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In Reply to: I think it was Harley... posted by mkuller on March 16, 2009 at 15:20:33:
Some recording/mastering engineers believe that the latest AD/DA converters are transparent when outputting at very high rates, e.g. 352 kHz 24 bits and 384/24. That is to say, the live mic feed and the playback are indistinguishable. (Or at least that is what they say.)
Tony Lauck
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Topic - Have we reached "good enough"? - Rbernst929@aol.com 07:57:49 03/16/09 ( 148)
- well... (mental exercise) - FenderLover 00:44:56 03/23/09 ( 0)
I hoped not in the 80s, hoped so in the 90s, knew we had not in the 00s, and think we are close late 00s - Norm 19:09:03 03/18/09 ( 0)
RE: Have we reached "good enough"? - Peter H-son 13:35:38 03/18/09 ( 9)
- RE: Have we reached "good enough"? - Donald North 13:50:45 03/19/09 ( 3)
- RE: Higher resolution formats. - rick_m 14:30:52 03/19/09 ( 2)
- RE: Higher resolution formats. - Donald North 14:48:40 03/19/09 ( 1)
- RE: Higher resolution formats. - Tony Lauck 07:52:50 03/20/09 ( 0)
It seems that fanciful rebuttals are very popular here. - bjh 15:43:45 03/18/09 ( 4)
- RE: It seems that fanciful rebuttals are very popular here. - Peter H-son 11:05:00 03/19/09 ( 3)
- RE: It seems that fanciful rebuttals are very popular here. - bjh 15:50:36 03/19/09 ( 2)
- RE: It seems that fanciful rebuttals are very popular here. - Peter H-son 14:37:02 03/23/09 ( 0)
- Seems like "Golden Ears" have been joined by "Audio Mysticists" in that sprawling wasteland,... - carcass93 15:05:54 03/20/09 ( 0)
RE: Yes, a while back - theaudiohobby 09:21:19 03/18/09 ( 16)
- RE: Yes, a while back - morricab 10:07:20 03/22/09 ( 0)
"many folks feel otherwise" - because they know that better equipment makes music sound better. - carcass93 10:42:15 03/18/09 ( 14)
- Stop please! - Don Till 20:34:36 03/18/09 ( 3)
- RE: Stop please! - morricab 11:26:45 03/21/09 ( 1)
- RE: Stop please! - Don Till 11:37:50 03/23/09 ( 0)
- "Stop please!" Or what? .. we'll be forced to endure another of your melt down tantrums? LOL nt - bjh 20:48:50 03/18/09 ( 0)
Yes, I witnessed it. - cheap-Jack 12:07:40 03/18/09 ( 9)
- RE: Yes, I witnessed it. - Peter H-son 14:30:54 03/18/09 ( 8)
- See my comment to Cheap Jack below - kerr 08:18:52 03/19/09 ( 2)
- RE: See my comment to Cheap Jack below - Peter H-son 10:02:01 03/19/09 ( 1)
- RE: See my comment to Cheap Jack below - kerr 11:05:09 03/19/09 ( 0)
- No, there is no digital component in this USD300,000 A.N. system. - cheap-Jack 08:09:28 03/19/09 ( 3)
- Try an AN DAC sometime - kerr 08:17:48 03/19/09 ( 2)
- RE: Try an AN DAC sometime - robert young 08:56:04 03/19/09 ( 1)
- RE: Try an AN DAC sometime - kerr 09:46:08 03/19/09 ( 0)
sometimes just stripping away the extra crap - robert young 18:26:55 03/18/09 ( 0)
Surround sound can bring listeners into another venue while two-channel can't - Richard BassNut Greene 09:10:30 03/18/09 ( 5)
- Right - just like Quadraphonic Sound did in the 1970s...(nt) - mkuller 14:06:51 03/18/09 ( 1)
- Quad sucked surround done right does not - Robert Hamel 19:12:27 03/18/09 ( 0)
Who In The Heck Knows What That "Other" Venue Might Be....... - Todd Krieger 11:27:49 03/18/09 ( 2)
- Bigger and better sounding than the usual 20' by 15' by 8' living room - Richard BassNut Greene 09:12:02 03/19/09 ( 0)
Yup, it might be good for movies & shows, but not for music - cheap-Jack 12:14:42 03/18/09 ( 0)
RE: Have we reached "good enough"? - Andy.G 02:34:31 03/18/09 ( 0)
I keep finding more information on a pretty frequent basis… - Wellfed 21:17:13 03/17/09 ( 0)
Good enough - for exactly what? - E-Stat 16:28:53 03/17/09 ( 0)
RE: Have we reached "good enough"? - Todd Krieger 00:30:36 03/17/09 ( 0)
Not yet "good enough" - in Clark's absence... - mkuller 18:54:22 03/16/09 ( 14)
- RE: Not yet "good enough" - in Clark's absence... - Todd Krieger 00:17:09 03/17/09 ( 11)
- Try a current $100,000 top-rated turntable system and let me know...(nt) - mkuller 10:48:38 03/17/09 ( 7)
- What's it? (nt) - cheap-Jack 13:06:41 03/17/09 ( 6)
- The 'C' tables - Caliburn or Clearaudio...(nt) - mkuller 19:17:52 03/17/09 ( 2)
- RE: The 'C' tables - Caliburn or Clearaudio...(nt) - Todd Krieger 20:30:53 03/17/09 ( 1)
- The point is... - mkuller 12:09:01 03/19/09 ( 0)
- As for me - E-Stat 18:05:18 03/17/09 ( 2)
- What "very nice system" you got to match up this TT ? (nt) - cheap-Jack 07:20:07 03/18/09 ( 1)
- RE: What "very nice system" you got to match up this TT ? (nt) - E-Stat 07:32:57 03/18/09 ( 0)
Not for me, bud. - cheap-Jack 06:49:13 03/17/09 ( 2)
- RE: Not for me, bud. - Todd Krieger 15:47:28 03/17/09 ( 1)
- I didn't know RFI can affect sound so much... - cheap-Jack 11:57:20 03/18/09 ( 0)
Not really a good - unclestu52 20:51:22 03/16/09 ( 1)
- So they can still improved, too...(nt) - mkuller 10:47:26 03/17/09 ( 0)
I don't think any loudspeakers can reproduce the resolution of CD yet - Lambda 15:55:38 03/16/09 ( 0)
Not even close. - Enophile 12:42:13 03/16/09 ( 20)
- I think it was Harley... - mkuller 15:20:33 03/16/09 ( 1)
- Live mic feeds vs. DXD recording - Tony Lauck 03/17/09 09:33:22 03/17/09 ( 0)
As if a world full of wonderful studio recordings is irrelevant! - Don Till 13:08:44 03/16/09 ( 17)
- RE: As if a world full of wonderful studio recordings is irrelevant! - morricab 10:13:54 03/22/09 ( 6)
- RE: As if a world full of wonderful studio recordings is irrelevant! - Don Till 10:21:23 03/23/09 ( 5)
- RE: As if a world full of wonderful studio recordings is irrelevant! - morricab 16:44:30 03/23/09 ( 4)
- RE: As if a world full of wonderful studio recordings is irrelevant! - Don Till 19:09:10 03/23/09 ( 3)
- RE: As if a world full of wonderful studio recordings is irrelevant! - morricab 04:43:24 03/24/09 ( 2)
- Nice try - not! - Don Till 07:37:47 03/24/09 ( 1)
- RE: Nice try - not! - morricab 18:04:53 03/24/09 ( 0)
You asked if it was "good enough" yet. No, it's not. Why is that upsetting? - Enophile 15:05:53 03/16/09 ( 8)
- Because not even close is as good as it's going to get. - Don Till 16:08:32 03/16/09 ( 7)
- People like you have been saying that since day two of the recorded music era. - Enophile 16:21:38 03/16/09 ( 6)
- Since day 2! - Don Till 16:43:17 03/16/09 ( 5)
- RE: Since day 2! - morricab 10:17:12 03/22/09 ( 4)
- Come on! You're the only guy around here who agrees with me... - Don Till 09:38:22 03/23/09 ( 3)
- RE: Come on! You're the only guy around here who agrees with me... - morricab 16:47:15 03/23/09 ( 2)
- Yea and so what are you expecting in the future? - Don Till 19:13:05 03/23/09 ( 1)
- RE: Yea and so what are you expecting in the future? - morricab 04:46:43 03/24/09 ( 0)
Hey! ... get a grip! - bjh 14:54:38 03/16/09 ( 0)
Stereo LP playback is still improving after over 50 years...(nt) - mkuller 10:36:49 03/16/09 ( 9)
- Evolving: Yes; Improving: Questionable - Donald North 18:54:18 03/16/09 ( 7)
- RE: Evolving: Yes; Improving: Questionable - robert young 03:58:24 03/17/09 ( 6)
- RE: Evolving: Yes; Improving: Questionable - Donald North 11:24:59 03/17/09 ( 5)
- RE: Evolving: Yes; Improving: Questionable - robert young 12:13:02 03/17/09 ( 4)
- RE: Evolving: Yes; Improving: Questionable - Donald North 12:32:33 03/17/09 ( 3)
- RE: Evolving: Yes; Improving: Questionable - robert young 13:06:34 03/17/09 ( 2)
- RE: Evolving: Yes; Improving: Questionable - Donald North 13:44:32 03/17/09 ( 1)
- Thanks! - robert young 14:49:06 03/17/09 ( 0)
Yes, only vinyls can give us the heart & soul of the music - cheap-Jack 11:29:07 03/16/09 ( 0)
Only if "we" have figured out what it is we are trying to do. - Don Till 09:09:37 03/16/09 ( 23)
- In the case of digital I once - unclestu52 21:01:54 03/16/09 ( 4)
- RE: In the case of digital I once - Don Till 07:13:45 03/18/09 ( 0)
- RE: In the case of digital I once - Tony Lauck 09:26:25 03/17/09 ( 2)
- There is a definite difference - unclestu52 12:26:01 03/17/09 ( 1)
- RE: There is a definite difference - Tony Lauck 13:08:05 03/17/09 ( 0)
End of the search: - an acoustical live performance. - cheap-Jack 09:47:34 03/16/09 ( 17)
- No! If that's what you want why bother with hifi?. - Don Till 10:47:47 03/16/09 ( 16)
- Why not? - cheap-Jack 11:38:59 03/16/09 ( 15)
- Well I guess so but isn't that like me watching someone bowl or drive off-road on TV? - Don Till 19:05:03 03/16/09 ( 14)
- As long as you're not "dancing about architecture" - kerr 09:31:06 03/17/09 ( 6)
- RE: As long as you're not "dancing about architecture" - Don Till 11:09:48 03/17/09 ( 2)
- RE: As long as you're not "dancing about architecture" - kerr 11:41:02 03/17/09 ( 1)
- RE: As long as you're not "dancing about architecture" - Don Till 12:29:12 03/17/09 ( 0)
- RE: As long as you're not "dancing about architecture" - Tony Lauck 09:44:32 03/17/09 ( 2)
- RE: As long as you're not "dancing about architecture" - kerr 11:31:47 03/17/09 ( 1)
- RE: As long as you're not "dancing about architecture" - Tony Lauck 12:02:02 03/17/09 ( 0)
- What reference you use in yr "audio pursuits"? (nt) - cheap-Jack 06:54:06 03/17/09 ( 6)
- RE: What reference you use in yr "audio pursuits"? (nt) - Don Till 10:45:59 03/17/09 ( 5)
- Want to tell us what recordings are they? - cheap-Jack 11:06:40 03/17/09 ( 4)
- Ok but lets hear some of your reference too! - Don Till 11:36:34 03/17/09 ( 3)
- How do you judge the singers are singing right or not - cheap-Jack 13:21:39 03/17/09 ( 1)
- RE: How do you judge the singers are singing right or not - Don Till 14:47:06 03/17/09 ( 0)
- Yeah! - kerr 11:46:49 03/17/09 ( 0)
Nothing is good enough when compared to live performance. (nt) - cheap-Jack 08:04:07 03/16/09 ( 37)
- How can you say that? - Don Till 09:13:29 03/16/09 ( 36)
- Someone may like the Super Bowl better on TV, but do they mistake the two? - Enophile 13:07:26 03/16/09 ( 6)
- And no one's got the nuts to proclaim themselves the golden eyed video guru - Don Till 16:25:31 03/16/09 ( 0)
- It's stereo enophile! - Don Till 13:17:49 03/16/09 ( 4)
- Why keep adding your own crap? I didn't mention hidden truths. - Enophile 15:24:24 03/16/09 ( 3)
- Surely it must be the hidden or untapped realism on our recordings you are searching for - Don Till 16:11:10 03/16/09 ( 2)
- Untapped realism, that would be fine. Are you opposed to that? - Enophile 16:23:38 03/16/09 ( 1)
- It's got nothing to do with me being opposed to it. - Don Till 16:33:17 03/16/09 ( 0)
Very true: live performances really stink for sonics - Sordidman 10:39:26 03/16/09 ( 8)
- RE: Very true: live performances really stink for sonics - morricab 15:38:41 03/17/09 ( 0)
It depends where you sit in a concert hall. - cheap-Jack 11:22:30 03/16/09 ( 5)
- Or where you stand at a club? - Sordidman 16:10:15 03/16/09 ( 4)
- Are you religious? - cheap-Jack 07:41:29 03/17/09 ( 3)
- I have no clue what you're on about - Sordidman 09:15:29 03/17/09 ( 2)
- In a way it's kind of funny how some audiophiles look down at studio recordings! - Don Till 15:51:47 03/17/09 ( 1)
- Thanks for the explanation: i understand you better now - Sordidman 09:27:19 03/18/09 ( 0)
Not always but stereo will never capture a real live experience - Don Till 11:11:52 03/16/09 ( 0)
How many live performances have you attended recently - cheap-Jack 09:26:13 03/16/09 ( 19)
- what kind of live is being discussed? - mls-stl 11:02:51 03/16/09 ( 4)
- Of course, no HiFi can touch live. - cheap-Jack 11:14:34 03/16/09 ( 3)
- But sometimes "live" never existed - mls-stl 16:04:47 03/16/09 ( 2)
- Who needs AB blindtest type live vs recorded ?? - cheap-Jack 08:05:57 03/17/09 ( 1)
- were it that simple - mls-stl 09:16:46 03/17/09 ( 0)
How about you qualify your argument as your the one with such enlightened standards - Don Till 10:58:17 03/16/09 ( 13)
- RE: How about you qualify your argument as your the one with such enlightened standards - morricab 15:42:56 03/17/09 ( 3)
- Slow up pony! C-J is the one who's claiming stereo isn't good enough! - Don Till 16:35:57 03/17/09 ( 2)
- RE: Slow up pony! C-J is the one who's claiming stereo isn't good enough! - morricab 12:31:40 03/18/09 ( 1)
- RE: Slow up pony! C-J is the one who's claiming stereo isn't good enough! - Don Till 17:59:33 03/18/09 ( 0)
So what have you learnt from all those live performances.. - cheap-Jack 11:16:58 03/16/09 ( 8)
- What do you mean "that you claim to have attended"? - Don Till 11:43:07 03/16/09 ( 7)
- Yes, no HiFi can touch live. - cheap-Jack 11:57:44 03/16/09 ( 6)
- Sure if you want to tune setup and judge recording quality that make sense - Don Till 12:04:44 03/16/09 ( 5)
- Yes, from live acoustical performance, .. - cheap-Jack 13:09:54 03/16/09 ( 4)
- here's a simple question - Don Till 19:14:09 03/16/09 ( 3)
- RE: here's a simple question - theaudiohobby 09:33:44 03/18/09 ( 0)
- RE: here's a simple question - Tre' 22:45:19 03/16/09 ( 1)
- RE: here's a simple question - Don Till 22:58:22 03/16/09 ( 0)
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