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In Reply to: RE: So, like I've asked you before . . . posted by morricab on January 30, 2009 at 04:04:36:
I've done a similar test with a Steinway B grand piano. Not as difficult as a violin, perhaps. My results were slightly better, because I had miked close enough that I didn't get noticeable extra reverberation. It took some work positioning the microphones to get the sound properly dialed-in. (Easier to do with a piano, which doesn't move during a performance.) It also took some careful adjustments with the playback volume control. With the final version any differences between the live and recorded sound were similar to those that you would get when listening to the live instrument when moving from one seat to the next. Microphones were AKG C451Es and speakers Snell A III's.
Of course this is the easiest possible test case: one instrument and one room.
Tony Lauck
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - A Serious Proposal - thetubeguy1954 06:53:09 01/25/09 (229)
- "I hope this doesn't get deleted ,,," Why would it be deleted? It's a standard - bjh 16:12:52 02/2/09 (10)
- If I were the BORED,.. - cheap-Jack 13:41:11 02/3/09 (1)
- I *Am* Bored...... - Todd Krieger 21:05:49 02/3/09 (0)
- "BS post that is sure to get the normal crowd all worked up" - Richard BassNut Greene 16:39:03 02/2/09 (6)
- RE: "BS post that is sure to get the normal crowd all worked up" - robert young 16:48:42 02/2/09 (5)
- How True Robert! - thetubeguy1954 04:55:21 02/3/09 (4)
- I think you are responding to the wrong post. - robert young 06:57:29 02/3/09 (3)
- You're 100% Correct Robert! - thetubeguy1954 09:54:46 02/3/09 (0)
- Tubular's posts ALWAYS seem like he is responding to the wrong post ... - Richard BassNut Greene 07:34:03 02/3/09 (1)
- You're welcome! - robert young 07:57:34 02/3/09 (0)
- What took you so long? - robert young 16:35:33 02/2/09 (0)
- Doomed to fail. They only work if you pay full retail. - Enophile 12:31:10 01/29/09 (1)
- So There's No Sale....... - Todd Krieger 19:46:59 01/29/09 (0)
- "fraudulent shucksters of "snake-oil" are playing on the uninformed audiophile's susceptibility to suggestion" = ??????? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:05:58 01/29/09 (28)
- Who decides if "...a few people who think their audio product or tweak makes no audible difference, but decide - Norm 06:58:59 01/30/09 (27)
- RE: Who decides if "...a few people who think their audio product or tweak makes no audible difference, but decide - Richard BassNut Greene 13:20:04 01/30/09 (26)
- RE: Do people other than audiophiles try to sell tweaks? - rick_m 07:57:26 02/3/09 (1)
- I meant selling audio tweaks to audiophiles - Richard BassNut Greene 09:09:06 02/3/09 (0)
- So it is you who decides? You are in an entirely untenable position of saying only you or a select few are the - Norm 19:52:35 01/31/09 (4)
- I'm trying to decide if you are annoying or very annoying - Richard BassNut Greene 08:32:34 02/2/09 (3)
- I hope so! You continue with your unscientific nonsense. - Norm 10:04:28 02/2/09 (2)
- You've helped me decide - Richard BassNut Greene 12:58:58 02/2/09 (1)
- I knew long ago. It is part of teaching research methods for 40 years. nt - Norm 07:38:30 02/4/09 (0)
- Gotta question for ya - E-Stat 15:54:43 01/30/09 (18)
- RE: "I don't have the foggiest concept of placement or connection of a Jar of Rocks." - geoffkait 04:49:37 01/31/09 (14)
- By all means, then - E-Stat 07:29:24 01/31/09 (13)
- RE: "You'll find that I'm certainly not tweak averse. " - geoffkait 09:40:54 01/31/09 (12)
- You still haven't answered the original question - E-Stat 09:54:05 01/31/09 (11)
- RE: You still haven't answered the original question - geoffkait 09:58:09 01/31/09 (10)
- I really didn't expect an intelligent response from you - E-Stat 10:11:16 01/31/09 (9)
- RE: "How could you control the tester's knowledge of the presence or absence of the DUT?" - geoffkait 10:28:52 01/31/09 (8)
- While your knee was busy jerking you around - E-Stat 10:54:32 01/31/09 (7)
- RE: "How can you ensure the tester(s) are unaware of the changes they must affect for the use of the tweak?" - geoffkait 12:20:20 01/31/09 (6)
- Simple explanation - E-Stat 13:00:37 01/31/09 (5)
- A more serious method... - Tony Lauck 14:22:56 01/31/09 (1)
- Your complex test *simulation* example - E-Stat 14:30:02 02/1/09 (0)
- RE: Simple explanation - geoffkait 14:12:07 01/31/09 (2)
- Once again, my commentary - E-Stat 15:34:24 01/31/09 (1)
- RE: "...difference between single and double blind tests. Yours were of the single variety." - geoffkait 16:03:28 01/31/09 (0)
- Got an answer for ya - Tony Lauck 17:55:59 01/30/09 (2)
- careful... - CD 16:20:20 01/31/09 (0)
- That's it!!!! - E-Stat 07:44:30 01/31/09 (0)
- I'll get started on the business plan. - CD 14:19:46 01/28/09 (7)
- here you go. - Analog Scott 22:00:39 01/28/09 (5)
- Bounds of science? - rick_m 08:18:10 01/31/09 (4)
- RE: Bounds of science? - Tony Lauck 09:16:28 01/31/09 (3)
- RE: Bounds of science? - rick_m 11:00:34 01/31/09 (2)
- keep in mind - Analog Scott 13:05:45 01/31/09 (1)
- Oh, it was funny... - rick_m 14:30:44 01/31/09 (0)
- my humble contribution - Dan Banquer 15:14:15 01/28/09 (0)
- A Serious Proposal that could result in a counter productive message and criminal charges - Bambi B 08:53:31 01/28/09 (9)
- You Apparently Missed Where I Also Stated Here... - thetubeguy1954 12:10:12 01/28/09 (4)
- Still, a better way to protect the gullible audiophile,.. - Bambi B 17:15:32 01/28/09 (3)
- I Partially Agree... - thetubeguy1954 11:06:27 01/29/09 (0)
- I'm all for... - E-Stat 18:53:54 01/28/09 (1)
- I meant to mention too that the tests should use only music performed on the virginal (nt) - Bambi B 00:52:07 01/29/09 (0)
- The legality of it - Analog Scott 10:00:29 01/28/09 (3)
- RE: The legality of it - Bambi B 10:32:08 01/28/09 (2)
- That could lead to some interesting court cases - Analog Scott 11:13:26 01/28/09 (1)
- Good points - Bambi B 12:29:36 01/28/09 (0)
- For the life of me.... - LarryB 13:52:21 01/27/09 (3)
- Well put - kerr 15:27:31 01/27/09 (2)
- "I'm ready and willing to become an objectivist" - Richard BassNut Greene 08:57:21 01/28/09 (1)
- Well... - kerr 09:05:31 01/28/09 (0)
- Why are you such a donk, tubeguy?? - morricab 15:35:05 01/26/09 (94)
- "I have no tweaks whatsoever in my system..." - Al Sekela 11:50:10 01/28/09 (10)
- RE: "I have no tweaks whatsoever in my system..." - morricab 03:52:05 01/30/09 (9)
- Yes, I was fishing for your conception of 'tweak.' - Al Sekela 13:41:36 01/30/09 (8)
- RE: Yes, I was fishing for your conception of 'tweak.' - morricab 02:24:34 01/31/09 (7)
- We're done. - Al Sekela 12:26:48 01/31/09 (6)
- No, I don't think so Al - morricab 07:30:33 02/1/09 (5)
- Answering questions... - Al Sekela 11:16:48 02/1/09 (4)
- RE: Answering questions... - robert young 16:44:49 02/2/09 (0)
- RE: Answering questions... - morricab 10:56:17 02/2/09 (2)
- I'll try to explain myself one more time. - Al Sekela 13:56:34 02/4/09 (1)
- RE: I'll try to explain myself one more time. - morricab 16:37:26 02/4/09 (0)
- Who died and made you the Prop Head ALERT Moderator? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:23:09 01/27/09 (2)
- RE: Who died and made you the Prop Head ALERT Moderator? - morricab 06:49:33 01/28/09 (0)
- RE: Very well put... - theaudiohobby 01:49:55 01/28/09 (0)
- RE: Why are you such a donk, Brad?? - thetubeguy1954 05:14:26 01/27/09 (70)
- You've told us what you think the motivation of LFO is *not*, but haven't told us what it is. - Pat D 13:47:37 01/29/09 (38)
- What's your methodolgy and how is it based in reality? - Tony Lauck 18:47:14 01/29/09 (37)
- RE: What's your methodolgy and how is it based in reality? - Pat D 11:15:09 01/30/09 (36)
- RE: What's your methodolgy and how is it based in reality? - Tony Lauck 11:54:42 01/30/09 (35)
- RE: What's your methodolgy and how is it based in reality? - Pat D 15:30:57 01/30/09 (34)
- RE: What's your methodolgy and how is it based in reality? - Tony Lauck 17:46:33 01/30/09 (33)
- RE: What's your methodolgy and how is it based in reality? - Pat D 20:22:21 01/30/09 (32)
- RE: What's your methodolgy and how is it based in reality? - Tony Lauck 06:59:42 01/31/09 (31)
- RE: What's your methodolgy and how is it based in reality? - Pat D 10:45:36 01/31/09 (30)
- Try Dialectic Materialism. That one fits you a bit. (nt) - robert young 15:22:28 01/31/09 (29)
- RE: Dielectric materials. - rick_m 09:30:29 02/1/09 (9)
- That's pretty clever, though Wikipedia came up with it first . . . - Pat D 19:17:35 02/2/09 (3)
- You really are... - robert young 06:59:51 02/3/09 (2)
- RE: You really are... - Pat D 09:54:59 02/3/09 (1)
- very true. - robert young 09:57:57 02/3/09 (0)
- Glad you (nearly) got the joke. - robert young 10:36:39 02/1/09 (4)
- Couldn't resist the obvious pun... - rick_m 19:20:21 02/1/09 (2)
- RE: Couldn't resist the obvious pun... - robert young 04:04:49 02/2/09 (1)
- RE: Couldn't resist the obvious pun... - rick_m 07:42:29 02/2/09 (0)
- Tres amusant. nt - geoffkait 10:47:13 02/1/09 (0)
- LOL--that's really funny! - Pat D 17:09:34 01/31/09 (18)
- RE: LOL--that's really funny! - robert young 07:30:44 02/1/09 (17)
- RE: LOL--that's really funny! - Pat D 10:31:53 02/1/09 (16)
- RE: LOL--that's really funny! - robert young 10:54:01 02/1/09 (15)
- RE: LOL--that's really funny! - Pat D 12:32:01 02/1/09 (14)
- You seem to have lost track of the thread. - robert young 15:08:00 02/1/09 (13)
- I can only go by what you say . . . - Pat D 16:58:47 02/1/09 (12)
- Focus, Pat, focus.... - robert young 10:28:01 02/2/09 (10)
- Well, now, you and Tony Lauck alleged I am a materialist with no evidence. - Pat D 19:14:50 02/2/09 (3)
- Just the reply I expected. - robert young 03:47:53 02/3/09 (2)
- Well, Tony at least expressed some desire for communication--you just made a clumsy attempt at a joke. (nt) - Pat D 06:47:16 02/3/09 (1)
- The joke came first and many efforts at communication with you followed. - robert young 06:56:24 02/3/09 (0)
- RE: Focus, Pat, focus.... - Tony Lauck 10:50:13 02/2/09 (5)
- Focus Tony - Pat D 22:31:31 02/4/09 (4)
- RE: Focus Tony - Tony Lauck 04:56:41 02/5/09 (3)
- RE: Focus Tony - Pat D 08:09:24 02/5/09 (2)
- RE: Focus Tony - Tony Lauck 10:22:41 02/5/09 (1)
- RE: Focus Tony - Pat D 11:18:26 02/5/09 (0)
- RE: I can only go by what you say . . . - theaudiohobby 17:13:28 02/1/09 (0)
- RE: Why are you such a donk, Brad?? - Kristian 09:16:39 01/27/09 (30)
- Completely Wrong.... As Usual Kristian. - thetubeguy1954 10:17:51 01/27/09 (29)
- Funny, you reaffirm my point in your title! Or didn't you notice? nt. - Kristian 12:26:31 01/27/09 (28)
- You're Still Completely Wrong Kristian! - thetubeguy1954 05:08:01 01/28/09 (27)
- You're the damned Energizer Bunny. Quit already. nt. - Kristian 08:55:55 01/28/09 (26)
- Try holding up a silver cross and wear a garlic clove necklace - Richard BassNut Greene 08:59:51 01/28/09 (25)
- Kristain Just Needs To Know What He's Talking About & Stop Whinning When He's Confronted For Being Wrong! - thetubeguy1954 11:57:24 01/28/09 (24)
- Boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom....nt - Kristian 08:57:35 01/29/09 (23)
- Looking for volunteers for Double-Blonde Tests at my penthouse -- no experience necessary - Richard BassNut Greene 09:11:56 01/29/09 (4)
- Energizer bunny....nt - Kristian 09:31:21 01/29/09 (3)
- Are you saying that Tubeguy is the energizer bunny or that you are? - Analog Scott 13:49:54 01/29/09 (2)
- I know, I know, it's too much fun! nt. - Kristian 14:39:55 01/29/09 (0)
- Excellent post - Richard BassNut Greene 14:25:03 01/29/09 (0)
- Exactly The Type Of Response I'd Expect From A LFO Kristain. - thetubeguy1954 09:06:16 01/29/09 (17)
- RE: Exactly The Type Of Response I'd Expect From A LFO Kristain. - Kristian 09:49:05 01/29/09 (16)
- RE: Exactly The Type Of Response I'd Expect From A LFO Kristain. - thetubeguy1954 11:31:22 01/29/09 (15)
- Tom, there's nothing wrong with having a preference. - robert young 04:13:33 01/30/09 (3)
- You're 100% Correct Robert! - thetubeguy1954 11:47:27 01/30/09 (2)
- "My system is a great, big tonecontrol that alters the sound of the signal in many ways." - robert young 15:38:16 01/31/09 (1)
- RE: "My system is a great, big tonecontrol that alters the sound of the signal in many ways." - thetubeguy1954 16:56:09 01/31/09 (0)
- RE: Exactly The Type Of Response I'd Expect From A LFO Kristain. - Kristian 12:11:19 01/29/09 (1)
- RE: Exactly The Type Of Response I'd Expect From A LFO Kristain. - thetubeguy1954 11:04:06 01/30/09 (0)
- So, like I've asked you before . . . - Pat D 11:59:02 01/29/09 (8)
- Chirp, Chirp, Chirp, Still Waiting For An Answer Of When You Ever Asked Me This Question Pat (nt) - thetubeguy1954 14:53:53 02/1/09 (0)
- When Have You Ever Asked Me That Question Before Pat? - thetubeguy1954 06:15:43 01/31/09 (0)
- RE: So, like I've asked you before . . . - morricab 04:04:36 01/30/09 (5)
- RE: So, like I've asked you before . . . - Pat D 11:03:49 01/30/09 (1)
- RE: So, like I've asked you before . . . - morricab 02:29:04 01/31/09 (0)
- RE: So, like I've asked you before . . . - Tony Lauck 01/30/0910:17:13 01/30/09 (2)
- RE: So, like I've asked you before . . . - Pat D 11:05:42 01/30/09 (1)
- RE: So, like I've asked you before . . . - Tony Lauck 11:41:37 01/30/09 (0)
- RE: Why are you such a donk, tubeguy?? - Todd Krieger 17:56:24 01/26/09 (0)
- RE: Why are you such a donk, tubeguy?? - Ugly 16:32:18 01/26/09 (0)
- RE: "How can I be so smug, you say, its called experience and a well trained ear." - geoffkait 16:22:09 01/26/09 (6)
- Folks who make a living defrauding the public - Kristian 09:04:47 01/27/09 (2)
- How much cred do audiophools toiling away in mediocrity possess?… - Wellfed 17:11:53 01/27/09 (0)
- RE: Folks who make a living defrauding the public - rick_m 15:16:30 01/27/09 (0)
- RE: "How can I be so smug, you say, its called experience and a well trained ear." - morricab 06:44:50 01/27/09 (2)
- You're a stooge plus you lack character. nt - geoffkait 17:48:46 01/28/09 (1)
- Boy, that's rich, someone like you accusing folks of lacking character! - Kristian 09:08:21 01/29/09 (0)
- RE: A Serious Proposal - Kristian 10:46:41 01/26/09 (10)
- RE: A Serious Proposal - Pat D 20:29:08 01/27/09 (5)
- Wrong As Usual Pat! - thetubeguy1954 10:03:54 01/31/09 (4)
- It was your proposal, Tom . - Pat D 13:47:44 02/1/09 (3)
- This Is Your Mistaken Interpretation Of My Proposal Pat. - thetubeguy1954 15:59:27 02/1/09 (2)
- Your clarified proposal still didn't result in a proposal for an honest business. - Pat D 19:36:51 02/2/09 (1)
- Nice Total Evading Of .... - thetubeguy1954 05:16:52 02/3/09 (0)
- More LFO B$ - thetubeguy1954 10:27:47 01/27/09 (0)
- RE: A Serious Proposal - Todd Krieger 17:44:45 01/26/09 (1)
- Oh pity the poor old Controll. - Al Sekela 10:37:08 01/27/09 (0)
- so have you ever walked into a church.... - Analog Scott 11:54:57 01/26/09 (0)
- "fraudulent shucksters of snake-oil are playing on the uninformed audiophile's susceptibility to suggestion" - Richard BassNut Greene 09:10:05 01/26/09 (1)
- RE: "fraudulent shucksters of snake-oil are playing on the uninformed audiophile's susceptibility to suggestion" - Pat D 20:24:29 01/27/09 (0)
- RE: A Serious Proposal - Todd Krieger 21:25:58 01/25/09 (0)
- I've got to get me a bag of those things! - Don T 14:05:44 01/25/09 (0)
- RE: A Serious Proposal - Tony Lauck 12:22:13 01/25/09 (46)
- RE: A Serious Proposal - andy19191 00:20:12 01/27/09 (38)
- RE: A Serious Proposal - Tony Lauck 07:08:49 01/27/09 (3)
- RE: A Serious Proposal - andy19191 11:56:40 01/27/09 (2)
- RE: A Serious Proposal - Tony Lauck 12:51:40 01/27/09 (1)
- RE: A Serious Proposal - andy19191 13:22:45 01/27/09 (0)
- RE: Audiophile phenomenon? - rick_m 04:20:32 01/27/09 (33)
- I asked him for specifics a long time ago - E-Stat 16:05:44 01/27/09 (2)
- RE: I asked him for specifics a long time ago - andy19191 23:59:13 01/27/09 (1)
- Here are the two unanswered ones - E-Stat 06:04:16 01/28/09 (0)
- RE: Audiophile phenomenon? - andy19191 12:08:48 01/27/09 (29)
- Flat earth audiophile beliefs? - Analog Scott 15:35:23 01/27/09 (25)
- RE: Flat earth audiophile beliefs? - andy19191 23:44:27 01/27/09 (24)
- RE: Flat earth audiophile beliefs? - Analog Scott 10:18:30 01/28/09 (23)
- Perfect Sound: "Science" not Marketing - Tony Lauck 11:25:23 01/28/09 (22)
- RE: Perfect Sound: "Science" not Marketing - theaudiohobby 11:58:50 01/28/09 (21)
- As opposed to... - E-Stat 19:15:29 01/28/09 (0)
- RE: Perfect Sound: "Science" not Marketing - Tony Lauck 12:25:04 01/28/09 (19)
- RE: Perfect Sound: "Science" not Marketing - theaudiohobby 04:59:41 01/29/09 (18)
- RE: Perfect Sound: "Science" not Marketing - Tony Lauck 07:47:34 01/29/09 (17)
- RE: Perfect Sound: "Science" not Marketing - theaudiohobby 08:43:30 01/29/09 (16)
- RE: Perfect Sound: "Science" not Marketing - morricab 06:56:08 01/30/09 (4)
- RE: It's a marketing slogan not a scientific definition - theaudiohobby 02:43:43 01/31/09 (2)
- RE: It's a marketing slogan not a scientific definition - morricab 11:26:31 02/1/09 (1)
- RE: It's a marketing slogan not a scientific definition - theaudiohobby 17:08:38 02/1/09 (0)
- Warning to LFOs: Caution! Anecdotal Evidence! - Tony Lauck 07:30:29 01/30/09 (0)
- "The man on the street given his experience with vinyl ..." - robert young 10:31:20 01/29/09 (0)
- RE: Perfect Sound: "Science" not Marketing - Tony Lauck 10:26:59 01/29/09 (9)
- Perfect time to check out - E-Stat 19:38:40 02/3/09 (0)
- RE: Why attribute a scientific definition to a marketing slogan - theaudiohobby 01:23:20 01/30/09 (7)
- I'm not certain that I did. - robert young 04:32:37 01/30/09 (6)
- RE: I'm not certain that I did. - theaudiohobby 08:46:04 01/30/09 (5)
- Spare me... - robert young 14:06:30 01/31/09 (4)
- RE: Does not take away from my point.... - theaudiohobby 14:52:07 01/31/09 (3)
- Originally in this thread - Analog Scott 18:21:35 01/31/09 (2)
- RE: Originally in this thread - theaudiohobby 03:31:57 02/1/09 (1)
- RE: Originally in this thread - Analog Scott 09:17:38 02/2/09 (0)
- RE: Audiophile phenomenon? - rick_m 14:50:27 01/27/09 (2)
- RE: Audiophile phenomenon? - andy19191 23:29:20 01/27/09 (1)
- RE: Audiophile phenomenon? - rick_m 10:29:01 01/28/09 (0)
- Yes. - Ugly 13:11:58 01/26/09 (6)
- Let Me Clarify My Point On This Issue. - thetubeguy1954 05:39:18 01/27/09 (5)
- RE: Let Me Clarify My Point On This Issue. - kerr 06:06:03 01/27/09 (4)
- It's like voodoo dolls - Atexanathome 14:58:43 01/28/09 (3)
- Do you have... - kerr 05:29:47 01/29/09 (2)
- I've got anecdotal evidence they scare people - Atexanathome 17:02:27 01/29/09 (1)
- How silly - kerr 04:45:57 01/30/09 (0)
- RE: A Serious Proposal - tomservo 11:50:23 01/25/09 (7)
- RE: A Serious Proposal - thetubeguy1954 12:22:18 01/25/09 (6)
- "I have no problem with anyone not believing in brillant pebbles, intelligent chips or clever clocks" - Richard BassNut Greene 09:30:42 01/26/09 (1)
- RE: "much too small to have an audible effect" - rick_m 04:45:25 01/27/09 (0)
- Maybe this will help... - robert young 13:57:26 01/25/09 (3)
- Hey Young Robert -- watch Robert Young - Richard BassNut Greene 09:23:01 01/26/09 (1)
- Great noir... - robert young 09:31:45 01/26/09 (0)
- RE: Maybe this will help... - tomservo 14:17:58 01/25/09 (0)
Follow Ups
- RE: So, like I've asked you before . . . - Tony Lauck 01/30/0910:17:13 01/30/09 (2)
- RE: So, like I've asked you before . . . - Pat D 11:05:42 01/30/09 (1)
- RE: So, like I've asked you before . . . - Tony Lauck 11:41:37 01/30/09 (0)