A co-worker of my wife's casually mentioned that he was lusting after some silly Bose speaker set to accompany the very nice 43" Toshiba HDTV he'd recently purchased. Since one of the mottos of this forum is, "Friends Don't Let Friends Buy Bose," I authored the following document. May it become part of the anti-Bose canon, and corrections/suggestions/feedback welcome.THE CASE AGAINST BOSE
Or, “Why Marketing Genius Does NOT Equal Good Soundâ€Bose FAQ:
http://home.earthlink.net/~busenitz/bs.htmlMy main distaste for Bose is two-fold:
1) They are insanely overpriced given the quality of materials (drivers, binding posts, cabinets, etc.) used in their construction. A five-speaker set such as AM-10 that retails for a grand or more literally has about a hundred bucks of parts. Now, I know speaker companies need to make money to stay in business, but a ratio of retail price to build costs of 4 to 1 is more in keeping with the industry standard.
2) The speaker sets for which I have seen actual measurements (Bose won’t publish them, for good reason) show HUGE holes and inconsistencies in frequency response. In their top-of-the-line AM-15, the “subwoofer†(really just a woofer, not a true sub) goes from about 46 Hz to 200 Hz, then the satellites pick up at 280 Hz and go to 13.3 KHz. That’s with a very ragged response curve with variances of +/-10 decibels (clearly audible — most good speakers are within +/-3 db and very good ones vary by 2 db or less) and also leaves a hole from 200 to 280, which is a critical area of midrange, especially for male voices, piano and acoustic bass/guitar!
Some technical background is in order. At 20 Hz, a single sound wave is 57 feet long! (That is why the thud of those lowered Honda Civics playing rap music through dual 15-inch subwoofers seems to go right through your walls.) That wavelength halves logarithmically as the frequency rises, so at about 80 Hz, the sound waves become smaller than the human head. At that point, the human ear can pinpoint the source of sound waves, which means that one will be able to hear voices and music coming from the Bose “sub.†That is why a true subwoofer of any quality will go down to about 25-30 Hz and then hand off to satellite speakers at around 80-90 Hz. Many A/V receivers have built-in crossovers at this point for just that reason. So Bose’s lows are faulty.
Another consideration: a driver of 2.5 inches in diameter is incapable of reproducing neither midbass to that 80-90 Hz threshold, yet is too large to reproduce high-frequency signals (above 10 KHz) effectively either. Bose’s highs are faulty as well.
All of which has led to a saying among audiophiles: “No highs, no lows, must be Bose.â€
It’s important to note that you will read some good reviews and even some outstanding ones — however, they are almost unanimously from magazines in which Bose spends significant advertising dollars. For many magazines, Bose is their largest ad buyer. And they’re not going to risk biting the hand that feeds them! But here are some reviews from more objective sources:
http://www.t3.co.uk/rev_print.asp?rev_id=1792
http://www.graskinhometheatre.bigstep.com/generic.html?pid=9
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/SoundAndVision/FrameSet/0,1670,_sl_SoundAndVision_sl_Article_sl_0_cm_1653_cm_105_2127_1_cm_00,00.html [specs]
http://www.home-entertainment.co.uk/grouptest_read.asp?GroupID=739&ArticleID=741
http://www.homecinemachoice.com/frame.html?http://www.homecinemachoice.com/testbench/SpeakerPackages/Bose/BoseAcoustimass10A.shtmlGeneral information and review sites:
www.audioreview.com
www.audioasylum.comConclusion: Many people buy Bose for two reasons: first, Bose’s huge marketing budget has convinced the general public that they sell a superior and/or high-quality product, when it is in fact neither; and second, many people (particularly women) prefer the small, unobtrusive nature of their sub/satellite speaker sets. Yet there are other products in this price range — and even much less — that are also small and unobtrusive yet absolutely stomp on Bose for sound quality. These include:
-Klipsch Quintet (comes in white; I used two for surrounds at 4943 Chateau Drive [my previous address-Ed.] and was quite pleased with them for a small space. Mounting brackets are integrated for easy installation and placement)
http://dvd.ign.com/hardware/19.html-Definitive Technologies ProCinema 80 (also comes in white. This is the package my Bay Area friend bought when his wife was convinced that Bose was the answer to her aesthetic requirements. They listened to them side-by-side and both agreed that the DefTechs were FAR superior.)
http://www.definitivetech.com/reviews/PrCn80HT.pdf-Paradigm Cinema series
http://www.hometheatersound.com/equipment/paradigm_cinema70.htm-Energy Take 5.2
http://www.audioenz.co.nz/2001/1003.html-JBL NSP-1 (I now use two JBL N24s for my rear speakers. There is an all-weather model that is slightly more expensive and comes in white. Perhaps the best budget deal out there, as the street price is $300-350 for the whole package minus subwoofer. Includes mounting brackets too.)
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/SoundAndVision/Article/Features/priceright0130/priceright0130p06.html-KEF KHT-2005 (suggested retail is pricey, but eBay often has them cheaper. These are my favorites but I’m partial to the warm, smooth, “British†sound, not to mention their very trick UniQ technology)
http://www.homecinemachoice.com/testbench/frame.html?http://www.homecinemachoice.com/testbench/SpeakerPackages/KEF/KEFKHT2005.shtml
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1379747936Feel free to use at will. As the cliche goes, forewarned is forearmed!
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Topic - The Case Against Bose (long) - Dalancroft 10:14:36 09/10/02 (83)
- You are ignoring the psychological aspect - Fred S 07:50:54 09/12/02 (1)
- That's exactly what I did with a friend -- he A-B'd against Bose, and . . . - Dalancroft 08:33:09 09/12/02 (0)
- Re: The Case Against Bose (long) - Red Pill 02:14:43 09/12/02 (2)
- Dude, I've copped to that mistake like 5 times already - Dalancroft 08:34:29 09/12/02 (1)
- I glanced - Red Pill 04:05:37 09/16/02 (0)
- Bose proves 2 things - chuckd55 21:30:21 09/11/02 (0)
- Re: The Case Against Bose (long) - Atexanathome 18:22:17 09/11/02 (0)
- Bose is great! Well, they're OK for what they are.... - alext 14:59:39 09/11/02 (1)
- Bose,systems, especially with Cubes, really are 'orrible. - Dave VH 20:35:29 09/11/02 (0)
- Thanks to all respondents & readers -- two more thoughts - Dalancroft 10:28:20 09/11/02 (2)
- Re: Thanks to all respondents & readers -- two more thoughts - Steve Eddy 12:12:51 09/11/02 (1)
- Yes -- WATCH OUT FOR THAT BUS!!! Whew, close one. - Dalancroft 12:27:52 09/11/02 (0)
- Anyone mention the "T" word yet? (nt) - dpy 07:44:02 09/11/02 (0)
- Bose is good at what it does... - dado5 07:31:28 09/11/02 (2)
- In other words, elevator music - Dalancroft 10:15:37 09/11/02 (1)
- That's about the size of it. - dado5 11:07:57 09/11/02 (0)
- Re: The Case Against Bose (long) - SLL 03:35:17 09/11/02 (0)
- Re: The Case Against Bose (long) - haroo 23:14:24 09/10/02 (0)
- Check your math - Norm Strong 23:00:23 09/10/02 (1)
- Yes, there are two other posts below -- MEA CULPA! - Dalancroft 10:16:30 09/11/02 (0)
- Kool Aid anyone? - Clink 21:18:17 09/10/02 (0)
- Re: The Case Against Bose (long) - Tom Brennan 19:47:27 09/10/02 (2)
- Re: The Case Against Bose (long) - Todd Krieger 22:24:40 09/10/02 (1)
- Re: The Case Against Bose (long) - Tom Brennan 03:41:32 09/11/02 (0)
- This is why I don't like Bose... - audiogatorjim 18:38:10 09/10/02 (0)
- Munch's "Scream" in Audio. - gd 17:09:54 09/10/02 (0)
- So What? - AudioDwebe 16:57:44 09/10/02 (3)
- Took me all of 15 minutes - Dalancroft 10:23:23 09/11/02 (0)
- Re: don't buy 'em then....NT - tuneman 09:03:44 09/11/02 (0)
- That's Kind of How I Feel... - Todd Krieger 23:35:24 09/10/02 (0)
- Thanks, Dalancroft. Good work. - brewthunda 16:42:28 09/10/02 (1)
- Thanks! - Dalancroft 10:24:52 09/11/02 (0)
- B.O.S.E. = Better off somewhere else - Brian Hueske 15:18:00 09/10/02 (8)
- Re: B.O.S.E. = Buy Other Stereo Equipment NT - michael w 03:55:26 09/12/02 (0)
- Re: B.O.S.E. = Better off somewhere else - sam9 16:29:01 09/10/02 (3)
- Ever seen Bose Pro gear? - Brian Hueske 07:20:33 09/11/02 (2)
- Re: Ever seen Bose Pro gear? - Clink 10:51:03 09/11/02 (0)
- You tell 'em Brian! - Dalancroft 10:14:32 09/11/02 (0)
- Thanks for the support. Will look into Totem Dreamcatcher 5.1. - Dalancroft 15:40:08 09/10/02 (2)
- A little large & expensive by comparison - Dalancroft 15:47:57 09/10/02 (1)
- The picture is a little misleading - Brian Hueske 07:24:05 09/11/02 (0)
- Re: The Case Against Bose (long) - G.Nye 14:53:50 09/10/02 (0)
- Why the crusade? - sam9 14:42:05 09/10/02 (0)
- Bose overcharges for miniturization, if you don't require it... - NYNick 14:32:26 09/10/02 (0)
- Re: The Case Against Bose (long) - peter@petercawson.com 14:05:04 09/10/02 (8)
- Agreed, but a tough walk to walk....... - Sordidman 14:43:45 09/10/02 (6)
- funny I thought this was Audio forum - Ponce 15:16:23 09/10/02 (2)
- Hey, I really qualified my statements..... - Sordidman 16:38:44 09/10/02 (1)
- Re: Hey, I really qualified my statements..... - Ponce 13:18:17 09/11/02 (0)
- My goal was as a public service message - Dalancroft 14:58:37 09/10/02 (2)
- Re: My goal was as a public service message - peter@petercawson.com 16:00:34 09/10/02 (1)
- As audiophiles (or, in my case, an enthusiast) isn't it our job to hold a candle to the darkness??? - Dalancroft 10:31:06 09/11/02 (0)
- Agreed! No TV here! (nt) - NYNick 14:25:06 09/10/02 (0)
- Re: The Case Against Bose (long) - Joe Blow 12:35:03 09/10/02 (0)
- Re: The Case Against Bose (long) - mark111 11:57:04 09/10/02 (0)
- compared to what theory.. - Ponce 11:52:52 09/10/02 (6)
- Re: compared to what theory.. - Les Lammers 13:55:30 09/10/02 (1)
- remember the "Curtis Mathis" brand TV's - Ponce 15:03:09 09/10/02 (0)
- Re: compared to what theory.. - kentaja@yahoo.com 12:28:24 09/10/02 (3)
- Re: compared to what theory.. - Les Lammers 13:59:14 09/10/02 (0)
- Not to mention Budweiser, Big Macs, the Gap . . . - Dalancroft 13:11:01 09/10/02 (1)
- I call this the "BBM&M" syndrome - Big Dave 18:27:01 09/11/02 (0)
- What planet are you from... - Frosty 11:14:33 09/10/02 (3)
- Wavelength at 9" is about 1.5 kHz - Big Dave 12:13:43 09/10/02 (1)
- Mea culpa -- as I said, I'm no mathematician - Dalancroft 13:12:33 09/10/02 (0)
- Further proof I'm no mathematician - Dalancroft 11:31:26 09/10/02 (0)
- Re: The Case Against Bose (long) - RAYDOG 10:46:01 09/10/02 (4)
- A thousand bucks for $80-90 in parts & materials? C'mon! - Dalancroft 11:32:58 09/10/02 (2)
- Re: A thousand bucks for $80-90 in parts & materials? C'mon! - sam9 14:47:01 09/10/02 (0)
- Re: A thousand bucks for $80-90 in parts & materials? C'mon! - RAYDOG 11:48:34 09/10/02 (0)
- Re: The Case Against Bose (long) - gary 11:13:17 09/10/02 (0)
- Re: The Case Against Bose (long) - Don T 10:29:48 09/10/02 (11)
- Bose and Demographics - Todd Krieger 17:13:15 09/10/02 (1)
- Re: Bose and Demographics - Don T 08:27:48 09/11/02 (0)
- Re: The Case Against Bose (long) - Les Lammers 11:01:41 09/10/02 (8)
- Re: The Case Against Bose (long) - Les Lammers 13:42:17 09/10/02 (0)
- If you're a movie buff . . . - Dalancroft 11:51:08 09/10/02 (5)
- Your right, I wouldn't want a 57" set either... - DaveInVA 14:04:32 09/10/02 (0)
- I wouldn't give you $10 for it - Dave Pogue 12:48:22 09/10/02 (3)
- What are YOU watching? - Dalancroft 13:11:37 09/10/02 (2)
- Glowing tubes - Dave Pogue 05:14:08 09/11/02 (1)
- I do both -- almost exactly 50/50 - Dalancroft 10:34:32 09/11/02 (0)
- well said (nt) - Ponce 11:41:16 09/10/02 (0)