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In Reply to: Re: Why would pointing out your inattention "step on my id"? posted by Ozzie on December 11, 2006 at 20:08:25:
Desirable, but not necessarily a guarantee to perfect sound.True, but definitely more than just "that second harmonic thing".
When you choose to replace that hand me down Threshold, please do look me up.
Ok, but I'm rather attached to that amp. Bought it new in March 1981. Recently recapped the Mallory electrolytics to give the amp another quarter century of life.
Congratulations, with no equalization whatsoever you have achieved what no audiophile alive has ever achieved. +/- 1.5 from 30 - 200 Hz is unheard of. I guess you have defeated the laws of physics.
My results were measured with Radio Shack SPL meter, Stereophile Test CD using correction file for meter. Final result after about 25 different trials of ten samples each with varying speaker and listening couch positions, bass control on Sound Lab backplate (that is EQ), and bass trap placement. Indeed response at 20 hz is more than 10 db down. You'll notice I haven't been as successful with my other two systems. With those in non-dedicated spaces, speaker placement choices are extremely limited and there are few, if any room treatments.
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Topic - Has anybody here ever bought a piece of equipment solely from it's measured specs? - Ozzie 06:34:51 12/5/06 ( 231)
- Re: Has anybody here ever bought a piece of equipment solely from it's measured specs? - hahax@verizon.net 09:12:52 12/10/06 ( 0)
Sure, why not? I have never auditioned a single component before purchase. - Garth 00:31:00 12/8/06 ( 0)
DB Systems DBR-15B preamp and DB-4B head amp - Atexanathome 18:38:05 12/7/06 ( 0)
Yes - Stale 16:43:35 12/6/06 ( 0)
Yep, test gear... - Thomas Martens 13:53:04 12/6/06 ( 0)
Yes - E-Stat 11:40:53 12/6/06 ( 0)
How else could anyone buy wires? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:12:21 12/6/06 ( 110)
- Richard: Ever tried to ascertain from dealer . . . - goldenthal 13:42:41 12/9/06 ( 1)
- Re: Richard: Ever tried to ascertain from dealer . . . - Ozzie 19:16:17 12/11/06 ( 0)
Are you unfamiliar with J. Risch's controlled blind listening - bjh 05:00:19 12/9/06 ( 6)
- Risch claims are so far beyond anyone else's experiences that it's obvious he's lying. Do you believe ANYTHING claimed? - Richard BassNut Greene 10:17:30 12/9/06 ( 5)
- Ah, the real Mr. Nut! Not just amphibian, swims and breaths in MUD! nt - bjh 11:23:25 12/9/06 ( 4)
- LOL! Has the Nut ever had an AES paper on his work printed?...(nt) - mkuller 11:46:13 12/9/06 ( 3)
- The paper was common sense advice on how to listen when comparing components - Richard BassNut Greene 12:29:37 12/9/06 ( 0)
- Well I heard he delivering the Keynote for LLPOFCOA this year. - bjh 11:56:10 12/9/06 ( 1)
- I don't mind being insulted when it's funny and this post was funny - Richard BassNut Greene 12:37:51 12/9/06 ( 0)
A modest proposal: - regmac 07:46:03 12/7/06 ( 42)
- bjh and Mikey both live in killer music towns. - Ozzie 12:54:49 12/7/06 ( 0)
You're missing the point - or is it the boat... - mkuller 10:58:39 12/7/06 ( 40)
- Mekey, I'd rather be listening... - Ozzie 19:22:35 12/11/06 ( 2)
- So when are you bringing some over?...(nt) - mkuller 15:58:25 12/13/06 ( 1)
- Re: So when are you bringing some over?...(nt) - Ozzie 16:07:10 12/13/06 ( 0)
You're only "point" = (If I am not happy with the test results, then the test was an "amatuer DBT" ) ! - Richard BassNut Greene 10:25:05 12/9/06 ( 0)
Re: You're missing the point - or is it the boat... - regmac 14:22:13 12/7/06 ( 20)
- Re: You're missing the boat... - mkuller 17:04:44 12/7/06 ( 19)
- The boat... - Ozzie 19:35:17 12/11/06 ( 2)
- Ok, cable differences... - mkuller 16:06:09 12/13/06 ( 1)
- Re: Ok, cable differences... - Ozzie 15:17:51 12/14/06 ( 0)
- Re: You're missing the boat... - regmac 18:23:39 12/7/06 ( 15)
- Evidence... - mkuller 20:09:52 12/7/06 ( 14)
- Grasping at straws, MKULLER? - regmac 09:50:48 12/8/06 ( 13)
- Re: Grasping at straws, MKULLER? - Pat D 18:15:21 12/8/06 ( 7)
- Oh PatD, now you're telling little fibs... - mkuller 10:26:59 12/9/06 ( 5)
- Very careless use of quotation marks, but they were meant to indicate what you do and were not a direct quote. - Pat D 15:08:46 12/9/06 ( 4)
- Caught in the act ... now blabbing like an IDIOT. What else is new? nt - bjh 15:40:52 12/9/06 ( 3)
- An ad hominem argument is still a fallacy whether it is true or not. - Pat D 19:45:46 12/9/06 ( 2)
- STFU! Oh that was rude. I forgive myself. All better. ROTFLMFAO nt - bjh 06:56:30 12/10/06 ( 1)
- Yes, that was rude but not an ad hominem argument. - Pat D 10:18:25 12/10/06 ( 0)
- Seems unlikely Pat-D-cake! - bjh 06:14:12 12/9/06 ( 0)
- Are you calling JJ a liar? He's very sensitive about that I'll have you know! - bjh 11:16:25 12/8/06 ( 3)
- Regmac is an honest man--no need to chastise him. - Pat D 18:17:00 12/8/06 ( 2)
- Since you are dishonest above about me, therefore...(nt) - mkuller 11:11:51 12/9/06 ( 1)
- An ad hominem argument is still a fallacy whether it is true or not. - Pat D 15:14:46 12/9/06 ( 0)
- Right - your little test would have been MUCH more definitive...(nt) - mkuller 10:02:15 12/8/06 ( 0)
The power of disbelief and preconceived notions. - Bruce Kendall 11:37:09 12/7/06 ( 14)
- Chicken or egg? - mkuller 12:03:20 12/7/06 ( 13)
- Re: Chicken or egg? - Ozzie 13:00:23 12/7/06 ( 2)
- We are all subjectivists - Sordidman 13:21:45 12/7/06 ( 0)
- As an audiophile... - mkuller 13:11:07 12/7/06 ( 0)
As for mysteries ... - bjh 12:24:25 12/7/06 ( 9)
- Re: As for mysteries ... - Ozzie 13:06:08 12/7/06 ( 0)
That is because those who don't think cables make a difference - Bruce Kendall 12:41:14 12/7/06 ( 6)
- Re: That is because those who don't think cables make a difference - Ozzie 13:16:37 12/7/06 ( 5)
- Shows... - mkuller 17:08:32 12/7/06 ( 2)
- Re: Shows... - Ozzie 10:48:25 12/11/06 ( 1)
- Music at the shows... - mkuller 16:26:59 12/13/06 ( 0)
- You're built too low, the fast ones are flying over your head! - Bruce Kendall 13:32:47 12/7/06 ( 1)
- Re: You're built too low, the fast ones are flying over your head! - Ozzie 10:55:05 12/11/06 ( 0)
Re: As for mysteries ... - kerr 12:35:11 12/7/06 ( 0)
Please don't make an... - mkuller 17:21:06 12/6/06 ( 10)
- Better read more carefully. - Pat D 20:21:07 12/6/06 ( 9)
- Actually, the qualifier used... - robert young 09:06:56 12/7/06 ( 8)
- Re: Actually, the qualifier used... - Pat D 12:54:54 12/7/06 ( 7)
- And those "conditions" are... - robert young 13:39:12 12/7/06 ( 4)
- Not proven doesn't imply does not happen. - Pat D 16:01:24 12/7/06 ( 3)
- *sigh* I don't need to prove it, Pat. - robert young 08:40:31 12/8/06 ( 2)
- Pardon me, then. - Pat D 17:49:32 12/8/06 ( 1)
- I completely agree...(nt) - robert young 18:50:35 12/8/06 ( 0)
- So you're saying Mr. Nut is just wrong - we agree...(nt) - mkuller 13:04:24 12/7/06 ( 1)
- Nope. You need to learn about universal and particular propositions [ "every" and "some"]. - Pat D 13:21:48 12/7/06 ( 0)
Re: How else could anyone buy wires? - bjh 10:34:40 12/6/06 ( 19)
- Your alleged "evidence" that wires have audible differences is so pitiful a judge would throw you out of court! - Richard BassNut Greene 12:08:59 12/6/06 ( 12)
- First this "expected" false positives is complete and utter BS! I won't even waste my time! - bjh 13:10:55 12/6/06 ( 11)
- Wow, 7 paragraphs of wasted time? - Ozzie 06:43:57 12/7/06 ( 0)
- Well, if you look in more detail at the report on the DBT in Stereophile for July 1989 - Pat D 14:28:42 12/6/06 ( 9)
- Pat, the point is that the test taken as a whole produced - bjh 15:41:41 12/6/06 ( 8)
- Tests are for individuals to better understand what they really hear -- you don't average the results - Richard BassNut Greene 11:41:32 12/7/06 ( 0)
- The tests showed a positive result. Why continue to whine about it? - Pat D 19:38:59 12/6/06 ( 6)
- Re: The tests showed a positive result. Why continue to whine about it? - regmac 07:56:00 12/7/06 ( 3)
- Re: The tests showed a positive result. Why continue to whine about it? - Pat D 08:16:59 12/7/06 ( 2)
- Re: Thanks for the link -nt - theaudiohobby 14:47:48 12/8/06 ( 1)
- You're most welcome! (nt) - Pat D 17:47:56 12/8/06 ( 0)
- This so reminds me of past exchanges and - bjh 21:04:12 12/6/06 ( 1)
- Re: This so reminds me of past exchanges and - Pat D 13:06:48 12/7/06 ( 0)
Re: How else could anyone buy wires? - Ozzie 10:59:30 12/6/06 ( 5)
- You don't read very well do you. - bjh 11:10:29 12/6/06 ( 4)
- I took it in another direction. - Ozzie 07:01:19 12/7/06 ( 0)
- Maybe so, but you don't think very well do you? ... It was a wire compared with itself, not two different wires! - Richard BassNut Greene 12:12:20 12/6/06 ( 2)
- "A wire connected as the manufacturer recommended versus THE SAME WIRE connected improperly" !!!! WOW !!!! .... - bjh 12:35:32 12/6/06 ( 1)
- Maybe the wire sounded awful both ways it was connected? - Richard BassNut Greene 11:43:46 12/7/06 ( 0)
Re: How else could anyone buy wires? - Sordidman 09:29:08 12/6/06 ( 7)
- To refute my statement it would help to address the statement in your post (vs. blathering about Italy & Winona Ryder - Richard BassNut Greene 12:20:39 12/6/06 ( 6)
- S-alright there RBNG..... - Sordidman 17:34:33 12/6/06 ( 0)
- Ever wonder why someone hasn't proven it to your satisfaction? - Bruce Kendall 12:48:34 12/6/06 ( 3)
- Re: Ever wonder why someone hasn't proven it to your satisfaction? - Ozzie 10:53:42 12/7/06 ( 0)
- dozens of companies who manufacture and sell cables and wires for audio use continue to thrive - GTF 05:36:08 12/7/06 ( 1)
- Wow! There is an apples to apples comparison! - Bruce Kendall 10:44:27 12/7/06 ( 0)
I may be an audio subjectivist, but... - kerr 12:25:22 12/6/06 ( 0)
Since when do audiophile cable... - mkuller 09:18:39 12/6/06 ( 18)
- Well I finally agree with you. The wire "price spec" is by far the most important number of all. - Richard BassNut Greene 12:26:39 12/6/06 ( 0)
Some do - E-Stat 11:09:41 12/6/06 ( 16)
- Re: Some do - Ozzie 10:58:14 12/7/06 ( 12)
- I was talking about speaker cables - E-Stat 11:38:05 12/7/06 ( 11)
- I'll give you that second harmonic thing. - Ozzie 12:56:54 12/7/06 ( 8)
- And greater inherent device linearity - E-Stat 13:01:48 12/7/06 ( 7)
- I listen to Nelson's best stuff on a regular basis thank you. - Ozzie 14:32:45 12/7/06 ( 6)
- Need to work on the speed reading skills - E-Stat 15:41:10 12/7/06 ( 5)
- Re: Need to work on the speed reading skills - Ozzie 11:08:41 12/11/06 ( 4)
- Why would pointing out your inattention "step on my id"? - E-Stat 15:59:17 12/11/06 ( 3)
- Re: Why would pointing out your inattention "step on my id"? - Ozzie 20:08:25 12/11/06 ( 2)
- More... - E-Stat 12/12/06 05:57:48 12/12/06 ( 1)
- But I should add... - E-Stat 08:53:43 12/12/06 ( 0)
- "Nope" LOL ... It never ends! LOL nt - bjh 11:40:34 12/7/06 ( 1)
- I didn't bother to ask - E-Stat 11:48:12 12/7/06 ( 0)
But to what end? - Steve Eddy 12:03:08 12/6/06 ( 2)
- Coming from a cable manufacturer... - Ozzie 11:00:39 12/7/06 ( 0)
That wasn't the question I was answering :) - E-Stat 13:31:22 12/6/06 ( 0)
I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - KlausR. 02:04:35 12/6/06 ( 44)
- Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - regmac 08:09:34 12/7/06 ( 1)
- Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - kerr 08:46:43 12/7/06 ( 0)
Hmmm. - Stale 19:25:35 12/6/06 ( 6) Just give it a 2nd thought... - KlausR. 01:59:59 12/7/06 ( 3)
- I got it. - Stale 10:24:32 12/7/06 ( 2)
- Re: I got it. - Pat D 18:23:30 12/8/06 ( 1)
- Re: I got it. - Stale 20:42:13 12/8/06 ( 0)
Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - Steve Eddy 09:37:42 12/6/06 ( 4)
- Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - KlausR. 22:25:42 12/6/06 ( 1)
- Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - Steve Eddy 00:59:08 12/7/06 ( 0)
Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - Dan Banquer 16:40:34 12/6/06 ( 1)
- Quite so! nt - markrohr 14:06:09 12/7/06 ( 0)
Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - kerr 04:46:39 12/6/06 ( 11)
- Re: you're getting less than what you really want - KlausR. 06:41:36 12/6/06 ( 10)
- It's great that you believe that you've achieved certainty - Sordidman 09:19:25 12/6/06 ( 9)
- Please don't put words into my mouth!! - KlausR. 00:10:25 12/7/06 ( 4)
- You said what you said....... - Sordidman 09:23:08 12/7/06 ( 1)
- Re: You said what you said....... - KlausR. 00:49:37 12/8/06 ( 0)
- Re: Please don't put words into my mouth!! - morricab 02:33:55 12/7/06 ( 1)
- Did you get my mail? - KlausR. 04:17:13 12/7/06 ( 0)
- And just WHAT in Klaus's post brought on your diatribe? - Pat D 12:54:56 12/6/06 ( 3)
- Re: And just WHAT in Klaus's post brought on your diatribe? - Sordidman 16:31:35 12/6/06 ( 2)
- Re: And just WHAT in Klaus's post brought on your diatribe? - Pat D 19:48:38 12/6/06 ( 1)
- It wasn't a diatribe and the implication in his post brought that response -t - Sordidman 11:33:38 12/7/06 ( 0)
Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - Ozzy 04:07:33 12/6/06 ( 5)
- Audio is actually not my hobby... - KlausR. 06:29:31 12/6/06 ( 4)
- Which you refuse to tell anyone what it is -t - Sordidman 10:12:07 12/6/06 ( 3)
- Why don't you look in Inmate Systems, silly?!! - Pat D 13:02:38 12/6/06 ( 2)
- Yeah, - my bad, - excuse me...... -t - Sordidman 16:16:37 12/6/06 ( 0)
- Perhaps he mistook KlausR. for so other "objectivist" that doesn't list a system. Those "objectivists" are so - bjh 13:23:48 12/6/06 ( 0)
Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - morricab 03:02:31 12/6/06 ( 11)
- Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - Ozzie 08:37:26 12/6/06 ( 2)
- Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - morricab 02:49:43 12/7/06 ( 1)
- Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - Ozzie 11:12:00 12/7/06 ( 0)
Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - KlausR. 04:37:58 12/6/06 ( 7)
- Re: I didn't know I had a ghostwriter! - morricab 07:31:21 12/6/06 ( 4)
- OMG! Maybe a battle of the Titans!! - Pat D 14:36:51 12/6/06 ( 3)
- Re: OMG! Maybe a battle of the Titans!! - morricab 02:52:44 12/7/06 ( 1)
- Re: OMG! Maybe a battle of the Titans!! - Pat D 12:45:17 12/7/06 ( 0)
- "I think you'd probably like his system" It's got great specs. after all! LOL nt - bjh 15:19:10 12/6/06 ( 0)
I guess that explains just about everything :) - E-Stat 07:11:31 12/6/06 ( 1)
- Re: I guess that explains just about everything :) - morricab 07:37:00 12/6/06 ( 0)
Believe it or not someone is on record here at the AA stating: - bjh 12:19:37 12/5/06 ( 47)
- One only? - Stale 16:42:48 12/6/06 ( 0)
Teething problems? - KlausR. 21:56:26 12/5/06 ( 0)
Sounds like SM to me - E-Stat 19:50:06 12/5/06 ( 0)
Re: Believe it or not someone is on record here at the AA stating: - TomLarson 13:46:42 12/5/06 ( 5)
- Perfectly reasonable, considering the basic Objectivist POV - kerr 04:39:13 12/6/06 ( 0)
OK, 'half-wit' then! I see no reason to be difficult. ;) nt - bjh 15:14:43 12/5/06 ( 3)
- No reason to be here. - Ozzie 08:48:31 12/6/06 ( 1)
- Re: No reason to be here. - bjh 10:13:08 12/6/06 ( 0)
Re: OK, 'half-wit' then! I see no reason to be difficult. ;) nt - TomLarson 16:15:36 12/5/06 ( 0)
I will guess... - mkuller 13:15:16 12/5/06 ( 0)
Re: Believe it or not someone is on record here at the AA stating: - Steve Eddy 12:40:13 12/5/06 ( 4)
- Who? *****, or *****? -t - Bruce Kendall 13:05:12 12/5/06 ( 3)
- Oh. It's *****, not *****. Sorry for the confusion. nt - Steve Eddy 14:30:56 12/5/06 ( 2)
- I just knew it. -t - Bruce Kendall 14:35:22 12/5/06 ( 1)
- Was a complete surprise to me. nt - Steve Eddy 14:57:57 12/5/06 ( 0)
"Let's play ... Name the Idiot! " - Richard BassNut Greene 12:23:14 12/5/06 ( 31)
- Nope, but here's a hint ... it's the - bjh 12:35:20 12/5/06 ( 27)
- KlausR - kerr 12:37:46 12/5/06 ( 26)
- We all are. - Ozzie 08:51:03 12/6/06 ( 2)
- Heh, heh! - kerr 09:46:15 12/6/06 ( 1)
- Re: Heh, heh! - Ozzie 11:00:25 12/6/06 ( 0)
- No way! Did he really!!?? Go on!, I was just making it up! Impossible! Come on, you're kidding, right? nt - bjh 12:48:09 12/5/06 ( 22)
- It's not something I'll soon forget - kerr 12:59:20 12/5/06 ( 21)
- Re: that perfect preamp he raves about - KlausR. 03:08:00 12/6/06 ( 20)
- Re: that perfect preamp he raves about - kerr 04:35:20 12/6/06 ( 19)
- Re: that perfect preamp he raves about - Ozzie 08:53:14 12/6/06 ( 15)
- Do Tell! - kerr 09:42:52 12/6/06 ( 14)
- Re: Do Tell! - morricab 02:57:16 12/7/06 ( 2)
- Re: Do Tell! - kerr 04:43:30 12/7/06 ( 1)
- Re: Do Tell! - morricab 06:55:25 12/7/06 ( 0)
- Please email me off line. - Ozzie 11:04:30 12/6/06 ( 10)
- Why so stingy? ... if you know of some giant killer then let it out! - bjh 11:22:40 12/6/06 ( 9)
- Re: Why so stingy? ... if you know of some giant killer then let it out! - Ozzie 11:09:13 12/7/06 ( 8)
- "People are not allowed to sell on these pages. Nor am I a salesman." - bjh 11:16:33 12/7/06 ( 7)
- Looking for a new faceplate? - Ozzie 14:43:30 12/7/06 ( 6)
- Another P.S. - bjh 07:26:15 12/8/06 ( 0)
- Oh little one, here on the AA likely 1000s of product recommendations - bjh 03:54:18 12/8/06 ( 4)
- Re: Oh little one, here on the AA likely 1000s of product recommendations - Ozzie 11:18:35 12/11/06 ( 3)
- A little deep thought on the significance of your disapproval of my choices .... Hmmmmm ... - bjh 16:54:43 12/12/06 ( 2)
- The only deep thought out of you is your creative insults. - Ozzie 06:44:20 12/13/06 ( 1)
- Yaaaaaaaaaaawn nt - bjh 06:57:44 12/13/06 ( 0)
- Perfect.Period. - KlausR. 05:30:59 12/6/06 ( 2)
- Re: Perfect.Period. - morricab 07:35:55 12/6/06 ( 1)
- Only features, indeed. - KlausR. 10:24:47 12/6/06 ( 0)
Sorry I now realize I mis-read the bjh post ... - Richard BassNut Greene 12:32:47 12/5/06 ( 2)
- Hey, try a Bedini Clarifier to "clarify" your brain & eliminate your typical type-first-read-later character attack post - bjh 13:27:19 12/5/06 ( 1)
- Hey you made a joke instead of taking audio so seriously! - Richard BassNut Greene 07:55:52 12/6/06 ( 0)
Try posting this on Prop Head - more rigid objectivists there...(nt) - mkuller 11:40:51 12/5/06 ( 0)
Re: Has anybody here ever bought a piece of equipment solely from it's measured specs? - Pat D 11:36:29 12/5/06 ( 0)
Can we add one small phrase? - kerr 09:57:37 12/5/06 ( 4)
- Maybe I should rephrase the question. - Ozzie 11:12:18 12/5/06 ( 3)
- I appreciate your zeal. Apparently there is a need somewhere for someone to carry that banner. - Bruce Kendall 11:20:02 12/5/06 ( 2)
- Re: I appreciate your zeal. Apparently there is a need somewhere for someone to carry that banner. - Ozzie 19:09:45 12/11/06 ( 0)
- It's never gonna stop Bruce - Sordidman 15:53:19 12/5/06 ( 0)
As A Former Stereo Review Reader, Of Course! - Luminator 09:57:06 12/5/06 ( 7)
- Re: As A Former Stereo Review Reader, Of Course! - Ozzie 11:29:27 12/5/06 ( 0)
Re: As A Former Stereo Review Reader, Of Course! - Pat D 10:45:29 12/5/06 ( 5)
- Re: As A Former Stereo Review Reader, Of Course! - Ozzie 11:16:45 12/5/06 ( 4)
- Re: As A Former Stereo Review Reader, Of Course! - Pat D 11:26:50 12/5/06 ( 3)
- julian - hifitommy 18:30:41 12/5/06 ( 2)
- Re: julian - Pat D 06:27:56 12/6/06 ( 1)
- a speaker has its fans - hifitommy 19:49:49 12/6/06 ( 0)
Where do you find measured specs without a review? - Ted Smith 08:26:12 12/5/06 ( 1)
- You got me there Tedster... - Ozzie 10:20:57 12/5/06 ( 0)
Re: Has anybody here ever bought a piece of equipment solely from it's measured specs? - Srajan Ebaen 07:34:42 12/5/06 ( 3)
- That makes total sense to me. - Bruce Kendall 13:58:41 12/5/06 ( 0)
Oh, God! :) - kerr 12:40:37 12/5/06 ( 0)
You're killing me. - Ozzie 08:20:48 12/5/06 ( 0)