revel are very similar overall (nt) - Soundmind 17:21:39 06/23/05 ( 2)
- Re: NHT/Snell/Revel are very similar overall (nt) - morricab 05:18:56 06/24/05 ( 1)
- Re: NHT/Snell/Revel are very similar overall (nt) - Soundmind 06:11:46 06/24/05 ( 0)
Whew, what a rant - Soundmind 13:48:04 06/23/05 ( 4)
- Soundmind, As a canadian I can diagnose RGA's condition - fortysomething 08:13:02 06/25/05 ( 2)
- Re: Soundmind, As a canadian I can diagnose RGA's condition - Soundmind 10:42:10 06/25/05 ( 1)
- Re: Soundmind, As a canadian I can diagnose RGA's condition - RGA 21:27:36 06/25/05 ( 0)
No we are at the asylum... - RGA 17:50:50 06/23/05 ( 0)
Re: AR3a's - RGA 13:20:52 06/22/05 ( 0)
Re: AR3a's - Soundmind 10:20:54 06/22/05 ( 2)
- Well I'll be damned..... - D Harvey 10:53:03 06/22/05 ( 1)
- Lucky me - Soundmind 13:19:07 06/22/05 ( 0)
Dyna MK IIIs (nt) - E-Stat 05:26:05 06/22/05 ( 0)
Re: AR3a's - hahax 21:17:08 06/21/05 ( 2)
- Re: AR3a's - peterh 15:33:01 06/22/05 ( 1)
- Re: AR3a's - Soundmind 18:13:25 06/22/05 ( 0)
AR3a's response..... - John Ashman 18:33:46 06/21/05 ( 0)
Re: AR3a's - Soundmind 10:25:59 06/21/05 ( 3)
- I agree with D Harvey..... - John Ashman 10:50:32 06/21/05 ( 2)
- Re: I agree with D Harvey..... - Soundmind 15:45:36 06/21/05 ( 1)
- AR9 was a great design, BUT...... - John Ashman 16:38:15 06/21/05 ( 0)
NHT, for instance...... - John Ashman 08:14:42 06/21/05 ( 4)
- Re: NHT, for instance...... - Soundmind 08:40:27 06/21/05 ( 3)
- Ports 'n Poly - peterh 17:40:10 06/21/05 ( 2)
- I agree..... - John Ashman 17:55:19 06/21/05 ( 1)
- The CM1 was good too - peterh 14:36:11 06/24/05 ( 0)