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In Reply to: What are you somking? posted by Soundmind on October 11, 2005 at 12:55:18:
The Threshold and Athena amplifiers were also very comparable in performance. These are all solid state amplifiers presumably using considerable negative feedback and all performing excellently under almost any conceivable real world condition.Unlike your "famous" designers Peterson and Klaus, one of whom simply a guy who bought some obsolete inventory (!), Nelson Pass has been a prodigious designer of many a truly excellent amplifier for decades. He is the main behind the Threshold and Pass Labs products.
Your affection for making utterly wild ass guesses with no attempt whatsoever to locate the existence of supporting facts makes you such an easy target when you attempt your superiority complex. Threshold amps use ZERO overall feedback. Gross use of negative feedback died when the Berlin Wall fell. That's why my 1981 Threshold Stasis 3 has a DF of 60 and the current Pass Labs XA series, a DF of 30. Not 20,000 like your "I'm all about specifications" Crown amps. LOL!
Consequently, I hereby sentence you to life with a Crown IC-150 and DC-300 driving your AR-9s (cum tweeters of course) through zip cord. You will be given no mercy. You shall forever be banished to the constant torture of colossal amounts of tiresome (unmeasured) distortion. May the gods have pity on you.
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Topic - Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - ka7niq 21:09:42 10/9/05 ( 203)
- Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - Ozzie 07:55:50 10/13/05 ( 0)
Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - middleground 05:19:49 10/11/05 ( 1)
- Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - Todd Krieger 09:55:33 10/12/05 ( 0)
Tact and Z-sys - Rodney Gold 01:36:38 10/11/05 ( 0)
I use "tone controls" with my Quad 57's - longtimequadowner 20:17:20 10/10/05 ( 1)
- Re: I use "tone controls" with my Quad 57's - morricab 07:05:26 10/13/05 ( 0)
At this stage of the game, I'd go with a digital room correction device, like the Tact. No loss, just gain. nt - gme109 18:38:01 10/10/05 ( 0)
Tone Controls on most audio components are useless. - Tony Montana 15:33:43 10/10/05 ( 0)
Treble balance. - Al Sekela 14:41:22 10/10/05 ( 12)
- Todays audiophiles are left with no remedies - Soundmind 15:33:27 10/11/05 ( 5)
- Re: Todays audiophiles are left with no remedies - Ozzie 08:00:48 10/13/05 ( 0)
- What are you supposed to do... - mkuller 10:30:27 10/12/05 ( 0)
Find a different hobby, - Al Sekela 09:22:07 10/12/05 ( 0)
Re: Todays audiophiles are left with no remedies - morricab 23:58:37 10/11/05 ( 1)
- Re: Todays audiophiles are left with no remedies - Soundmind 04:47:40 10/12/05 ( 0)
Re: Treble balance. - morricab 01:14:26 10/11/05 ( 3)
- Julian imbalance. - Ozzie 08:12:23 10/13/05 ( 2)
- Re: Julian imbalance. - morricab 02:44:29 10/14/05 ( 1)
- Re: Julian imbalance. - Ozzie 12:09:39 10/14/05 ( 0)
Re: Treble balance. - hahax@rcn.com 20:05:06 10/10/05 ( 0)
Re: Treble balance. - ka7niq 15:31:43 10/10/05 ( 0)
The only type of 'tone controls'... - mkuller 09:05:33 10/10/05 ( 24)
- Re: The only type of 'tone controls'... - Ozzie 08:14:40 10/13/05 ( 0)
Re: The only type of 'tone controls'... - Inmate51 11:26:05 10/11/05 ( 0)
Re: The only type of 'tone controls'... - ka7niq 10:15:15 10/10/05 ( 21)
- Re: The only type of 'tone controls'... - Ozzie 08:15:36 10/13/05 ( 0)
So then - E-Stat 16:03:28 10/10/05 ( 7)
- Re: So then - morricab 01:18:56 10/11/05 ( 6)
- I'm with you - E-Stat 16:16:13 10/11/05 ( 5)
- Re: I'm with you - morricab 00:01:20 10/12/05 ( 4)
- Re: I'm with you - Ozzie 08:16:45 10/13/05 ( 1)
- Re: I'm with you - morricab 08:26:31 10/13/05 ( 0)
- One of my favorites from the early 60s is... - E-Stat 19:58:25 10/12/05 ( 1)
- Re: One of my favorites from the early 60s is... - Ozzie 08:20:06 10/13/05 ( 0)
You have a point... - mkuller 11:31:37 10/10/05 ( 11)
- Re: You have a point... - Ozzie 08:20:45 10/13/05 ( 0)
Re: You have a point... - Inmate51 16:02:14 10/11/05 ( 0)
"I guess if the recording is that bad, I just don't listen to it." - markrohr 10:25:33 10/11/05 ( 3)
- Re: "I guess if the recording is that bad, I just don't listen to it." - Ozzie 08:22:37 10/13/05 ( 0)
Don't get me wrong... - mkuller 13:36:56 10/11/05 ( 1)
- Guess I like more music that sounds crappy! ;-) nt - markrohr 14:08:02 10/12/05 ( 0)
Re: You have a point... - ka7niq 12:16:06 10/10/05 ( 4)
- Confession... - mkuller 13:03:34 10/10/05 ( 3)
- Re: Confession... - Ozzie 08:24:26 10/13/05 ( 0)
- Re: Confession... - morricab 01:20:23 10/11/05 ( 0)
Re: Confession... - ka7niq 13:33:34 10/10/05 ( 0)
Even in those days no tone control could make the little Quad amp sound like the ARC 76. - Norm 08:28:03 10/10/05 ( 8)
- Re: Even in those days no tone control could make the little Quad amp sound like the ARC 76. - john curl 09:42:58 10/11/05 ( 0)
" would rather go with the flatest frequency response I can get" - FTF 08:40:39 10/10/05 ( 6)
- I go with an excellent sounding amp, the Reimyo, and - Norm 13:58:33 10/10/05 ( 5)
- Re: I go with an excellent sounding amp, the Reimyo, and - FTF 15:38:47 10/10/05 ( 4)
- And maybe not. nt - Norm 17:26:08 10/10/05 ( 3)
- Re: And maybe not. nt - FTF 20:58:23 10/10/05 ( 2)
- Are you recommending them? I don't have any. nt - Norm 05:50:53 10/11/05 ( 1)
- Oh Yeah, they ROCK! (nt) - FTF 15:46:16 10/11/05 ( 0)
Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - john curl 08:10:20 10/10/05 ( 29)
- Geez I haven't heard the term Baxandall tossed around... - EdAInWestOC 08:56:39 10/10/05 ( 0)
Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - ka7niq 08:39:31 10/10/05 ( 25)
- Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - Soundmind 11:16:37 10/10/05 ( 14)
- You do so love your audiophile rants ! - E-Stat 17:25:14 10/10/05 ( 10)
- Re: You do so love your audiophile rants ! - Soundmind 18:28:49 10/10/05 ( 9)
- Listen to the systems I'm referring to - E-Stat 18:50:33 10/10/05 ( 8)
- Re: Listen to the systems I'm referring to - Soundmind 19:16:42 10/10/05 ( 7)
- You really can't be serious this time, right? - E-Stat 19:36:45 10/10/05 ( 6)
- Re: You really can't be serious this time, right? - Soundmind 05:54:15 10/11/05 ( 5)
- As I said earlier, the LS is much faster - E-Stat 16:10:23 10/11/05 ( 0)
- The Chrysler 300C SRT-8 HEMI, is supposedly a top choice sport sedan, but will run you $40K+ or so. - cfb 10:24:40 10/11/05 ( 3)
- Re: The Chrysler 300C SRT-8 HEMI, is supposedly a top choice sport sedan, but will run you $40K+ or so. - Soundmind 11:45:02 10/11/05 ( 2)
- Sounds like you guys should be driving... - Wellfed 15:32:55 10/11/05 ( 1)
- The only 4 banger I really thought I’d like, would be the Lotus Turbo Esprit ;-) NT - cfb 20:03:50 10/11/05 ( 0)
Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - FTF 11:38:03 10/10/05 ( 2)
- Scares me too nt - Soundmind 12:06:20 10/10/05 ( 1)
- Re: Scares me too nt - FTF 12:25:23 10/10/05 ( 0)
Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - john curl 09:13:40 10/10/05 ( 9)
- Does Behringer do it in Digital domain ? - ka7niq 10:09:15 10/10/05 ( 7)
- Re: Does Behringer do it in Digital domain ? - Ozzie 08:35:32 10/13/05 ( 0)
- Re: Does Behringer do it in Digital domain ? - andy_c 19:13:44 10/10/05 ( 2)
- Re: Does Behringer do it in Digital domain ? - morricab 01:27:53 10/11/05 ( 1)
- Re: Does Behringer do it in Digital domain ? - andy_c 17:33:29 10/11/05 ( 0)
Re: Does Behringer do it in Digital domain ? - john curl 10:17:16 10/10/05 ( 1)
- Re: Does Behringer do it in Digital domain ? - Ozzie 08:39:49 10/13/05 ( 0)
Re: Does Behringer do it in Digital domain ? - john curl 10:15:35 10/10/05 ( 0)
PEQ 305 - FTF 09:19:34 10/10/05 ( 0)
Well put sir (nt) - profbrookes 08:18:35 10/10/05 ( 0)
Oh so you take the blame! ; ) - FTF 08:12:23 10/10/05 ( 0)
Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - profbrookes 07:59:17 10/10/05 ( 11)
- Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - FTF 08:07:49 10/10/05 ( 10)
- Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - profbrookes 08:14:28 10/10/05 ( 9)
- Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - FTF 08:18:33 10/10/05 ( 8)
- Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - profbrookes 08:25:32 10/10/05 ( 7)
- Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - FTF 08:36:56 10/10/05 ( 6)
- Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - profbrookes 08:47:50 10/10/05 ( 5)
- Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - FTF 08:53:28 10/10/05 ( 4)
- Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - ahendler 11:11:38 10/10/05 ( 0)
- Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - profbrookes 09:04:17 10/10/05 ( 2)
- Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - FTF 09:09:52 10/10/05 ( 1)
- Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - Ozzie 08:17:22 10/17/05 ( 0)
Sure, I sometimes use tone controls. - Pat D 06:35:39 10/10/05 ( 2)
- I thought "Tilt" was a pinball machine control...(nt) - mkuller 14:48:48 10/10/05 ( 1)
- I bow to your expertise on that. I wouldn't know. (nt) - Pat D 15:54:50 10/10/05 ( 0)
Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - morricab 04:03:17 10/10/05 ( 15)
- Please! - Don T 12:42:24 10/10/05 ( 13)
- Re: Please! - morricab 01:47:53 10/11/05 ( 6)
- Re: Please! - Don T 12:29:14 10/12/05 ( 0)
- What's wrong with you? - Don T 06:21:04 10/11/05 ( 4)
- Re: What's wrong with you? - morricab 07:29:07 10/11/05 ( 3)
- Re: What's wrong with you? - Don T 13:52:34 10/11/05 ( 2)
- Re: What's wrong with you? - morricab 00:26:35 10/12/05 ( 1)
- ok - Don T 08:05:16 10/12/05 ( 0)
Now wait just a minute... - mkuller 14:52:08 10/10/05 ( 5)
- That's not what he said - Don T 21:16:56 10/10/05 ( 4)
- Ok, let's hear your explanation... - mkuller 10:03:41 10/11/05 ( 1)
- Re: Ok, let's hear your explanation... - Don T 22:02:22 10/11/05 ( 0)
- Geez! - Don T 14:03:05 10/11/05 ( 0)
Re: That's not what he said - morricab 01:34:33 10/11/05 ( 1)
- Again that's not what you said. - Don T 06:04:31 10/11/05 ( 0)
Good points and very valid, BUT... - Sean 07:06:35 10/10/05 ( 0)
A different perspective... - ad010685 23:19:45 10/9/05 ( 0)
Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - RGA 23:11:35 10/9/05 ( 49)
- If you have perfect speakers and a perfect room and - FTF 05:52:37 10/10/05 ( 2)
- Actually, you shouldn't have to correct for the Fletcher-Munsen curve..... - JimL 09:05:35 10/10/05 ( 1)
- All recordings have an optimum playback level - FTF 09:11:45 10/10/05 ( 0)
Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - Soundmind 04:57:44 10/10/05 ( 45)
- Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - ahendler 05:29:33 10/10/05 ( 44)
- Re: Julian Hirsch And Sonic Differences Between Amplifiers - Soundmind 05:41:18 10/10/05 ( 43)
- I can sincerely say that the day I introduced a digital EQ.... - ad010685 06:56:45 10/10/05 ( 0)
- "And if for some reason the final result isn't flat but too shrill ..." What? - bjh 06:16:00 10/10/05 ( 41)
- Re: "And if for some reason the final result isn't flat but too shrill ..." What? - Soundmind 07:03:48 10/10/05 ( 40)
- You sound more like a - bjh 07:27:14 10/10/05 ( 39)
- Re: You sound more like a - Soundmind 08:04:53 10/10/05 ( 38)
- This is a non-argument. Both are saying many things affect the sound we hear - Norm 08:23:15 10/10/05 ( 1)
- Re: This is a non-argument. Both are saying many things affect the sound we hear - Soundmind 10:56:35 10/10/05 ( 0)
- Oh the "I'm the big bad engineer response", oh my, my ... - bjh 08:22:03 10/10/05 ( 35)
- Re: Oh the "I'm the big bad engineer response", oh my, my ... - morricab 12:50:37 10/10/05 ( 4)
- I wouldn't use that paper.. - jneutron 13:21:14 10/10/05 ( 3)
- Re: I wouldn't use that paper.. - morricab 01:50:47 10/11/05 ( 1)
- Look at the lower post for my answer..nt - jneutron 06:24:54 10/11/05 ( 0)
- Re: I wouldn't use that paper.. - morricab 01:49:46 10/11/05 ( 0)
- Re: Oh the "I'm the big bad engineer response", oh my, my ... - Soundmind 10:50:31 10/10/05 ( 29)
- Thanks for that, thus ... - bjh 12:01:02 10/10/05 ( 28)
- Soundmind is right. - Pat D 08:32:34 10/12/05 ( 2)
- Sure phono leads CAN be a factor. E.g. ... - bjh 12:26:41 10/12/05 ( 1)
- Reading comprehension - Pat D 05:57:14 10/13/05 ( 0)
- There is the electrical engineer's view that a cable is an LCR network, and then there are audiphile fantasies - Soundmind 12:09:17 10/10/05 ( 24)
- Re: There is the electrical engineer's view that a cable is an LCR network, and then there are audiphile fantasies - morricab 12:52:51 10/10/05 ( 21)
- Re: There is the electrical engineer's view that a cable is an LCR network, and then there are audiphile fantasies - jneutron 13:19:35 10/10/05 ( 20)
- Re: There is the electrical engineer's view that a cable is an LCR network, and then there are audiphile fantasies - morricab 04:55:32 10/11/05 ( 19)
- Hmmm.. - jneutron 06:23:28 10/11/05 ( 18)
- Re: Hmmm.. - morricab 07:47:12 10/11/05 ( 1)
- Re: Hmmm.. - jneutron 08:37:02 10/11/05 ( 0)
- The arguement seems irrelavent - Soundmind 07:31:41 10/11/05 ( 15)
- Your argument is nothing ... - bjh 09:59:26 10/11/05 ( 7)
- You sound like you are in group II, the suckers who have wasted their money and cat admit it even to themselves - Soundmind 11:54:25 10/11/05 ( 6)
- BTW, re: DBT ... - bjh 12:51:13 10/11/05 ( 2)
- Re: BTW, re: DBT ... - Soundmind 13:03:21 10/11/05 ( 1)
- Try to stay on topic! - bjh 13:28:47 10/11/05 ( 0)
- Sad! ... - bjh 12:18:31 10/11/05 ( 2)
- Re: Sad! ... - Soundmind 13:15:55 10/11/05 ( 1)
- Look I'm not going - bjh 13:35:41 10/11/05 ( 0)
- perhaps.. - jneutron 08:48:29 10/11/05 ( 6)
- Re: perhaps.. - Soundmind 12:05:16 10/11/05 ( 5)
- wow.. - jneutron 13:10:21 10/11/05 ( 4)
- I am astonished at the waste of time and energy on "imagaing" when sound systems do everything else so badly - Soundmind 14:19:17 10/11/05 ( 3)
- Re: I am astonished at the waste of time and energy on "imagaing" when sound systems do everything else so badly - kerr 10:48:11 10/12/05 ( 0)
- hmm.. - jneutron 06:36:07 10/12/05 ( 1)
- If you wish to continue, start a new post..this right side is killin me.nt - jneutron 09:55:28 10/12/05 ( 0)
- Yeh! and to judge this thread there are sloppy engineers and good ones. A good one ... - bjh 12:15:48 10/10/05 ( 1)
- Re: Yeh! and to judge this thread there are sloppy engineers and good ones. A good one ... - Soundmind 12:33:09 10/10/05 ( 0)
If tone controls could be used to 'equalize' the sound of - bjh 22:04:30 10/9/05 ( 28)
- I disagree - Soundmind 07:08:22 10/10/05 ( 27)
- Re: I disagree - morricab 13:12:37 10/10/05 ( 25)
- Re: I disagree - Soundmind 15:54:53 10/10/05 ( 24)
- BTW morricab - Soundmind 16:02:09 10/10/05 ( 23)
- Re: BTW morricab - morricab 02:03:36 10/11/05 ( 22)
- Where did you get your electrical engineering degree? - Soundmind 05:46:46 10/11/05 ( 21)
- Re: Where did you get your electrical engineering degree? - Inmate51 16:21:03 10/11/05 ( 1)
- Re: Where did you get your electrical engineering degree? - Soundmind 17:48:04 10/11/05 ( 0)
- Re: Where did you get your electrical engineering degree? - morricab 09:14:11 10/11/05 ( 18)
- Re: Where did you get your electrical engineering degree? - Pat D 05:39:29 10/13/05 ( 0)
- What are you somking? - Soundmind 12:55:18 10/11/05 ( 16)
- Re: What are you somking? - morricab 02:02:28 10/12/05 ( 4)
- Re: What are you somking? - Soundmind 04:58:52 10/12/05 ( 3)
- Re: What are you somking? - morricab 06:53:12 10/12/05 ( 2)
- Re: What are you somking? - Soundmind 07:15:10 10/12/05 ( 1)
- Re: What are you somking? - morricab 08:45:30 10/12/05 ( 0)
- I'm sorry, but this is hilarious - E-Stat 10/11/05 19:31:51 10/11/05 ( 6)
- Re: I'm sorry, but this is hilarious - Soundmind 05:28:16 10/12/05 ( 1)
- Surprisinging tame response for you - good! - E-Stat 15:10:36 10/12/05 ( 0)
- Re: I'm sorry, but this is hilarious - Soundmind 20:26:34 10/11/05 ( 3)
- Re: I'm sorry, but this is hilarious - morricab 00:56:56 10/12/05 ( 2)
- Re: I'm sorry, but this is hilarious - Soundmind 05:03:06 10/12/05 ( 1)
- Re: I'm sorry, but this is hilarious - morricab 07:32:07 10/12/05 ( 0)
- ".... I would buy on specifications alone if the price were right and I needed one." ... - bjh 13:05:54 10/11/05 ( 3)
- Re: ".... I would buy on specifications alone if the price were right and I needed one." ... - Soundmind 14:34:49 10/11/05 ( 2)
- Re: ".... I would buy on specifications alone if the price were right and I needed one." ... - morricab 01:00:27 10/12/05 ( 0)
- LOL! Even well designed SS amplifers - bjh 18:10:24 10/11/05 ( 0)
Look if I understand properly, - bjh 07:45:30 10/10/05 ( 0)
Re: Julian Hirsch was correct - FTF 21:51:21 10/9/05 ( 5)
- Re: Julian Hirsch was correct - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:02:20 10/10/05 ( 4)
- IRONY - FTF 09:16:32 10/10/05 ( 3)
- Eh? You really don't understand irony do you? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:32:35 10/11/05 ( 2)
- I learn quick - FTF 15:47:09 10/11/05 ( 1)
- Yep, quick as a snail towing caravan with a flat tyre. [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:29:54 10/12/05 ( 0)
I'd admit to it... - Wellfed 21:50:07 10/9/05 ( 0)
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