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Although I can only listen sparingly lately, a few weeks ago, I had a very sad experienced(feeling actually!) which I think will affect me in the very near future.IMO a maggie will never reach the dynamics of a cone speaker. It's strenght is the midrange no doubt. Although bass sounds very truthful and is adequate, compared to a decent cone speaker (bass only!!), they are not quite "endowed" if you know what I mean?
So, when my brother completed his Orion (Linkwitz Lab), I was very eager to hear what 4x10" Peerless subwoofer in dipole config bass sounds like. To cut to the chase, I think what I heard was the best speaker I happen to cross-path with lately. Not only the bass but everything across the board. But, but, it has a box and box are no good you might say.........well this speaker has the purity of the Maggies midrange, with the bass kick of a box speaker(actually better and my preference because its a dipolar I think), and boxless!!!!
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Above is the actual photo of my brothers Orion which lately, I became a frequent customer. It is open baffle(boxless), with 2 each Peerless 10" sub driver in push pull, Seas mids and tweeter, ACTIVE Xover (before the amp) and 4 way driven.
The real beauty is, my bro uses a 12 CH ATI amp (very affordable!!!), Sound king speaker cables (cheap!), and RadioShack interconnects. I really hate to admit it but my 1.6(stock) with Mye stands, ICE H2O Signature amp(sold it a few weeks ago for lack of use) and/or Threshold Stasis S500, Purist Audio interconnects, Acoustic Zen Speaker cables, Supratek Preamp(Tungsol VT231, Mullard 5AR4 Metal base, RCA Black Plate 6l6GC, Telefunken ECC88, Mullard M8080, etc.) is no where near (ouch!) the sound of these Orions. I brought my preamp, and other equipment(CD player with Telefunken 12AX7) over and tried it with them to the Orion and come up with the same result: this speaker is better in all accounts than my 1.6. Come to think of it, I thought my set up sound so much better already compared to a few months ago.
For the record, my brother's equip are Manley Shrimp pre, Teres 160 with OL Illustrious, Shelter 501, K&K Phono pre, Tribute Step-Up tranny, and Ah! Njoe Tjoeb CD player.
Before I get flamed, my intention in posting this is to inform and not to "thrash" the maggies. I own the 1.6QR for Godsake!! Besides, I already spent so much in electronics and accessories trying to make my 1.6 better. I believe that the Orion is a world class speaker even with the "budget" amp and cables and will easily compete with Magnepans, irregardless of model.
Oh well, maybe I should start building one!
Fire away!!!!!
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Topic - HERESY!!! - amandarae 22:11:44 10/25/05 ( 81)
- Re: HERESY!!! - watts 21:08:41 10/27/05 ( 1)
- Not Yet!!! - amandarae 21:36:54 10/27/05 ( 0)
Re: HERESY!!! - Stergioszx 00:50:23 10/27/05 ( 1)
- Re: HERESY!!! - mac 07:06:13 10/27/05 ( 0)
Re: HERESY!!! - MIchael Samra 18:20:59 10/26/05 ( 1)
- Point Taken! - amandarae 21:20:10 10/26/05 ( 0)
Sell the Maggies and live with the new ones. (NT) - Alan G. 13:41:42 10/26/05 ( 0)
Better than Maggies…..PUH-LEASE! - saltyflies 12:16:15 10/26/05 ( 2)
- Re: Better than Maggies…..PUH-LEASE! - amandarae 21:27:40 10/26/05 ( 1)
- Re: Better than Maggies…..PUH-LEASE! - saltyflies 14:02:59 10/27/05 ( 0)
Re: HERESY!!! - Doc Jr 8156 11:02:27 10/26/05 ( 4)
- Re: HERESY!!! - Rod H. 12:35:26 10/26/05 ( 1)
- Re: HERESY!!! - Doc Jr 8156 13:10:20 10/26/05 ( 0)
Re: HERESY!!! - saltyflies 12:31:37 10/26/05 ( 1)
- Re: HERESY!!! - Doc Jr 8156 19:26:30 10/26/05 ( 0)
For 7K I would hope they blew the 1.6 away....................nt - photoguy 08:12:10 10/26/05 ( 4)
- Re: For 7K I would hope they blew the 1.6 away....................nt - amandarae 11:11:04 10/26/05 ( 0)
More like $2k plus amps. (nt) - mac 08:27:39 10/26/05 ( 2)
- I'm confused........................ - photoguy 08:32:42 10/26/05 ( 1)
- Duh............didn't see the inclued electronics...........nt - photoguy 08:34:49 10/26/05 ( 0)
Re: HERESY!!! - Rod H. 07:51:15 10/26/05 ( 0)
The Church Replies....... - Peter Gunn 06:49:43 10/26/05 ( 55)
- Peter - Please upgrade the SMGa's soon - riceowl68 13:50:03 10/26/05 ( 1)
- LOL - Peter Gunn 17:51:07 10/26/05 ( 0)
And the Choir answers...... - amandarae 11:23:03 10/26/05 ( 12)
- Pass the collection plate first! - Peter Gunn 12:26:35 10/26/05 ( 10)
- been there, done that. - mac 13:02:00 10/26/05 ( 9)
- Lets settle this - Peter Gunn 13:31:55 10/26/05 ( 8)
- the way I see it is there isn't anything to settle. - mac 14:09:40 10/26/05 ( 7)
- Re: the way I see it is there isn't anything to settle. - Mr_bill2 17:53:19 10/26/05 ( 6)
- Re: the way I see it is there isn't anything to settle. - mac 17:59:36 10/26/05 ( 5)
- Mac, what have you replaced the Orions with? - Carl G 08:10:16 10/27/05 ( 4)
- Orions! - mac 09:35:42 10/27/05 ( 3)
- Re: Orions! - Carl G 10:09:40 10/28/05 ( 2)
- Re: Orions! - mac 11:38:45 10/28/05 ( 1)
- Subwoofer for the Orion - Carl G 09:52:09 10/29/05 ( 0)
Re: Addendum - amandarae 11:45:23 10/26/05 ( 0)
I concur..... - Drew 07:19:48 10/26/05 ( 2)
- Re: I concur..... - Peter Gunn 07:48:36 10/26/05 ( 1)
- Re: I concur..... - Drew 09:22:03 10/26/05 ( 0)
The church is on sabbatical. - mac 07:06:11 10/26/05 ( 36)
- The courts rule one way...... - Peter Gunn 07:36:36 10/26/05 ( 35)
- Audio Artistry - amt 10:48:43 10/26/05 ( 0)
- Hello P Gunn. - wmitty 09:53:06 10/26/05 ( 2)
Re: The courts rule one way...... - mac 08:23:36 10/26/05 ( 30)
- Re: The courts rule one way...... - Rod H. 08:41:40 10/27/05 ( 2)
- Ariel Atom - mac 09:56:20 10/27/05 ( 1)
- Re: Ariel Atom - Rod H. 13:51:36 10/27/05 ( 0)
Why me? - Peter Gunn 13:07:53 10/26/05 ( 25)
- Re: Why me? - mac 13:34:46 10/26/05 ( 23)
- Pardon me... - delaney@rea-alp.com 07:30:07 10/27/05 ( 8)
- Re: Pardon me... - mac 08:02:43 10/27/05 ( 7)
- Re: Pardon me... - delaney@rea-alp.com 08:15:45 10/27/05 ( 6)
- Re: Pardon me... - mac 09:46:05 10/27/05 ( 5)
- Cool car but - delaney@rea-alp.com 10:53:37 10/27/05 ( 4)
- Re: Cool car but - Rod H. 14:08:00 10/27/05 ( 1)
- Praticality was my point - delaney@rea-alp.com 06:28:09 10/28/05 ( 0)
- way off topic... - mac 11:25:52 10/27/05 ( 1)
- Definition of toy, - delaney@rea-alp.com 11:53:27 10/27/05 ( 0)
Peace brother - Peter Gunn 18:07:45 10/26/05 ( 13)
- Peter... - delaney@rea-alp.com 07:33:27 10/27/05 ( 12)
- LOL - Peter Gunn 08:57:00 10/27/05 ( 11)
- Re: LOL - delaney@rea-alp.com 11:03:14 10/27/05 ( 10)
- WOW - Peter Gunn 12:30:43 10/27/05 ( 9)
- The rear tail lights are ugly - delaney@rea-alp.com 07:00:55 10/28/05 ( 7)
- Re: The rear tail lights are ugly - Peter Gunn 12:03:49 10/28/05 ( 6)
- This Pontiac is a jumbled mix of GM parts... - delaney@rea-alp.com 06:03:40 10/31/05 ( 0)
- Re: The rear tail lights are ugly - Rod H. 13:49:33 10/28/05 ( 4)
- Go drive one...then... - delaney@rea-alp.com 06:05:47 10/31/05 ( 1)
- Re: Go drive one...then... - Rod H. 17:28:39 10/31/05 ( 0)
- Re: The rear tail lights are ugly - Travis 19:44:33 10/28/05 ( 1)
- Weight vs HP - delaney@rea-alp.com 06:11:57 10/31/05 ( 0)
- Re: WOW - Rod H. 14:20:52 10/27/05 ( 0)
Re: Why me? - Doc Jr 8156 13:22:13 10/26/05 ( 0)
Re: The courts rule one way...... - Rod H. 09:40:52 10/26/05 ( 0)
Re: HERESY!!! - CSF 00:07:19 10/26/05 ( 1)
- to clarify, the Orion is not a box speaker. - mac 19:35:38 10/26/05 ( 0)
Re: send me the info! - digda_beat 23:25:28 10/25/05 ( 1)
- Re: send me the info! - amandarae 23:59:46 10/25/05 ( 0)