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I was actually quite surprised to learn of there's an audio forum called Hydrogenaudio where all members that put forth a statement concerning subjective sound quality, must -- to the best of their ability -- provide objective support for their claims! This sounds like it's describing exactly the type of forum theaudiohobby is constantly whining that PHP is "supposed" to be like, when he cries & snivels ad nauseam, about how the subjectivists have hijacked this thread.I've stated numerous times before that based on what I see happening the LFOs here on PHP, like the audiohobby and his friends don't really want to have technical discussions but, rather they want this to be a place where they can constantly berate & disparage subjectivist beliefs while they all pat each other on the back about how correct they are for not being stupid enough to fall into subjectivism!
Meanwhile as they are whining about how there are no technical discussions here on PHP, do they simply choose to ignore subjective posts and create technical posts and confer amongst themselves on these issues? NO, they don't! What they actually do is they continually create posts attacking subjectivist opinions, while heaping words of praise on each other for practicing & defending their own brand of pseudo-scientific audio religon as they bow and worship to their DBT god.
Call me crazy but, if these people honestly wanted a place free of subjective opinions wouldn't they go to where subjectivists aren't allowed to make subjective statements sans the "proof" they're always demanding? From what I've read the Hydrogenaudio forum is exactly where people who truly, honestly want to talk about technical audio issues, sans subjective opinions would be and in fact, are posting.
Those who post here on PHP ridiculing, berating and disparaging subjectivist beliefs are doing exactly what they want to be doing, i.e. they're attempting via pseudo-science to make everyone accept and believe their audio dogma is the one, true correct way! Anything else they cry and whine about the lack of technical discussions is a smokescreen to hide their true intentions and finally that "truth" has been revealed for everyone to see. There are plenty of places to have exactly the type of discussions these people claim to so desperately desire. Yet strangely enough they choose to remain posting here, while whining it's not the place they want it to be... strange behavior for a group of "supposedly" rational, technically objective, scientifically orientated individuals huh?
Thetubeguy1954
A Rational Subjectivist
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Topic - The "Truth" Is Finally Revealed! - thetubeguy1954 12:59:45 05/21/08 ( 159)
- RE: The "Truth" Is Finally Revealed! - audioAl 03:43:58 07/4/08 ( 0)
Nice work Sherlock! - Don T 12:52:10 05/22/08 ( 26)
- RE: Nice work Sherlock! - Awe-d-o-file 08:44:26 05/24/08 ( 15)
- "Attack his post not him:" -- his post IS him - Richard BassNut Greene 12:17:15 05/24/08 ( 14)
- That droning noise again... I'm afraid you're taking the idea of being large and hairy too literally, ... - carcass93 20:35:48 05/24/08 ( 1)
- Sticks and stones may break my bones but they never win arguments and just make you look like a fool (nt) - Richard BassNut Greene 06:42:31 05/27/08 ( 0)
- "When audiophiles state an "I know what I hear and coudn't be wrong opinion", there's nothing you can do..." - Analog Scott 17:40:50 05/24/08 ( 9)
- That's One Of RBG's Many Fantasy Audiopile Beliefs - thetubeguy1954 10:21:31 05/29/08 ( 0)
- High end audiophiles almost never admit to NOT hearing a difference = gross overconfidence ... - Richard BassNut Greene 07:33:48 05/27/08 ( 2)
- RE: High end audiophiles almost never admit to NOT hearing a difference = gross overconfidence ... - Analog Scott 14:06:17 05/27/08 ( 1)
- You clearly haven't followed what tubular has claimed to do . . . - Pat D 20:00:11 05/31/08 ( 0)
- Won't happen - E-Stat 09:51:19 05/25/08 ( 4)
- I don't attack anyone -- I just ask how they reach conclusions about audio and that seems like an attack .... - Richard BassNut Greene 07:41:15 05/27/08 ( 3)
- So - E-Stat 08:09:59 05/27/08 ( 2)
- Why would you care? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:18:59 05/27/08 ( 1)
- Simple - E-Stat 09:44:43 05/27/08 ( 0)
RE: "Attack his post not him:" -- his post IS him - Awe-d-o-file 13:03:53 05/24/08 ( 1)
- Are you running for office? - Richard BassNut Greene 07:56:43 05/27/08 ( 0)
Thats's "Mister Sherlock" to you buddy -- show some respect. (nt) - Richard BassNut Greene 14:26:21 05/23/08 ( 0)
That's Typical Don T Stupidity! - thetubeguy1954 13:17:37 05/22/08 ( 8)
- Shutter what? - tomsyl1 03:00:20 05/24/08 ( 0)
Normally I respond on topic to accusations, foggy notions and blatherings as presented by your topic.. - Don T 16:26:34 05/22/08 ( 6)
- At Least You Believe That's True... - thetubeguy1954 09:21:18 05/23/08 ( 5)
- Your time is going to come - Don T 13:45:32 05/27/08 ( 0)
- Hey, BassNut! Calling BassNut! - kerr 09:41:04 05/23/08 ( 3)
- Looks like Tubular has a sense of humor? - Richard BassNut Greene 14:25:15 05/23/08 ( 0)
- RE: Hey, BassNut! Calling BassNut! - thetubeguy1954 10:51:54 05/23/08 ( 1)
- "I'd probably say if bullshit was electricity he'd be a powerhouse!" - Richard BassNut Greene 09:21:43 05/27/08 ( 0)
You didn't know about H-audio? - E-Stat 16:26:52 05/21/08 ( 105)
- RE: You didn't know about H-audio? - rick_m 08:16:27 05/22/08 ( 0)
Nope I Didn't Know About H-audio! - thetubeguy1954 19:39:19 05/21/08 ( 1)
- You should check it out - kerr 07:09:12 05/22/08 ( 0)
RE: You didn't know about H-audio? - tomsyl1 17:06:07 05/21/08 ( 101)
- You simply restate that which was discussed - E-Stat 19:53:33 05/21/08 ( 100)
- RE: You simply restate that which was discussed - tomsyl1 01:12:31 05/22/08 ( 99)
- RE: You simply restate that which was discussed - Analog Scott 12:55:16 05/22/08 ( 5)
- Well, yes and no - tomsyl1 15:36:14 05/22/08 ( 3)
- RE: Well, yes and no - Analog Scott 22:38:18 05/22/08 ( 1)
- RE: Well, yes and no - tomsyl1 14:18:51 05/23/08 ( 0)
- Terminal Navel Gazers sometimes get hit on the head by an apple. - Tony Lauck 17:55:12 05/22/08 ( 0)
- Nice way to restate my comments from a different perspective - E-Stat 13:22:01 05/22/08 ( 0)
Laws of Inertia don't preclude detection if noise low enough - Tony Lauck 09:37:01 05/22/08 ( 63)
- RE: Laws of Inertia don't preclude detection if noise low enough - tomsyl1 12:01:34 05/25/08 ( 2)
- Ears 120 db, electronics maybe, but not mine. - Tony Lauck 14:11:45 05/25/08 ( 1)
- That Lynx L22 looks very interesting - tomsyl1 14:24:43 05/25/08 ( 0)
Thanks for the link, but it wasn't directly on point - tomsyl1 15:50:09 05/22/08 ( 59)
- RE: Thanks for the link, but it wasn't directly on point - Tony Lauck 17:43:59 05/22/08 ( 58)
- What if the jitter, as some claim, is measured at the wrong place? nt - clarkjohnsen 09:44:11 05/23/08 ( 33)
- RE: What if the jitter, as some claim, is measured at the wrong place? - Tony Lauck 12:37:44 05/23/08 ( 32)
- RE: What if the jitter, as some claim, is measured at the wrong place? - tomsyl1 14:16:08 05/23/08 ( 31)
- RE: What if the jitter, as some claim, is measured at the wrong place? - Tony Lauck 15:00:20 05/23/08 ( 30)
- RE: What if the jitter, as some claim, is measured at the wrong place? - tomsyl1 20:08:35 05/24/08 ( 3)
- RE: What if the jitter, as some claim, is measured at the wrong place? - Tony Lauck 06:38:41 05/25/08 ( 1)
- I think you hit the nail on the head, Tony, - tomsyl1 13:29:07 05/25/08 ( 0)
- RE: What if the jitter, as some claim, is measured at the wrong place? - rick_m 00:38:19 05/25/08 ( 0)
- "Should" (and its companion "shouldn't") are way-overused words these days -- weasel words. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:26:13 05/24/08 ( 25)
- RE: "Should" (and its companion "shouldn't") are way-overused words these days -- weasel words. nt - rick_m 00:15:21 05/25/08 ( 6)
- "Weasel words." Wiki-weasel says it well: - clarkjohnsen 12:03:28 05/25/08 ( 5)
- RE: "Weasel words." Wiki-weasel says it well: - rick_m 12:52:41 05/25/08 ( 4)
- These words are used with precise meaning - Tony Lauck 19:40:35 05/25/08 ( 3)
- RE: These words are used with precise meaning - rick_m 19:56:55 05/25/08 ( 2)
- I posted in the wrong place. - Tony Lauck 20:03:28 05/25/08 ( 1)
- Lighten up, guys. I just said they were "way overused". nt - clarkjohnsen 10:17:50 05/26/08 ( 0)
- Theory is just that -- Theory - Tony Lauck 13:42:09 05/24/08 ( 17)
- Well, theory is the first step to discovery - tomsyl1 12:09:47 05/25/08 ( 15)
- Actually the first step in discovery is usually observation - morricab 02:04:38 05/27/08 ( 0)
- You are ignoring serendipity. - rick_m 13:35:22 05/25/08 ( 13)
- Nothinbg wrong with random discoveries, but what happens next - tomsyl1 13:42:03 05/25/08 ( 12)
- RE: Nothinbg wrong with random discoveries, but what happens next - rick_m 19:17:50 05/25/08 ( 11)
- Rick, I actually think we are in complete agreement - tomsyl1 14:45:06 05/26/08 ( 4)
- RE: Rick, I actually think we are in complete agreement - rick_m 16:17:34 05/26/08 ( 3)
- Rick: tube amps and cables - tomsyl1 16:41:09 05/26/08 ( 2)
- RE: Good show. - rick_m 23:36:30 05/26/08 ( 1)
- RE: Good show. - tomsyl1 00:36:04 05/27/08 ( 0)
- RE: Nothinbg wrong with random discoveries, but what happens next - tomsyl1 04:11:26 05/26/08 ( 5)
- RE: Nothinbg wrong with random discoveries, but what happens next - rick_m 08:55:18 05/26/08 ( 4)
- RE: Nothinbg wrong with random discoveries, but what happens next - geoffkait 09:06:48 05/26/08 ( 3)
- Level? - rick_m 10:43:19 05/26/08 ( 2)
- RE: Level? - geoffkait 11:01:37 05/26/08 ( 1)
- RE: Level? - rick_m 11:09:56 05/26/08 ( 0)
- Wise words. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:42:52 05/25/08 ( 0)
Thanks for the info and the link, Tony - tomsyl1 19:25:27 05/22/08 ( 23)
- RE: Thanks for the info and the link, Tony - Tony Lauck 05:54:00 05/23/08 ( 22)
- RE: Thanks for the info and the link, Tony - tomsyl1 13:53:50 05/23/08 ( 21)
- RE: Thanks for the info and the link, Tony - jpvs 15:24:18 05/23/08 ( 20)
- RE: Noise floor. - rick_m 18:55:42 05/23/08 ( 12)
- RE: Noise floor. - jpvs 22:09:26 05/26/08 ( 8)
- RE: Noise floor. - rick_m 07:44:14 05/27/08 ( 7)
- Spread Spectrum Communications - Tony Lauck 08:03:06 05/27/08 ( 6)
- RE: Spread Spectrum Communications - jpvs 09:47:07 05/27/08 ( 4)
- RE: Spread Spectrum Communications - Tony Lauck 12:05:35 05/27/08 ( 0)
- RE: Spread Spectrum Communications - geoffkait 10:20:41 05/27/08 ( 2)
- Thanks - jpvs 19:28:38 05/27/08 ( 1)
- RE: Thanks - geoffkait 02:59:22 05/28/08 ( 0)
- RE: Spread Spectrum Communications - rick_m 08:09:50 05/27/08 ( 0)
- RE: Noise floor. - Tony Lauck 05:45:36 05/24/08 ( 2)
- RE: Noise floor. - rick_m 08:06:11 05/24/08 ( 1)
- RE: Noise floor. - jpvs 22:14:49 05/26/08 ( 0)
More and greater stuff than I knew, certainly, and thanks for that - tomsyl1 16:35:15 05/23/08 ( 6)
- RE: More and greater stuff than I knew, certainly, and thanks for that - jpvs 21:55:53 05/26/08 ( 5)
- RE: More and greater stuff than I knew, certainly, and thanks for that - rick_m 08:04:42 05/27/08 ( 0)
- Again, I learn a ton of new stuff - tomsyl1 00:47:40 05/27/08 ( 3)
- RE: Again, I learn a ton of new stuff - jpvs 10:12:49 05/27/08 ( 2)
- Live versus Memorex - tomsyl1 13:08:24 05/27/08 ( 1)
- RE: Live versus Memorex - jpvs 19:49:45 05/27/08 ( 0)
RE: Jitter. - rick_m 08:58:15 05/22/08 ( 12)
- RE: Jitter. - tomsyl1 10:46:27 05/22/08 ( 11)
- RE: Jitter. - rick_m 15:18:11 05/22/08 ( 3)
- RE: Jitter. - tomsyl1 16:50:26 05/22/08 ( 0)
- Great app note by Julian Dunn there - andy_c 16:11:57 05/22/08 ( 1)
- RE: Great app note by Julian Dunn there - rick_m 17:05:17 05/22/08 ( 0)
RE: Jitter. - Dan Banquer 10:59:07 05/22/08 ( 6)
- RE: Jitter. - jon_s 23:57:50 05/22/08 ( 1)
- RE: Jitter. - Dan Banquer 04:35:44 05/23/08 ( 0)
First, Dan: yes, we are having fun. %^) - tomsyl1 12:35:47 05/22/08 ( 2)
- RE: First, Dan: yes, we are having fun. %^) - Dan Banquer 12:52:32 05/22/08 ( 1)
- In case you thought I was making this up . . . - tomsyl1 14:31:15 05/22/08 ( 0)
Tony's post above references an interesting Analog Devices app note - andy_c 11:07:09 05/22/08 ( 0)
I read exactly what you said - E-Stat 05:00:18 05/22/08 ( 15)
- RE: I read exactly what you said - tomsyl1 10:51:28 05/22/08 ( 12)
- "Saying that something 'sounds unlikely' is hardly ridiculing it..." - E-Stat 13:13:51 05/22/08 ( 11)
- RE: "Saying that something 'sounds unlikely' is hardly ridiculing it..." - tomsyl1 15:16:00 05/22/08 ( 10)
- It would seem you are misquoting - E-Stat 16:36:13 05/22/08 ( 9)
- For the umpteenth time, It. Was. Not. A .Test. - tomsyl1 17:03:52 05/22/08 ( 8)
- Fine - E-Stat 20:44:12 05/22/08 ( 7)
- RE: Fine - tomsyl1 21:30:33 05/22/08 ( 6)
- Not enough data for reasoned answer - E-Stat 06:02:53 05/23/08 ( 5)
- Asymptotically approaching zero. - tomsyl1 15:35:58 05/23/08 ( 4)
- Simple answer - E-Stat 16:12:50 05/23/08 ( 3)
- I.e., you have no answer. - tomsyl1 16:38:35 05/23/08 ( 2)
- The answer is - E-Stat 18:04:20 05/23/08 ( 1)
- OK, that's helpful - thanks - tomsyl1 23:28:16 05/23/08 ( 0)
"Unless of course, you just want to ridicule that which is not really known." It happens a lot! nt - clarkjohnsen 07:42:32 05/22/08 ( 1)
- RE: "Unless of course, you just want to ridicule that which is not really known." It happens a lot! nt - tomsyl1 10:54:22 05/22/08 ( 0)
Interesting assessment - kerr 14:34:51 05/21/08 ( 0)
Hydrogenaudio is the place for them! Only you omitted the link, so here it is: - clarkjohnsen 13:42:19 05/21/08 ( 1)
- And I've provided a link for you and this thread - AJinFLA 14:14:45 05/21/08 ( 0)
RE: The "Truth" Is Finally Revealed! - LarryB 13:29:56 05/21/08 ( 2)
- RE: The "Truth" Is Finally Revealed! - thetubeguy1954 19:52:10 05/21/08 ( 1)
- Way to go!!! - LarryB 14:24:09 05/22/08 ( 0)
RE: The "Truth" Is Finally Revealed! - Ugly 13:27:21 05/21/08 ( 19)
- I Don't Believe You Followed My Entire Arguement! - thetubeguy1954 06:31:35 05/22/08 ( 3)
- RE: I Don't Believe You Followed My Entire Arguement! - Ugly 19:01:47 05/22/08 ( 1)
- RE: I Don't Believe You Followed My Entire Arguement! - tomsyl1 21:49:34 05/22/08 ( 0)
- Excellent points! - rick_m 11:11:56 05/22/08 ( 0)
RE: The "Truth" Is Finally Revealed! - jpvs 14:15:57 05/21/08 ( 14)
- Simply untrue - Analog Scott 15:34:17 05/21/08 ( 2)
- Sad, but true - jpvs 20:00:14 05/21/08 ( 1)
- RE: Sad, but true - Analog Scott 12:16:03 05/22/08 ( 0)
RE: The "Truth" Is Finally Revealed! - Jim N. 14:52:38 05/21/08 ( 10)
- RE: The "Truth" Is Finally Revealed! - jpvs 20:06:49 05/21/08 ( 9)
- RE: The "Truth" Is Finally Revealed! - kerr 07:05:07 05/22/08 ( 0)
- If they really were the victims? - E-Stat 06:16:28 05/22/08 ( 7)
- RE: If they really were the victims? - jpvs 11:48:57 05/23/08 ( 5)
- What were you saying again? - E-Stat 19:42:21 05/25/08 ( 2)
- RE: The same. - jpvs 19:48:37 05/26/08 ( 1)
- Let's recall your comments - E-Stat 06:03:52 05/27/08 ( 0)
- RE: If they really were the victims? - Tony Lauck 12:58:18 05/23/08 ( 0)
- Ok - E-Stat 12:36:11 05/23/08 ( 0)
the recent character attacks were simply deleted - Tony Lauck 08:16:46 05/22/08 ( 0)