Propeller Head Plaza: Here are 4 different versions of the same piano recordings to download for blind testing by Ole Lund Christensen

Scientific method and assumptions. - morricab 03:18:30 10/19/07 ( 6)

RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 06:25:07 10/20/07 ( 3)
- RE: That clears up a lot! - morricab 09:31:03 10/23/07 ( 0)
- RE: That clears up a lot! - morricab 08:11:56 10/23/07 ( 1)
  - RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 11:54:46 10/23/07 ( 0)
"You have failed to address a basic question...Is there sufficient resolution to discrminate between..." - truthseekerprime 05:23:39 10/19/07 ( 1)
- RE: "You have failed to address a basic question...Is there sufficient resolution to discrminate between..." - Dan Banquer 07:16:11 10/19/07 ( 0)

Please respond to this old post - Ole Lund Christensen 12:40:31 10/16/07 ( 36)

Your comments are falling on deaf ears - E-Stat 07:24:42 10/17/07 ( 27)
- So your objection has morphed from doubting the conclusions to doubting the timing??? Talk about back-pedaling... /nt - truthseekerprime 14:48:38 10/17/07 ( 1)
  - What part of my question - E-Stat 15:02:32 10/17/07 ( 0)
- I believe the kernel of the writers' purpose is stated by, "the CD standard is perfectly adequate". - clarkjohnsen 10:00:15 10/17/07 ( 24)
  - RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 06:45:50 10/20/07 ( 12)
    - RE: That clears up a lot! - morricab 09:34:37 10/23/07 ( 0)
    - RE: We have already specified exactly what the device was. - rick_m 13:19:05 10/20/07 ( 7)
      - Check the BAS site - the info is there. /nt - truthseekerprime 10:40:20 10/23/07 ( 5)
        
        Thanks. - rick_m 13:53:25 10/23/07 ( 4)
        
        Do you mean, more discerning, because the quality is worse than it needs to be and yet still not audibly different? /nt - truthseekerprime 14:22:24 10/23/07 ( 3)
        
        Yes... - rick_m 16:51:53 10/23/07 ( 2)
        
        Out of curiosity, does the CD spec really say anything about dither? - truthseekerprime 04:44:38 10/24/07 ( 1)
        
        Don't know for sure... - rick_m 20:55:01 10/24/07 ( 0)
      - Rotsa ruck! Doncha know, it sounds the same as *any* CD player. Take it from them. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:25:23 10/21/07 ( 0)
    - "It won't hold up." That's good to know. Hey everybody! We're being told that CD players don't sound different! - clarkjohnsen 11:21:16 10/20/07 ( 2)
      - RE: "It won't hold up." - EBradMeyer 12:00:32 10/23/07 ( 0)
      - "That's what we want to know!" Maybe that's what _you_ want to know, but don't speak for anyone else. /nt - truthseekerprime 11:40:15 10/20/07 ( 0)
  - By god, that's it!! They ignored polarity!!! No WONDER they couldn't hear any difference!!!! - truthseekerprime 14:47:11 10/17/07 ( 9)
    - Also I see now, your sarcasm may also be read as in favor of phase-incoherent loudspeakers. - clarkjohnsen 10:04:48 10/18/07 ( 1)
      - Sarcasm? What sarcasm? /nt - truthseekerprime 10:55:32 10/18/07 ( 0)
    - It was #4 on the list, so I gather you've granted me the first three. - clarkjohnsen 09:54:43 10/18/07 ( 0)
    - I believe you may have it!!!! But *note bene* that Orwellian spectacle! - tlyyra 16:34:26 10/17/07 ( 5)
      - "some semblance (however imperfect!) of hoots-pah in presenting their, ah, "results"... - truthseekerprime 19:57:02 10/17/07 ( 1)
        
        RE: "a rather, err, wide target" - And not even a moving one. n/t - tlyyra 05:18:35 10/18/07 ( 0)
      - Took you FIVE edits to get ... where? - Dave Pogue 18:52:40 10/17/07 ( 2)
        
        RE: "to get ... where?" - tlyyra 05:16:27 10/18/07 ( 1)
        
        RE: "to get ... where?" - Dave Pogue 06:40:57 10/18/07 ( 0)
  - RE: "their hubris" - tlyyra 10:22:19 10/17/07 ( 0)
RE: Please respond to this old post - EBradMeyer 14:49:49 10/16/07 ( 3)
- You are most welcome - Ole Lund Christensen 11:50:01 10/18/07 ( 2)
  - RE: Your kind invitation - EBradMeyer 08:13:30 10/23/07 ( 0)
  - Here are 4 different versions of the same piano recordings to download for blind testing - Ole Lund Christensen 10/18/07 12:37:52 10/18/07 ( 0)
More info on Fairlight - Ole Lund Christensen 13:14:36 10/16/07 ( 3)
- "The album became a bestseller." What one was it? nt - clarkjohnsen 09:23:33 10/17/07 ( 2)
  - RE: "The album became a bestseller." What one was it? nt - Ole Lund Christensen 11:58:31 10/18/07 ( 1)
    - Something then of a, ah,,, record? nt - clarkjohnsen 13:05:39 10/18/07 ( 0)

Three basics of blind tests ... Did this experiment get the basics right? ... Please tell me ( I don't think so) - Richard BassNut Greene 13:59:19 10/15/07 ( 51)

RE: Three basics of blind tests ... Did this experiment get the basics right? ... Please tell me ( I don't - EBradMeyer 14:54:41 10/16/07 ( 1)
- "It is not, however, a requirement for anyone to report differences before the blind portion of the test" = ? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:53:45 10/18/07 ( 0)
you might want to consider learning the actual basics of blind testing. nt - Analog Scott 22:55:30 10/15/07 ( 41)
- I must add that for a post with no words in it, the "nt" in the subject box must means "not thinking" - Richard BassNut Greene 09:32:26 10/16/07 ( 8)
  - "must means?" Sarry yall I dunt speek hillbilly. nt - Analog Scott 14:06:21 10/16/07 ( 5)
    - But you sure spell like one - AJinFLA 15:25:03 10/18/07 ( 2)
      - Your greatest contribution to Prop head. finding typose and spellling errors. - Analog Scott 19:38:25 10/18/07 ( 1)
        
        :-) (nt) - AJinFLA 16:01:05 10/19/07 ( 0)
    - This is your most intelligent post yet! - Richard BassNut Greene 10:20:26 10/18/07 ( 1)
      - Apparently it's the only one you have understood. - Analog Scott 11:58:27 10/18/07 ( 0)
  - Here's one more issue to consider.... - mkuller 10:20:08 10/16/07 ( 1)
    - RE: Here's one more issue to consider.... - EBradMeyer 15:08:40 10/16/07 ( 0)
- I'm sure when YOU learn them, you'll include them in your post rather than giving us a post with not one word - Richard BassNut Greene 09:27:07 10/16/07 ( 6)
  - perhaps you should take your own advice - Analog Scott 14:09:30 10/16/07 ( 4)
    - RE: perhaps you should take your own advice - Pat D 07:15:22 10/17/07 ( 3)
      - well.... - Analog Scott 10:48:51 10/17/07 ( 2)
        
        RE: well.... - Pat D 23:49:27 10/17/07 ( 1)
        
        It seems you missed my point - Analog Scott 12:00:59 10/18/07 ( 0)
  - Richard please don't attempt humor... - bjh 10:03:30 10/16/07 ( 0)
- What a devastating blow. - Ugly 00:10:24 10/16/07 ( 24)
  - AS ran out of hot air after only 12 words in the subject box (a new record for him?) - Richard BassNut Greene 09:35:05 10/16/07 ( 22)
    - "what were you thinking?" - Analog Scott 14:29:53 10/16/07 ( 21)
      - AS took a class and now knows how to cut and paste -- very good AS you get a gold star - Richard BassNut Greene 09:58:11 10/18/07 ( 1)
        
        You can lead a horse to water - Analog Scott 12:03:43 10/18/07 ( 0)
      - RE: "what were you thinking?" - Pat D 23:48:13 10/17/07 ( 18)
        
        So you think the basics of DBTs are different for each? - Analog Scott 12:05:04 10/18/07 ( 17)
        
        You're so vague there's no point in me trying to figure out what you are failing to say. - Pat D 14:31:57 10/18/07 ( 16)
        
        Maybe his knowledge is vast but his writing is vague or perhaps his writing is clear but his knowledge is half-vast - Richard BassNut Greene 14:46:02 10/19/07 ( 0)
        
        Let me help you out, Pat - E-Stat 15:42:51 10/18/07 ( 14)
        
        "The protocols for DBTs are independent of that which is tested. Get it?" LOL - Pat D 12:50:24 10/19/07 ( 10)
        
        Pat you are being aprticularly dense here - Analog Scott 10:04:46 10/20/07 ( 0)
        
        Prove the obvious? - E-Stat 13:10:08 10/19/07 ( 8)
        
        "Although procedures vary from one field of inquiry to another, identifiable features distinguish scientific - Pat D 04:18:14 10/20/07 ( 7)
        
        you are just making a semantic point. - Analog Scott 10:12:49 10/20/07 ( 6)
        
        But you need specific protocols to actually do the tests. - Pat D 10:50:09 10/20/07 ( 5)
        
        Jeez Pat no one said anything about specific protocols. - Analog Scott 11:05:20 10/20/07 ( 4)
        
        Maybe you should go back and re-read your post . . . - Pat D 14:02:00 10/20/07 ( 3)
        
        Pat clearly you just like to argue. This is a waste of time. nt. . . - Analog Scott 00:12:27 10/21/07 ( 2)
        
        Clearly *HE* likes to argue? That really did make me laugh out loud, coming from you (troll #1). /nt - truthseekerprime 06:36:03 10/21/07 ( 1)
        
        Does being a dick come naturally to you - Analog Scott 12:20:33 10/21/07 ( 0)
        
        Thank you - Analog Scott 19:43:33 10/18/07 ( 2)
        
        Post script - E-Stat 13:11:20 10/19/07 ( 0)
        
        He may get it - E-Stat 10:11:09 10/19/07 ( 0)
  - keep em - Analog Scott 03:42:07 10/16/07 ( 0)
Three Blind Tests?? - Todd Krieger 19:16:38 10/15/07 ( 2)
- Me too! - rick_m 20:42:41 10/16/07 ( 0)
- Ohhh ... that's AWFUL (nt) - Dave Pogue 05:38:01 10/16/07 ( 0)
Don't knock astrology! - kerr 15:44:23 10/15/07 ( 0)
Translation... - bjh 14:14:25 10/15/07 ( 2)
- You drinking again? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:24:26 10/16/07 ( 1)
  - You just hit the hoser in the head. - tlyyra 06:06:29 10/17/07 ( 0)

Thanks for going to the effort to detail the test sled - E-Stat 07:32:55 10/14/07 ( 0)

A few observations (and the same conclusion)... - bjh 10:49:18 10/13/07 ( 15)

RE: A few observations (and the same conclusion)... - EBradMeyer 14:56:14 10/16/07 ( 2)
- RE: A few observations (and the same conclusion)... - bjh 15:51:18 10/16/07 ( 1)
  - "I'm not going to pick apart you post in detail, it would mostly involve commenting on your preconceived ideas - truthseekerprime 21:07:38 10/16/07 ( 0)
RE: A few observations (and the same conclusion)... - drmoran@aol.com 14:22:59 10/16/07 ( 8)
- RE: A few observations (and the same conclusion)... - bjh 15:08:24 10/16/07 ( 7)
  - One observation only (the same conclusion) - tlyyra 03:48:40 10/17/07 ( 0)
  - RE: A few observations (and the same conclusion)... - EBradMeyer 15:51:57 10/16/07 ( 5)
    - Yes, stick with me and ... - bjh 17:54:27 10/16/07 ( 4)
      - RE: Yes, stick with me and ... - EBradMeyer 03:23:13 10/17/07 ( 3)
        
        RE: Yes, stick with me and ... - bjh 04:11:06 10/17/07 ( 2)
        
        Yep [nt] - Ted Smith 11:28:00 10/17/07 ( 1)
        
        Regrettably, yes. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:16:10 10/18/07 ( 0)
RE: Your "evaluation" of the study - tlyyra 04:57:12 10/14/07 ( 2)
- who is this "us" you keep referencing? (nt) - robert young 13:59:09 10/14/07 ( 0)
- Déj� Vu? - bjh 07:19:26 10/14/07 ( 0)

That should help put to rest some of the speculations favored by the denialists. n/t - tlyyra 03:56:34 10/13/07 ( 69)

It does indeed put to rest speculations - E-Stat 08:09:00 10/13/07 ( 66)
- What is it that you are trying to say? - tlyyra 03:33:56 10/14/07 ( 9)
  - RE: What is it that you are trying to say? - EBradMeyer 15:13:01 10/16/07 ( 0)
  - Quite simple - E-Stat 07:31:53 10/14/07 ( 3)
    - In other words, you didn't even read the message you went ahead to reply to. - tlyyra 11:00:44 10/15/07 ( 2)
      - I spent a lot more time reading the message - E-Stat 11:37:35 10/15/07 ( 1)
        
        Right, there was this thing about your schooling. - tlyyra 15:19:32 10/15/07 ( 0)
  - RE: What is it that you are trying to say? - John Atkinson 06:49:07 10/14/07 ( 3)
    - RE: What is it that you are trying to say? - tlyyra 11:06:51 10/15/07 ( 2)
      - RE: What is it that you are trying to say? - John Atkinson 04:46:42 10/16/07 ( 1)
        
        RE: What is it that you are trying to say? - tlyyra 05:46:07 10/17/07 ( 0)
- Evidently you didn't go to the trouble of reading it before jumping to your pre-judged conclusion. - truthseekerprime 08:28:52 10/13/07 ( 55)
  - RE: Evidently you didn't go to the trouble of reading it before jumping to your pre-judged conclusion. - Todd Krieger 17:47:14 10/13/07 ( 1)
    - RE: Evidently you didn't go to the trouble of reading it before jumping to your pre-judged conclusion. - truthseekerprime 18:36:13 10/13/07 ( 0)
  - I read it just fine - E-Stat 08:38:28 10/13/07 ( 52)
    - RE: I read it just fine - EBradMeyer 15:24:51 10/16/07 ( 1)
      - Feel free to ignore my surprise - E-Stat 15:40:09 10/16/07 ( 0)
    - I don't understand your attitude. - truthseekerprime 09:14:20 10/13/07 ( 49)
      - Threatening? - E-Stat 09:52:04 10/13/07 ( 48)
        
        Has anybody ever denied that? - truthseekerprime 11:02:02 10/13/07 ( 47)
        
        RE: Has anybody ever denied that? - Todd Krieger 00:01:10 10/14/07 ( 14)
        
        "You will only hear "16-bit quantization noise" if the playback has no digital filtering....." Huh?? /nt - truthseekerprime 04:57:49 10/14/07 ( 13)
        
        How Digital Filters Reduce Quantization Noise....... - Todd Krieger 20:29:14 10/14/07 ( 0)
        
        Dither anyone? [nt] - Ted Smith 09:38:27 10/14/07 ( 11)
        
        RE: Dither anyone? [nt] - Todd Krieger 00:03:43 10/15/07 ( 1)
        
        RE: Dither anyone? [nt] - EBradMeyer 15:30:21 10/16/07 ( 0)
        
        Removing the noise floor is precisely the *opposite* of what dither does. - truthseekerprime 09:45:49 10/14/07 ( 8)
        
        RE: Removing the noise floor is precisely the *opposite* of what dither does. - Ted Smith 09:58:28 10/14/07 ( 7)
        
        "it can allow you to hear a noise floor below the 16 bit quantization noise" - no! - truthseekerprime 10:27:35 10/14/07 ( 6)
        
        Yes, "it can allow you to hear a noise floor below the 16 bit quantization noise"! - rick_m 17:07:29 10/14/07 ( 0)
        
        You can hear signals below the noise floor. - Ted Smith 10:37:11 10/14/07 ( 4)
        
        I agree with that, but it's not pertinent. In any case I take it you agree with my points. /nt - truthseekerprime 11:38:30 10/14/07 ( 3)
        
        Not in so far as I don't understand your point - Ted Smith 12:42:54 10/14/07 ( 2)
        
        So you don't understand why M&M were able to DBX that particular hi-res recording vs. their 16 bit ADA? /nt - truthseekerprime 13:00:09 10/14/07 ( 1)
        
        If I choose not to respond to all of the bait here, that doesn't mean I agree or disagree with it. [nt] - Ted Smith 13:04:31 10/14/07 ( 0)
        
        Backpeddling noted -nt - E-Stat 12:29:17 10/13/07 ( 2)
        
        Read your own posts - you sound bitter, desperate even. Calm down! /nt - truthseekerprime 13:12:19 10/13/07 ( 1)
        
        Thoroughly amused is the appropriate term :) -nt - E-Stat 16:42:05 10/13/07 ( 0)
        
        RE: Has anybody ever denied that? - Ted Smith 11:31:56 10/13/07 ( 28)
        
        Yes, you're correct... - truthseekerprime 13:17:08 10/13/07 ( 27)
        
        RE: Yes, you're correct... - Ted Smith 14:35:43 10/13/07 ( 26)
        
        RE: Yes, you're correct... - truthseekerprime 15:00:04 10/13/07 ( 25)
        
        Healthy attitude - kerr 18:02:05 10/14/07 ( 0)
        
        "Personally I don't have a strong opinion on this ..." - Dave Pogue 07:16:14 10/14/07 ( 5)
        
        You're welcome :-). - truthseekerprime 08:57:40 10/14/07 ( 4)
        
        RE: You're welcome :-). - Dave Pogue 09:07:22 10/14/07 ( 3)
        
        RE: You're welcome :-). - truthseekerprime 09:35:39 10/14/07 ( 2)
        
        RE: You're welcome :-). - Dave Pogue 09:57:06 10/14/07 ( 1)
        
        Whatever you say, I guess. /nt - truthseekerprime 11:39:22 10/14/07 ( 0)
        
        RE: Yes, you're correct... - Ted Smith 16:03:57 10/13/07 ( 17)
        
        RE: "I don't like [Meyer & Moran's] attitude in the paper or here..." - tlyyra 03:46:39 10/14/07 ( 16)
        
        RE: "I don't like [Meyer & Moran's] attitude in the paper or here..." - Ted Smith 09:35:15 10/14/07 ( 1)
        
        RE: "I don't like [Meyer & Moran's] attitude in the paper or here..." - tlyyra 14:27:37 10/15/07 ( 0)
        
        Enjoying slumming? - rick_m 09:29:32 10/14/07 ( 13)
        
        RE: "...folks are a lot more convinced by what they experience than by what they read." - geoffkait 11:46:20 10/14/07 ( 12)
        
        RE: "...folks are a lot more convinced by what they experience than by what they read." - EBradMeyer 15:41:30 10/16/07 ( 2)
        
        RE: "I mean, when someone puts a 2-ounce puck of exotic wood on the front corner of a 250-pound speaker..." - geoffkait 09:37:30 10/17/07 ( 1)
        
        Assumptions, assumptions... nt - clarkjohnsen 10:04:01 10/17/07 ( 0)
        
        Good point Geoff! - rick_m 14:06:06 10/14/07 ( 8)
        
        RE: "Sure, we can all get caught up in the moment." - geoffkait 03:39:38 10/15/07 ( 7)
        
        The moment passes... - rick_m 07:41:45 10/15/07 ( 6)
        
        RE: "I doubt that reviewers are all that easily "psyched out."" - geoffkait 08:14:53 10/15/07 ( 5)
        
        RE: "I doubt that reviewers are all that easily "psyched out."" - May Belt 03:56:05 10/17/07 ( 4)
        
        Great research, May! And well do I remember JA's Baxendall editorial. "I left the AES meeting saddened..." nt - clarkjohnsen 10:09:08 10/17/07 ( 3)
        
        RE: Great research, May! And well do I remember JA's Baxendall editorial. "I left the AES meeting saddened..." - May Belt 11:23:13 10/17/07 ( 2)
        
        In that case, great recollection! nt - clarkjohnsen 11:29:43 10/17/07 ( 1)
        
        Great exchange, guys! - tlyyra 15:38:08 10/17/07 ( 0)
No. That is not a treatment or cure for such disorders (nt) - AJinFLA 04:47:37 10/13/07 ( 1)
- Right. I forgot the distinction between fact-based audio and faith-based audio. n/t - tlyyra 04:41:49 10/14/07 ( 0)

Thanks Mr. Meyer. (nt) - Pat D 17:26:53 10/12/07 ( 0)